Carlisle: Nowitzki is "Top 10 Player in NBA History"

[wwharton]

Re: Carlisle: Nowitzki is "Top 10 Player in NBA History"

They would be battling for number 4 in their era behind Shaq, Duncan, and Kobe. That is who I was comparing them to in my intial post. Neither Dirk or KG is top 10 players of all time.

Ok, gotcha. I'd have to think about that one too... guess we'd have to figure out exactly who's in the "era". They're definitely both behind the 3 you listed.

[TheMatrix31]

Re: Carlisle: Nowitzki is "Top 10 Player in NBA History"

That's an interesting one to think about to me too. Lets say the Mavs win the championship this year and then the NBA folds forever. Does ringless Lebron sit above Dirk with a ring? I honestly don't know if I'd say he does.

Not a chance. Dirk would be clear-cut above him, in my opinion. Hell, even without a ring.

[dalnet22]

Re: Carlisle: Nowitzki is "Top 10 Player in NBA History"

He's a lock for the HOF. There's probably 30 other players that are greater than him, though.

Keep in mind the era in which he played.

[ZB9]

Re: Carlisle: Nowitzki is "Top 10 Player in NBA History"

They had a nice little run with Kidd, Mash and Jackson before Tyra Banks screwed that all up. Didn't last for too long though.

lol "nice little run"? The three J's showed some flashes and were fun to watch (especially Kidd), but their werent many good runs when it came to winning games

1998-99
14 and 36
.280

1997-98
20 and 62
.244

1996-97
24 and 58
.293

1995-96
26 wins and 56 losses
.317

and i think it was Tony Braxton, not Tyra Banks?

[Scott812313]

Re: Carlisle: Nowitzki is "Top 10 Player in NBA History"

That's an interesting one to think about to me too. Lets say the Mavs win the championship this year and then the NBA folds forever. Does ringless Lebron sit above Dirk with a ring? I honestly don't know if I'd say he does. In terms of raw talent, there's no question. But putting it all together I may have to give it to Dirk for the ring and the period of time (and the support around him... I don't/didn't expect the Heat to win it this year but if it's the last year we have to go by we have to compare that team to the Mavs and that would make a difference).

You say Dirk and KG would battle for 4? I'm confused bc that would put both in the top 10, no? I'm guessing that's not what you meant bc I think there are others that probably belong above both of them.

Think you meant to say athleticism. Dirk has infinetely more basketball talent than LeBron.

[Court_vision]

Re: Carlisle: Nowitzki is "Top 10 Player in NBA History"

Dirk and KG = even IMO.

Dirk = much better offensive player.

KG = much better defensive player.

It's that simple.

[The15thunter]

Re: Carlisle: Nowitzki is "Top 10 Player in NBA History"

Dirk and KG = even IMO.

Dirk = much better offensive player.

KG = much better defensive player.

It's that simple.

it isn't that simple. basketball is much more than that. you have to measure their effects on teammates, their effects on the game, rebounding, dirk's defense vs. garnett's offense, consistency, sustainability of peak performance, how they perform in the clutch, etc.

[The15thunter]

Re: Carlisle: Nowitzki is "Top 10 Player in NBA History"

Think you meant to say athleticism. Dirk has infinetely more basketball talent than LeBron.

how so? lebron has incredible physical gifts, as you alluded to, but he also has buckets of basketball skill. dirk beats him in shooting and probably post game. that is all.

[wwharton]

Re: Carlisle: Nowitzki is "Top 10 Player in NBA History"

lol "nice little run"? The three J's showed some flashes and were fun to watch (especially Kidd), but their werent many good runs when it came to winning games

1998-99
14 and 36
.280

1997-98
20 and 62
.244

1996-97
24 and 58
.293

1995-96
26 wins and 56 losses
.317

and i think it was Tony Braxton, not Tyra Banks?

