Jay-Z Involved In Basketball Decisions for the Nets?

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Wow. This whole "Brooklyn" thing is so overrated and becoming really annoying. So what if JayZ made a pitch to Melo and LeBron and whomever. He's probably no better and evaluator of talent than any of us here.

And if this article is trying to suggest that because he makes sales pitches or shows up in locker rooms that he's somehow a great basketball mind..then the Nets are screwed.

I'm cool with him being passionate about where he's from and his ownership.

But..sit in the luxury suites and call it a day.

The Nets are setting themselves up for utter disappointment by trying to showcase a move (that's all it is folks) from across a river.

Build your team and players will gravitate there in time and willingly.

But this whole Brooklyn thing is overkill.

That's ALL he does.

So why have a GM if your owners are going to make the basketball decisions that affect the roster? Yes, in the business world that's why companies hire managers and directors to make decisions for different parts of the corporation. BUT the owners will have to trust the decisions of their manager in order to make it successful.

Now I can understand your point on Cuban. I think he's keeping the Mavs from being legit title contenders instead of being pretenders. Buss on the other hand learned his lesson and I'm pretty sure he doesn't interfere with Kupchak's decisions after the two butted heads on whether to trade Kobe or not back in 2007. Buss was looking for the best deal and Kupchak convinced Buss to keep him. Since then, Buss would be a fool to overturn his moves.

Not sure about the Gilbert situation. BUT the point is when the owners start meddling with the team like they're playing in a Fantasy Basketball League, then that's where you have issues. King said in the article that he emails Jay on 'What about this guy?' Why are you even asking him? Just tell him, 'I want to get this guy!' and be done with it.

Well, technically he is part-Owner of the team so me personally don't see anything wrong with that. But that's moreso because we know for a fact he WON'T say no to any move we make and if he really were saying no to moves, we wouldn't be stuck with Travis OutLMAO for the next 4 years.

[King_B_Mack]

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Like I said, Jay-Z is not anywhere near Cuban as a business man. You can all go crazy over it if you like, I'm not backing off that statement. Running a record label, a clothing line and clubs isn't exactly "WOW WHAT A BUSINESS MAN!" to me.

Really OSU? Really? I guess Richard Branson is a pile of crap then. Def Jam isn't just some rinky dink record label, Rocawear isn't just some JC Penny line of clothing, I mean...just wow at this whole thing man.

[Dice]

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Yes I am. One, this interview is dated in March 2011. Most of the Bynum trade talk (with the exception of the Melo trade rumor) took place before the Gasol trade. Two, it was well known within Lakers circles that when Bynum was rumored to be traded for guys like Kidd, that Mitch wanted to do it but the Buss family would not approve a Bynum deal.

Three, if you want to find a way to get fired, the quickest way is to go to the press and say "I want to trade Bynum but Buss wont let me". You always present a united front before the press. Look at the Melo deal. Its well known that the Knicks GM did not want to give up as much as NY did for Melo and that Dolan forced that deal. Have you seen Donnie Walsh comment on the deal? Have you seen Walsh say "I didnt agree with how much we gave up"? No because he wants to keep his job.

Not saying that Kupchak and Buss didn't have their disagreements with basketball decisions. I'm saying, after the Kobe Bryant situation in 2007, Buss hasn't went against Kupchak's decision since that time.

And as far as asking for approval and 'What should I do' is two different things. I work in the IT field and if someone put a computer in my face and told me, 'The PC will not turn on' wouldn't it be strange if I told my manager 'What should I do?' compared to asking my manager 'Can you approve an order for a power supply?' How much confidence would my manager have in me if I wasn't properly doing my job in troubleshooting the issue? And even if I didn't know what was the problem, instincts would tell me to ask a fellow co-worker, research the Internet or call the vendor.

Management is there to overlook your work and not DO YOUR WORK. GM's are the ones who come up with the ideas and trade scenarios and they are suppose to convince the owners how great of an idea it is.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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So if Billy King lying in the article?

