NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[OSUFan_88]

Plus, the difference between 50 and 53 % of the BRI is only $100 million. I cannot believe that I just said only 100 million. Sad.

[The 24th Letter]

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So who was the dumb*** on the owners side who wouldnt at least agree to park the BRI issues so that system issues could be ironed out?

waste of a day for nothing...

Stern, please dont call in sick again.

[aholbert32]

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So who was the dumb*** on the owners side who wouldnt at least agree to park the BRI issues so that system issues could be ironed out?

waste of a day for nothing...

Stern, please dont call in sick again.

It was the owners probably Paul Allen and the other hawk owners. That for me is the one remaining issue. The takeaway from yesterday's meeting was positive but the owners have a meeting with the full bargaining committee before today's meeting with the union. There is always a chance that the first meeting causes issues with the big one later today.

[Kruza]

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So who was the dumb*** on the owners side who wouldnt at least agree to park the BRI issues so that system issues could be ironed out?

waste of a day for nothing...

Stern, please dont call in sick again.

It was mainly Paul Allen, who aholbert pointed out, and also Spurs owner Peter Holt.

Kruza

[Dice]

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It was the owners probably Paul Allen and the other hawk owners. That for me is the one remaining issue. The takeaway from yesterday's meeting was positive but the owners have a meeting with the full bargaining committee before today's meeting with the union. There is always a chance that the first meeting causes issues with the big one later today.

This is the one I'm keeping an eye on. Let's see if these 'Hawk' owners will stifle the process again.

So let just say, hypothetically, the players agree to the 50/50 BRI with the changes to the system. And let's say the talks fall through, again. Will we continue to look at the player, again, as the ones holding up the whole thing? Or will people still play the 'no leverage' card and continue to admonish the players in this?

I really hope I'm wrong on this but I'm still getting a bad feeling about this. I feel like Bill Murray in 'Groundhog Day' where the same day happens over and over again.

Albert Einstein, "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." Is this the players and owners?

[ProfessaPackMan]

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So let just say, hypothetically, the players agree to the 50/50 BRI with the changes to the system. And let's say the talks fall through, again. Will we continue to look at the player, again, as the ones holding up the whole thing? Or will people still play the 'no leverage' card and continue to admonish the players in this?

At this point, will it really matter though?

This is now the 3rd time they will have gotten together, said "oh we're making progress" and then have it fall apart at the end(which I still think will happen because after all, it is a pattern, right?).

So in other words, if this breaks down again, I'll be right back to screaming, **** the Owners and **** the Players and then follow that up with Go Pack Go, just like I did last time.

And no matter who causes this thing to fall apart again, the players would still have no leverage either, in case people still want to believe they do but I'm not beating that horse again.

[aholbert32]

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This is the one I'm keeping an eye on. Let's see if these 'Hawk' owners will stifle the process again.

So let just say, hypothetically, the players agree to the 50/50 BRI with the changes to the system. And let's say the talks fall through, again. Will we continue to look at the player, again, as the ones holding up the whole thing? Or will people still play the 'no leverage' card and continue to admonish the players in this?

I really hope I'm wrong on this but I'm still getting a bad feeling about this. I feel like Bill Murray in 'Groundhog Day' where the same day happens over and over again.

Albert Einstein, "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." Is this the players and owners?

Thats a silly hypothetical though. If the players agree to 50/50 and the changes to the system the owners want, there is no reason for to fall through. Even playing along with the hypothetical, no one would blame the players if the owners walked away from THAT deal. The owners would be risking the NLRB decision and a huge labor suit because that would be a sign of a bad faith negotiation. Anyway, that hypothetical has like a 1% chance of happening.

One other point I've made is that this is the first time that Stern and Silver have been this optimistic and stated it publicly. Before it was either no comment or stating that there was small movement. All of "making progress" statements have come from unnamed sources.

[Dice]

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At this point, will it really matter though?

This is now the 3rd time they will have gotten together, said "oh we're making progress" and then have it fall apart at the end(which I still think will happen because after all, it is a pattern, right?).

So in other words, if this breaks down again, I'll be right back to screaming, **** the Owners and **** the Players and then follow that up with Go Pack Go, just like I did last time.