Wow, I thought they had at least 1 or 2 playoff runs. You're right though, it was Tony Braxton. Tyra was busy chasing after somebody else back then.

Think you meant to say athleticism. Dirk has infinetely more basketball talent than LeBron.

No I meant raw talent. Dirk's "raw" talent is being somewhat agile at 7 feet. Everything else is learned and hard work.

Don't start trolling about James in this thread.

[Playmakers]

Re: Carlisle: Nowitzki is "Top 10 Player in NBA History"

He is one of the hardest to check in-game. His defense has always been mediocre, and that's half of a game. Winning a title will definitely help him in some eyes, but i'd place him in the top 30. Maybe even top 20 but of course i started watching bball in 1995.

how does a guy who is one of only 5 players in NBA history to avg 25 ppg and 10 rebounds per game in the playoffs only qualify for top 30 in NBA History?

there isn't even 30 players who have put up his type of numbers......

with all do respect to the non-Dirk supporters some of you guys need to give this man his respect finally.

he's been putting up monster numbers for a decade now....he's a sure fire HOF player and right now I think he's one of the top 10-15 players of all time with another good 2-3 years left in him.

[The15thunter]

Re: Carlisle: Nowitzki is "Top 10 Player in NBA History"

how does a guy who is one of only 5 players in NBA history to avg 25 ppg and 10 rebounds per game in the playoffs only qualify for top 30 in NBA History?

there isn't even 30 players who have put up his type of numbers......

with all do respect to the non-Dirk supporters some of you guys need to give this man his respect finally.

he's been putting up monster numbers for a decade now....he's a sure fire HOF player and right now I think he's one of the top 10-15 players of all time with another good 2-3 years left in him.

saying a player is one of the 30 best players to ever play in the nba isn't a knock on him.

[mvspree8]

Re: Carlisle: Nowitzki is "Top 10 Player in NBA History"

how does a guy who is one of only 5 players in NBA history to avg 25 ppg and 10 rebounds per game in the playoffs only qualify for top 30 in NBA History?

there isn't even 30 players who have put up his type of numbers......

with all do respect to the non-Dirk supporters some of you guys need to give this man his respect finally.

he's been putting up monster numbers for a decade now....he's a sure fire HOF player and right now I think he's one of the top 10-15 players of all time with another good 2-3 years left in him.

saying a player is one of the 30 best players to ever play in the nba isn't a knock on him.

Agreed with the second poster.

I'm as big a Mavs fan as you'll ever meet but I know Dirk isn't at a top-10 ever level just yet. I think with another 5 solid years (and hopefully a ring) he'll be closer, but the top 10 is looking pretty tough to crack right now IYAM. I think Kobe'll be there when all's said and done, but Dirk needs one or two rings to get there.

[Scott812313]

Re: Carlisle: Nowitzki is "Top 10 Player in NBA History"

Wow, I thought they had at least 1 or 2 playoff runs. You're right though, it was Tony Braxton. Tyra was busy chasing after somebody else back then.



No I meant raw talent. Dirk's "raw" talent is being somewhat agile at 7 feet. Everything else is learned and hard work.

Don't start trolling about James in this thread.

Giving my opinion on your opinion is not trolling.

[Scott812313]

Re: Carlisle: Nowitzki is "Top 10 Player in NBA History"

Agreed with the second poster.

I'm as big a Mavs fan as you'll ever meet but I know Dirk isn't at a top-10 ever level just yet. I think with another 5 solid years (and hopefully a ring) he'll be closer, but the top 10 is looking pretty tough to crack right now IYAM. I think Kobe'll be there when all's said and done, but Dirk needs one or two rings to get there.

Kobe's been there for a while my man.

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Re: Carlisle: Nowitzki is "Top 10 Player in NBA History"

Giving my opinion on your opinion is not trolling.

When its done in every single thread it is... so keep it up, and dont be surprised if you end up with a yellow card or let alone a ban when you've been told about it already