He says he sends him emails, which again I don't see why that's even an issue considering he is part-Owner of the team, but he's nothing more than a Yes Man.

In other words, he didn't say anything that most of us didn't already know by now. He and his little 1-3% are along for the ride just like the rest of us are, so for anyone to say "well it looks like he'll be trading Deron Williams for a fresh Rocawear Chain", in the words of The Miz:

"Really? Really? Really??"

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Not saying that Kupchak and Buss didn't have their disagreements with basketball decisions. I'm saying, after the Kobe Bryant situation in 2007, Buss hasn't went against Kupchak's decision since that time.

And as far as asking for approval and 'What should I do' is two different things. I work in the IT field and if someone put a computer in my face and told me, 'The PC will not turn on' wouldn't it be strange if I told my manager 'What should I do?' compared to asking my manager 'Can you approve an order for a power supply?' How much confidence would my manager have in me if I wasn't properly doing my job in troubleshooting the issue? And even if I didn't know what was the problem, instincts would tell me to ask a fellow co-worker, research the Internet or call the vendor.

Management is there to overlook your work and not DO YOUR WORK. GM's are the ones who come up with the ideas and trade scenarios and they are suppose to convince the owners how great of an idea it is.

And this is what King does to The Russian since HIS voice is the ONLY one that matters, not his AND Mr. Carter's.

[Dice]

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"well it looks like he'll be trading Deron Williams for a fresh Rocawear Chain"

I got your point. BUT that was too hilarious!

[wwharton]

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Like I said, Jay-Z is not anywhere near Cuban as a business man. You can all go crazy over it if you like, I'm not backing off that statement. Running a record label, a clothing line and clubs isn't exactly "WOW WHAT A BUSINESS MAN!" to me.

I HAVE to call you out on this, especially since you know I'm no teenager in awe of the great legacy of Jigga. You should know better, OSU. You admitted to not only knowing little about Jay Z but not caring to know so that invalidates your entire argument to begin with. But this discussion isn't even about rap music or music at all. You said it's not like Jay Z got where he is by being a business man when that's EXACTLY how he's gotten where he is. I said rappers aren't rich bc you don't get rich just making hit songs. The man has some VERY successful businesses. I would say that just bc you don't know them doesn't make them less relevant, but you don't know how Cuban got his money either (the guy you're comparing him to) so you're clearly just spitting venom.

[aholbert32]

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Not saying that Kupchak and Buss didn't have their disagreements with basketball decisions. I'm saying, after the Kobe Bryant situation in 2007, Buss hasn't went against Kupchak's decision since that time.

And as far as asking for approval and 'What should I do' is two different things. I work in the IT field and if someone put a computer in my face and told me, 'The PC will not turn on' wouldn't it be strange if I told my manager 'What should I do?' compared to asking my manager 'Can you approve an order for a power supply?' How much confidence would my manager have in me if I wasn't properly doing my job in troubleshooting the issue? And even if I didn't know what was the problem, instincts would tell me to ask a fellow co-worker, research the Internet or call the vendor.

Management is there to overlook your work and not DO YOUR WORK. GM's are the ones who come up with the ideas and trade scenarios and they are suppose to convince the owners how great of an idea it is.

That analogy doesnt work. The proper analogy is you asking you thinking a new power supply will help your computer and you say to your boss "I think a new power supply would help my computer, should I get one" or "Boss, can you approve a new power supply for me"? Either way you ask if your boss says no......you arent getting a new power supply.

Same with basketball, if I'm King and I ask the Russian "What do you think about Outlaw?" and he says "I hate him". That is a no and I'm probably going to be fired if I sign Outlaw. Its the same as if I ask "Can you approve this contract to sign Outlaw?" and he says "No"

Regarding Buss/Kupchack, the reason Buss has taken a back seat is because Mitch hasnt had to make a tough decision in 4 yrs. The Gasol trade was a gift. The Artest signing only happened because Ariza's agent was an idiot. Every other deal like signing Brown to a 2 yr deal or trading Sasha were small inconsequential deals.

