NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[aholbert32]

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Well obviously that's why I said they would make provisions and not provide the players family's themselves.

That would be illegal and contrary to labor laws. Not gonna happen. NFL players were on their own once the NFLPA decertified.

[ScoobySnax]

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I don't think that would fly. You can't receive anything, it wouldn't exist. Any possible provisions would be just pieces of paper that have no legal merit whatsoever.


EDIT: BTW, random, directed to anyone who may know, so then if there is a lost season, does that mean players can file for unemployment? HMMMM..

I'm not sure, but I don't see why they wouldn't be able to. However, it would be a damn shame for them to take our tax dollars when they've raked in millions, but I wouldn't be surprised.

[da ThRONe]

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That would be illegal and contrary to labor laws. Not gonna happen. NFL players were on their own once the NFLPA decertified.

OK. But these guys are worth millions(as of now) finding health benefits should be affordable.

[WTF]

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Some of them are. Just ask Derek Fisher what kind of costs he incurred when his little one was sick. It happens. You don't want to risk not having any sort of coverage, even if you are doing pretty well for yourself. The guys on Rookie Contracts, or minimum contracts... things happen. Jay Williams is a good example. Didn't really get a chance to play before his accident, to collect that kind of money.

If you're a player, do you want to risk that?

[The 24th Letter]

Never going to happen

Of all the things that will change through this deal, I doubt this one of them (it honestly hasn't really been addressed) basketball parity is what it is... Teams will rise/fall through the ranks.

[WTF]

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Just skimmed through again, yeah, they could potentially find health coverage etc on their own. I just don't think the de-cert route is the way that they'll go. Too risky.. it'll guarantee no season.

I think Cohen being there will be the way that a deal gets done, so they will have an "out" man and Hunter doesn't look like the one scape goat.

[cjonesfan921]

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I'm not sure, but I don't see why they wouldn't be able to. However, it would be a damn shame for them to take our tax dollars when they've raked in millions, but I wouldn't be surprised.

That's what I was thinking. Horrible if that is the case. I guess that's some leverage.

[cmebfresh]

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Of all the things that will change through this deal, I doubt this one of them (it honestly hasn't really been addressed) basketball parity is what it is... Teams will rise/fall through the ranks.

agree, Teams will rise/fall through the ranks

[goh]

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What? no.

Decertifying would mean the NBPA is broken up, not the NBA.

But wouldn't the owners just disolve the league instead of facing the anti-trust suit? Then the players are left with nothing at all.

[OSUFan_88]

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OK. But these guys are worth millions(as of now) finding health benefits should be affordable.

Mmmmm...unlikely.

I remember seeing a report that there are several NBA players that live pay check to pay check. Hell, yesterday I saw that Andy Rautins had to move in with his parents because he couldn't afford his rent while the NBA was in a lockout.

And if you miss a whole year, the players would get even more pissed off.

[OSUFan_88]

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But wouldn't the owners just disolve the league instead of facing the anti-trust suit? Then the players are left with nothing at all.

I suppose that could happen, but I would say it's probably unlikely. I don't think the league is that worried about an anti-trust suit.

[aholbert32]

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OK. But these guys are worth millions(as of now) finding health benefits should be affordable.

You arent worth millions if you live check to check or if you are a bench player who only made the league minimum the past few years.

[aholbert32]

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And things are going to change.

Gotta disagree with you there. Lets say the owners get what they want. 50% BRI, higher luxury tax etc....that doesnt all of a sudden give the teams competitive balance. A hard cap maybe would have caused that but not the current system on the table.

[aholbert32]

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Just as I said earlier:

Howard Beck:

"As @ChrisMannixSI noted earlier, "decertification faction" may be less than it appears. Have been told not everyone on call supported it."

"Players who participated in the conference calls had wide range of opinions/interest. Not unified in threat to dissolve union."

[OSUFan_88]

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Gotta disagree with you there. Lets say the owners get what they want. 50% BRI, higher luxury tax etc....that doesnt all of a sudden give the teams competitive balance. A hard cap maybe would have caused that but not the current system on the table.

On the other hand, higher revenue sharing and a salary floor would almost certainly cause more teams to put a more competitive team on the court.

Oh, interesting development!

As @ChrisMannixSI noted earlier, "decertification faction" may be less than it appears. Have been told not everyone on call supported it.

From Howard Beck.