NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

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In fairness. Ive yet to see where anyone has.

And there is definitely more than one horse being beat around here.

What does this have to do with fairness

Do you remember the shorten the season topic

That basically destroyed the 1st CBA sticky we had... thats why we're talking about it in this new one... now he continues to do the same thing, regardless of facts or not

Thats why I said its borderline ridiculous, and I didnt even know about the NFL thread

[aholbert32]

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I know we all want pro hoops back and most of us ASAP, but I can't ignore what I think is right or wrong just because it will lead to the easiest result I want. I was pro-owners with their original system demands. I hope they get a flex cap when all this is donethe and said even though it's not on the table now. But I can't give a pass to the owners if they came into these labor talks looking for a pound of flesh instead of getting a deal done.

You cant be one of the people who "wants pro hoops back" if you want a flex or hard cap. You know as much as anyone else that the union would refuse to agree to that system and it would leave us with no 2011-2012 season.

Ever since I've been a part of this thread I've seen you argue that the players are the ones making all the concessions and that the owners should give something. You also argued that the owners falling back from a their hard cap demand wasnt a concession because they never had that system before. But now you are stating that you are in favor of a hard or flex cap.

My question is how can you have it both ways? The BRI % was going to have to drop in order to guarantee profitability. A hard cap would force changes to guaranteed contracts, would keep the pay ceiling in place, would force a lowering of the MLE and would force the need for an amnesty clause.

The system you are arguing for makes it impossible for the owners to make any concessions.

[aholbert32]

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In fairness. Ive yet to see where anyone has.

And there is definitely more than one horse being beat around here.

I dont think thats true. I for one was very pro flex/hard cap early on but I've come around to the current luxury cap proposal. I was also angry at the owners for their take it or leave it BRI demand a few weeks ago. I'm just less angry because the players strategy placed them in this position.

[The 24th Letter]

What does this have to do with fairness

Do you remember the shorten the season topic

That basically destroyed the 1st CBA sticky we had... thats why we're talking about it in this new one... now he continues to do the same thing, regardless of facts or not

Thats why I said its borderline ridiculous, and I didnt even know about the NFL thread

Huh? Im just assuming you only skimmed through my post...take a look at the second line...or the end of that sentence after "fairness" at least lol

I don't even know how to respond to this man

[King_B_Mack]

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You guys really should lay off Throne. I saw the whole shorten the season fiasco too and that was frustrating as hell, but holding him to that here isn't really needed. I don't think he's trolling and there's a lot of merit to what he's been saying in here cause I've seen it too. The players have been killed in here and had pretty much this entire thing shoved in their laps from the jump. Whenever he's asked why guys are laying it all on the players and just ripping them to shreds on EVERY single thing they've said or done through this for pages at a time on one comment there's been some logical responses and a lot of responses of why he's so butt hurt about the players getting ripped or claims that people have laid into both sides equally when that really wasn't the case and even comments like bkrich's (nothing personal) about no one being anti-player when CLEARLY we have anti-player sentiment in here.

At the end of the day, none of that crap matters cause every single person in here with the exception maybe of Matrix just wants basketball and that should be the end of it. We shouldn't be in here attacking each other over nothing but instead breaking down a regular season that should have tipped off on Tuesday but because of two sides of clowns we're doing this.

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Huh? Im just assuming you only skimmed through my post...take a look at the second line...or the end of that sentence after "fairness" at least lol

I don't even know how to respond to this man

Nah I saw that.. but im saying as I wasn't calling him a troll, he has definitely done this before

King B.. brotha he destroyed a thread with something off topic, and again.. his questions have been answered, time and again.. now tell me why Aaron can't get the same in kind?

When you do things like that it starts to seem like nothing but an agenda

I could care less who the blame is on and im sure most people here don't either, and im sure non of us care about how much money they're going to lose... its the fact that its making them make some of the dumbest decisions right in the middle of the publics eye

There is no anti this or that.. he needs to stop coming in this thread with that stuff... Ive called out that Us vs Them stuff several times in this thread already

[The 24th Letter]

One thing we can all agree on is that both sides are anti fan and pro $

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One thing we can all agree on is that both sides are anti fan and pro $

You aint lying about that

[TheMatrix31]

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That much is true. That's life.