And no matter who causes this thing to fall apart again, the players would still have no leverage either, in case people still want to believe they do but I'm not beating that horse again.

But of course, if we get a clear picture of who's holding up the process, I guess it wouldn't matter anymore.

This is just for those who were staunch Pro Owner supporters(not saying you Pack). But of course, those people will play the 'leverage' card again even though the big players in this deal have been the small market owners. But I think it's going to really come to light this time around if this deal doesn't go through.

BUT you know if a deal falls through people on this board is going to go right back to the 'greedy owners', 'greedy players' argument. Or the 'I don't care who's fault, I just want basketball' people, even though a few post back they were smashing the players in this deal. Or the 'Players are the product, so they deserve what they ask for'. Or the 'Owners have a right to make a profit.'

I'm saying this right now, count me out of this thread if this deal falls through this time. I'll be posting in the 'WTF is wrong with NBATV' or arguing with someone like AlexBrady in the 'Are rings really important?' about actual basketball.

[Dice]

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Thats a silly hypothetical though. If the players agree to 50/50 and the changes to the system the owners want, there is no reason for to fall through. Even playing along with the hypothetical, no one would blame the players if the owners walked away from THAT deal. The owners would be risking the NLRB decision and a huge labor suit because that would be a sign of a bad faith negotiation. Anyway, that hypothetical has like a 1% chance of happening.

One other point I've made is that this is the first time that Stern and Silver have been this optimistic and stated it publicly. Before it was either no comment or stating that there was small movement. All of "making progress" statements have come from unnamed sources.

And why would a 'hypothetical' be silly? Just because it has a small chance of happening? That's the point of a hypothetical. To call it silly?

But hey, take it for what it's worth. There have been a lot of silly things happening in this case. The whole thing is silly in-itself. One of the reasons that I thought the NBA wouldn't even go through this is that I thought common sense would prevail. Maybe I'm just naive to think that a bunch of millionaires and billionaire would have enough sense to think this through instead acting crazy and having one side making hollow ultimatums and the other side 'standing united' like they're part of the civil rights movements. Just absolute craziness. BUT I guess this proves that more money doesn't not make you any smarter.

[King_B_Mack]

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Thats a silly hypothetical though. If the players agree to 50/50 and the changes to the system the owners want, there is no reason for to fall through. Even playing along with the hypothetical, no one would blame the players if the owners walked away from THAT deal. The owners would be risking the NLRB decision and a huge labor suit because that would be a sign of a bad faith negotiation. Anyway, that hypothetical has like a 1% chance of happening.

One other point I've made is that this is the first time that Stern and Silver have been this optimistic and stated it publicly. Before it was either no comment or stating that there was small movement. All of "making progress" statements have come from unnamed sources.

Not to take this conversation back down THAT road as we really don't need it. But you KNOW, like I know that if that situation were to occur, there'd be at least one post about how if the players would have taken the 50 two weeks ago (that I'm convinced wasn't a legit offer at this point) we wouldn't be at this point. The players would definitely somehow foot the blame for that scenario too, guaranteed. Let's just hope we don't have to find out.

[cmebfresh]

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IM very positive a deal will get done in a week. everybody seemed happy

[aholbert32]

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Not to take this conversation back down THAT road as we really don't need it. But you KNOW, like I know that if that situation were to occur, there'd be at least one post about how if the players would have taken the 50 two weeks ago (that I'm convinced wasn't a legit offer at this point) we wouldn't be at this point. The players would definitely somehow foot the blame for that scenario too, guaranteed. Let's just hope we don't have to find out.

Maybe there would be one or more posts like that and any person who posted that would be an idiot. I'm sure you could find someone who would post that the players should have accepted the 43% the owners were offering in July.

[TheMatrix31]

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Maybe there would be one or more posts like that and any person who posted that would be an idiot. I'm sure you could find someone who would post that the players should have accepted the 43% the owners were offering in July.

Even I'm not that crazy, haha.

[2907]

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JaredDudley619 Jared Dudley by HowardBeckNYT



Really Encourage about hearing whispers about a deal being close.. Hope both sides can get it done and feel good about it. <s class="hash">#</s>ihavefaith

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[The 24th Letter]

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Omgz he forgot the D!

Man I hope we hear some good news tonight...