[Dice]

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That analogy doesnt work. The proper analogy is you asking you thinking a new power supply will help your computer and you say to your boss "I think a new power supply would help my computer, should I get one" or "Boss, can you approve a new power supply for me"? Either way you ask if your boss says no......you arent getting a new power supply.

Same with basketball, if I'm King and I ask the Russian "What do you think about Outlaw?" and he says "I hate him". That is a no and I'm probably going to be fired if I sign Outlaw. Its the same as if I ask "Can you approve this contract to sign Outlaw?" and he says "No"

Regarding Buss/Kupchack, the reason Buss has taken a back seat is because Mitch hasnt had to make a tough decision in 4 yrs. The Gasol trade was a gift. The Artest signing only happened because Ariza's agent was an idiot. Every other deal like signing Brown to a 2 yr deal or trading Sasha were small inconsequential deals.

OK, now your twisting my words around. It's not about 'thinking' the computer needs a new power supply, it's about doing my job and going through the troubleshooting steps of 'knowing' that the PC needs a power supply. If I explain that to my manager and he feels I know what I'm doing then 10-times-out-of-10 he's going to approve it. Just like with GM's and owners in the NBA...well...unless your working for Donald Sterling which is another topic.

I don't mind you disagreeing with me on my analogy BUT if your going to critique it please use the words I type.

And as far as Kupchak making a tough decision in 4-years, let's not short change the Ron Artest signing. That was a huge deal for Kupchak because Ariza left first before Artest signed. That was huge because of the big hole they had to fill at the 3-spot. Now, it wasn't a slam dunk that Artest was going to automatically come to the Lakers because Artest was considering on joining LeBron in Cleveland at that time as well.

[OSUFan_88]

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so that invalidates your entire argument to begin with.

Then take it as invalid.

This was my opinion in the first place. You can try to change my mind, but you won't.

And I wish people would stop putting words in my mouth. I didn't call Def Jam's rinky dink or Rocwear a JC Penny line.

I'm just not impressed with his business. That's my opinion.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I don't think anybody was.

People just want you to be accurate with the facts or at least have an idea of what you're talking about.

[NYJets]

Absolute non story. All it said was that jay-z cares about the nets. People are acting like he's running the draft.

[King_B_Mack]

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Then take it as invalid.

This was my opinion in the first place. You can try to change my mind, but you won't.

And I wish people would stop putting words in my mouth. I didn't call Def Jam's rinky dink or Rocwear a JC Penny line.

I'm just not impressed with his business. That's my opinion.

It's probably best to just not even talk about it anymore man and not keeping throwing up the opinion card. You can't use the opinion excuse to argue facts. It's a fact that Jay-Z is a successful businessman. It's a fact that Jay-Z is where he is because he's a businessman. Did you literally say that Def Jam was rinky dink or Rocawear was a JC Penny line? No, but your comments basically implied that's what they were by saying they didn't scream a 'Wow business.' Like I said, Richard Branson is living on a friggin island that he owns off the back of a record label that he started. So turning down your nose at label, clothing line and restaurants/nightclubs as businesses isn't just an opinion that you can say you're not wrong about when someone calls you on it.

[wwharton]

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Then take it as invalid.

This was my opinion in the first place. You can try to change my mind, but you won't.

And I wish people would stop putting words in my mouth. I didn't call Def Jam's rinky dink or Rocwear a JC Penny line.

I'm just not impressed with his business. That's my opinion.

Definitely not trying to change your mind, what you're saying doesn't make sense. It's a fact that Jay Z got where he is by being a business man. You can have an opinion on whether or not you consider where he is as being successful (I think it's crazy not to but you can have that opinion) but he still got there by being a business man, just like everyone else you listed.

I don't think anybody was.

People just want you to be accurate with the facts or at least have an idea of what you're talking about.

yep

[Chrisksaint]

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Jay-Z with the Nets is just a win situation for the Nets imo, publicity/marketing, money, and in the off case he makes a suggestion personnel wise they either just say no or they look into it.