[da ThRONe]

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I want to know why you kept acting butt hurt because you think people arent siding with players, then you yourself playing the victim role because "you're in the minority"

Like I said to all of your questions, they've been answered time and again... Aaron's answers alone would probably cover 2 pages by itself and you continue to say the exact same thing over and over and over

That's why Matrix called it trolling

I just stopped talking to you about it because I've seen you do this before with the whole shorten the season thing... no matter what answer you get you're going to keep going on anyway

The whole shorten the season thing was based off me defending my opinion. I wrote a long drawn out plan of what I thought was fair and best for the game. Yet people choose to call me out on the shorten the season which was one part out of over a dozen. I wasn't derailing the thread by myself. Sure people had the right to question me, but I had the right to answer them.

Some of you speak with a sense of authority when dealing with others opinions, but don't like it when people speak to you in the same tone.

Just like many feel like I'm "missing the point" I could say the same about them. I don't have a problem having people think I'm crazy, but I think it becomes pretty apparent when I'm being singled out. Which is cool with me. However don't make it seem like I'm doing something different than any other person here expressing their views.

[aholbert32]

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Nah I saw that.. but im saying as I wasn't calling him a troll, he has definitely done this before

King B.. brotha he destroyed a thread with something off topic, and again.. his questions have been answered, time and again.. now tell me why Aaron can't get the same in kind?

When you do things like that it starts to seem like nothing but an agenda

I could care less who the blame is on and im sure most people here don't either, and im sure non of us care about how much money they're going to lose... its the fact that its making them make some of the dumbest decisions right in the middle of the publics eye

There is no anti this or that.. he needs to stop coming in this thread with that stuff... Ive called out that Us vs Them stuff several times in this thread already

No I cant get the same in kind. That would require him to defend his position instead of responding with a question or calling someone anti-player.

[TheMatrix31]

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The whole shorten the season thing was based off me defending my opinion. I wrote a long drawn out plan of what I thought was fair and best for the game. Yet people choose to call me out on the shorten the season which was one part out of over a dozen. I wasn't derailing the thread by myself. Sure people had the right to question me, but I had the right to answer them.

Some of you speak with a sense of authority when dealing with others opinions, but don't like it when people speak to you in the same tone.

Just like many feel like I'm "missing the point" I could say the same about them. I don't have a problem having people think I'm crazy, but I think it becomes pretty apparent when I'm being singled out. Which is cool with me. However don't make it seem like I'm doing something different than any other person here expressing their views.

You would say that in the Johnson thread too. That you're being "singled out". You need to stop being so paranoid, or stop having such a persecution complex. Makes you seem like a Laker fan, lol.

[da ThRONe]

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You would say that in the Johnson thread too. That you're being "singled out". You need to stop being so paranoid, or stop having such a persecution complex. Makes you seem like a Laker fan, lol.

Dude I rather you insult my mother!

I was just accused of single handedly derailing a thread. Like I did it by myself. If that isn't being singled out what is?

[aholbert32]

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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/05/sp...tml?ref=sports

Jordan leading a group of owners demanding that the owners hold at 50/50. His group wanted the players BRI to drop to 37%.

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Its happening again

First of all you jump in here calling all of us anti player and saying we are all making personal shots, and I say all of us because you keep doing it without naming who you're talking about

Secondly again, claiming victim status and you're still yet to answer anything Aaron has given you whether its System issues, Legal issues, or whatever it is

Third, YOU derailed the thread about the CBA with shortened season crap because you wouldnt stop no matter how many times people EXPLAINED with vast clarity that nobody is asking for that, nor would it work...and the main point is, IT WAS OFF TOPIC

Then you never answered me why you're acting so butt hurt if someone has a problem with the players as if they just shouldnt... Why are you so emotionally involved about why someone doesnt like the players if they dont (which to my knowledge has only been matrix)

This is not a condescending opinion the matter, you're not answering facts you're tapdancing around them, asking questions for questions, and when it blows up you're claiming minority report

Just stick with the facts and stop bringing in devisive names like anti-player and all of the things that continue to take the discussion off of the CBA