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Re: Western Conference Playoffs - Second Round Discussion Thread
good question....b/c i dont remember it either...Comment
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Re: Western Conference Playoffs - Second Round Discussion Thread
*inside information*
Westbrook's agent was in his ear from the beginning of the season to "go for it" ...take that however you want toEricmaynor3.com
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Re: Western Conference Playoffs - Second Round Discussion Thread
Nope, it's a dude chillin here in the Chi that picked up some hardware and a whole lotta buzz this year that's behind this. My man's said 'dammit I need some of that love.' And thus this monstrosity you see before you was born. Rose and the Bulls struggling thus far in the Postseason was my man's chance to snatch back up that point guard love, especially since CP3 was out there trying to hog it all. Desperate times call for desperate measures.Comment
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Re: Western Conference Playoffs - Second Round Discussion Thread
Rose def has a gap between himself and Westbrook. I've always thought that but I now see the gap is wider than I originally believed.
Westbrook aint even close to put it together upstairs compared to how Rose has.Comment
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That MVP is what made that gap bigger than what it was.#RespectTheCultureComment
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What you mean by that Pack
I think the gap is bigger because Rose has more than two speeds.
Westbrook in the playoffs has shown only two speeds. He tries to go 100 MPH a lot, even in the half court.
Either that or he dribbles the hell out of the ball and then settles for a size up jumper.
That's why I think CP3 is still the ace out of all of them. He has like 10 speeds and can play in transition or the half court.
Charles saying Westbrook had a great game? I don't agree. He had a pretty good game but like I said before I think he could have had a much better game had he just made a couple different decisions with the basketball. Rose seems to have much better control over the flow and pace of the entire game.Comment
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Westbrook had a decent game but it wasn't that much better than how he played on Sunday, so I disagree with Charles as well.
I also know that so far this year, we've seen two different Westbrooks' and one were seeing right now, I have no idea who he is because the old Westbrook wasn't concerned about getting his like he is now. .
For the past 2 years, he was more concerned with setting others up and THEN looking to get his when nothing was open. Now, it's like I said earlier, it's bring the ball up, look to immediately post his man up like he's Deron Williams(for reasons I don't understand)and then jacks up an awful, contested shot that throws off the flow of the Offense and apart me thinks that might ultimately be the downfall of the Thunder this year, if they suffer one.
That being said, before the season you could've made strong cases for both for choosing one over the other and you still probably could although it probably wouldn't be as strong now that Rose has an MVP and the fact that Westbrook hasn't been as impressive as he usually has in the playoffs, where of course everything gets magnified x100.#RespectTheCultureComment
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Re: Western Conference Playoffs - Second Round Discussion Thread
Finally ex.
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Re: Western Conference Playoffs - Second Round Discussion Thread
In responses to you Pack and to the Westbrook topic overall:
1. First, I still think Westbrook isn't that far behind Rose. In terms of what Westbrook has to do to take the next step. As far as what Westbrook has shown of late in the playoffs, he's just doing too much. He's proving exactly why Rose has the edge right now. Dude just needs to settle down and know that he is capable of going different speeds on offense, and that he has the league's leading scorer on the wing.
2. Westbrook is playing in the playoffs for only his second time. I think he's just probing a bit too much and seeing how much of an impact he can really have scoring the ball. He's just doing a bit too much as I said. I think it's fairly clear he should know he can have a much greater positive impact by doing other things than shooting or dribbling the air out of the ball.
3. During the Playoffs things should be magnified. Just IMO. Of course to a point, but none the less it's when things are on the line you see what star players are made out of. His decision making is the clear problem here, I hope coach takes him aside and let's him know what the deal is. They need him to score the ball, but in general leave most of the looks to Durant. Westbrook can still get as much as he wants but after Durant. There needs to be a pecking order especially considering Westbrook is a PG.Comment
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Re: Western Conference Playoffs - Second Round Discussion Thread
What's funny to me is, despite his struggles, Westbrook has outplayed Rose thus far in the playoffs(and that's not counting tonight). Playing stiffer competition none the less. Of course, you wouldn't know this with all of the heat Westbrook has gotten. Just felt that was interesting, especially when people are using Westbrook's playoff performances as evidence to support the notion that Rose is a tier above Russell.
Anyways, Russell was solid tonight. He slowed it down a bit, looked as if he was trying to get other players involved, and he attacked the basket. Also played much better defense against the PnR. There were still times when he got overly excited and chucked up unnecessary shots, but for the most part, he was better.
James Hardin played great. He definitely needs to be logging more minutes. he should be starting at this point, but I digress.
Have to give tons of credit to Ibaka, Perkins, and Collison for clogging the paint and making things tough tonight. Hopefully they can keep it up.Last edited by Bumi; 05-04-2011, 12:34 AM.Comment
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Outplayed in what way?
+3 for Rose on PPG
+2 for Westbrook on RPG
Same APG
+2 for Rose on SPG
+4 EFF for Rose
+1 TO for Westbrook
Both shooting horribly
Difference that can't be defined by stats is Westbrook has lost games with his decision making while Rose has won them. I'm not saying they're far apart but the difference right now is there.
Westbrook IMO is trying too hard to be "the man" when he doesn't have to be.Comment
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I do agree, OKC has played tougher opponents and defenses than Chicago has in terms of the PG position.
But, I think it's clear as day as to the direct comparison of Rose/Westbrook.
I think Westbrook has taken excessive heat from people who expect him to bow down to Durant and curb and change his entire style. That's simply not going to get OKC a title, they need Westbrook to stay ultra aggressive. My thing is Westbrook does need to tone it down a bit and get his guys into more offense.
Even though Rose's shooting percentage is awful, you can see that his feel of the game is at a higher level. It's like he knows the pulse of the game and adjusts accordingly. I don't sense that with Westbrook, instead I see that he tries to force the action a bit too much and basically take it upon himself to do most of the heavy lifting. All I want him to do is reign it in a bit and play a bit more under control with his decision making and speed.
Ultimately Westbrook's physicality and athleticism coupled with his defensive instincts leave him in a very reachable distance to Rose. But to say Rose has been outplayed I can't agree with at all.
In fact if I swap them out directly, I really can't foresee Chicago as being legit as they are with Rose. If Rose came to OKC now that would be even more scary than they are now. But like I said the distance is very reachable.Comment
.... I don't want that as an OKC fan.
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