NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Barganing Agreement Discussion

Unless the Owners had a change of heart, which I seriously doubt they did, then those meetings at this point are really pointless.

[Dice]

Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Barganing Agreement Discussion

I don't think the owners would waste their time with a meeting just to re-iterate their hard-line stances to the players.

[The 24th Letter]

Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Barganing Agreement Discussion

Unless the Owners had a change of heart, which I seriously doubt they did, then those meetings at this point are really pointless.

What do you mean?

You have meetings to make progress.

Minds have already been changed on some issues, this happens through meetings.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Barganing Agreement Discussion

It's already known that the Owners will not back off their stance of a Hard Cap, so I doubt a week off has made them change their minds and I also doubt meeting without Stern, Fisher and Hunter is going to change it.

The Players know what the Owners want and the Players don't wanna agree to what the Owners want, so what's the point of them meeting again? That's why I said they're pointless at this point.

[The 24th Letter]

Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Barganing Agreement Discussion

again, to work out a deal. lol.

sure theres a point in meeting, thats how a deal gets done.

someone has to/ and will eventually give. every meeting is a step towards that. unless theres a report out there where they said "**** it, we arent having a season...there isnt a pointless meeting they can have.

unless im completely missing your point.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Barganing Agreement Discussion

Meetings in September don't mean **** because nobody's missed anything yet. That's basically what I'm saying.

No progress has been made and no progress is going to get made until the actual threat of games getting missed gets more serious and even then, progress still might not be made.

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I wouldnt call it pointless but somebody has to come in with some serious compromise to make something looks like a season...how u

[aholbert32]

Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Barganing Agreement Discussion

Meetings in September don't mean **** because nobody's missed anything yet. That's basically what I'm saying.

No progress has been made and no progress is going to get made until the actual threat of games getting missed gets more serious and even then, progress still might not be made.

If a deal isn't done by Oct 6....the league will miss games. They only have 2 weeks to agree to a deal, get union and owner approval and draft the agreement. They need to start working toward that this week in order to make that happen. The threat of missing actual games is here.

[Kashanova]

Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Barganing Agreement Discussion

If a deal isn't done by Oct 6....the league will miss games. They only have 2 weeks to agree to a deal, get union and owner approval and draft the agreement. They need to start working toward that this week in order to make that happen. The threat of missing actual games is here.

yeah that and don't they need a free agent period as well?

[RedSceptile]

Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Barganing Agreement Discussion

yeah that and don't they need a free agent period as well?

Think it'd be something similar to what happened in the NFL Kash a shortened free agent period so a blind rush to sign players.

[The 24th Letter]

If a deal isn't done by Oct 6....the league will miss games. They only have 2 weeks to agree to a deal, get union and owner approval and draft the agreement. They need to start working toward that this week in order to make that happen. The threat of missing actual games is here.

Yep, this is what im saying. The threat is very real at this point. Every meeting matters if we want to get this show on the road on time.

[Mintsa]

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Well. They're having a meeting today (supposedly) so will see what comes of it later on this afternoon.....most likely the same old stuff.

- Can't agree on the same major points
- Both sides don't want to miss games
- Both sides need a deal that "makes sense" for them
- blah, blah, blah, blah,

Then they will probably agree to go back and meet in smaller groups like a few weeks ago (if that's not what is happening today ?)

[Dice]

Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Barganing Agreement Discussion

I think it's going to get done. Negotiations like these always get settled at the last minute. So let's not be surprised OR claim gloom and doom if nothing comes out of it. Right now, both sides are just fishing more more concessions. I'm believing that both sides have a basic deal in place and their just trying to get a little more. As most who reported on these meetings, I do think it's just posturing.

Until Stern OFFICIALLY announces cancelled games, then I'm not going to believe that things are turning for the worst. I don't care what these owners and players are feeding the press. BUT at the same time, until Stern announces that them and the players MUTUALLY agree on a CBA, then I'm not going to get too excited.

[aholbert32]

Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Barganing Agreement Discussion

Well. They're having a meeting today (supposedly) so will see what comes of it later on this afternoon.....most likely the same old stuff.

- Can't agree on the same major points
- Both sides don't want to miss games
- Both sides need a deal that "makes sense" for them
- blah, blah, blah, blah,

Then they will probably agree to go back and meet in smaller groups like a few weeks ago (if that's not what is happening today ?)

Dont expect anything to happen today. The lawyers are meeting today and Stern and Hunter wont be there. Tomorrow is the big day. The small groups will be meeting again.

[da ThRONe]

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I think it's going to get done. Negotiations like these always get settled at the last minute. So let's not be surprised OR claim gloom and doom if nothing comes out of it. Right now, both sides are just fishing more more concessions. I'm believing that both sides have a basic deal in place and their just trying to get a little more. As most who reported on these meetings, I do think it's just posturing.

Until Stern OFFICIALLY announces cancelled games, then I'm not going to believe that things are turning for the worst. I don't care what these owners and players are feeding the press. BUT at the same time, until Stern announces that them and the players MUTUALLY agree on a CBA, then I'm not going to get too excited.

I think the two side are too far apart on fundamental things for a last min save. A hard cap would significantly reduce player negotiating power evening signing contracts. There's no way they give without a huge fight. Huge fight equal lost games.