NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[OSUFan_88]

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I wonder if this news leaking about MJ was leaked as a way to influence the players. A lot of guys in the NBA look up to him so much and would do pretty much everything the could for the guy...I just wonder if this is a way to try and break the union further.

IDK, but tomorrow is going to be a circus.

[The 24th Letter]

Decert is only leverage if the owners are fearful of losing a season.

The concern that the owners have over the union decerting (I don't care if thats a word) is because they want to keep this out of court....whether the seasons lost doesn't really matter.

Like I said, the owners have a healthy fear of it. It's by no means a shot in the dark once it's past the initial stages. It could be a complete FAIL or a total shift in leverage.

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It already is a circus and there have been names dropped on both ends, which tells me its the agents that are doing this

[TheMatrix31]

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So stupid that they have to meet tomorrow. Not like there isn't a bunch of other **** we have to pay attention tomorrow, like a certain college football game, various Saturday events, etc.

[OSUFan_88]

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The concern that the owners have over the union decerting (I don't care if thats a word) is because they want to keep this out of court....whether the seasons lost doesn't really matter.

Like I said, the owners have a healthy fear of it. It's by no means a shot in the dark once it's past the initial stages. It could be a complete FAIL or a total shift in leverage.

I doubt that. The NFL lockout has proven that the courts, even in one that was overwhelmingly thought to be pro-union, will more than likely uphold the lockout. That's why De Smith was holding lectures on reasons why decertifying didn't work.

[aholbert32]

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So stupid that they have to meet tomorrow. Not like there isn't a bunch of other **** we have to pay attention tomorrow, like a certain college football game, various Saturday events, etc.

I actually prefer it. I will be at the MD/VA football game, watch the Bama/LSU game and UFC 138. Plus 2 other boxing matches on. Plenty to distract me as I watch the league explode.

[The 24th Letter]

I doubt that. The NFL lockout has proven that the courts, even in one that was overwhelmingly thought to be pro-union, will more than likely uphold the lockout. That's why De Smith was holding lectures on reasons why decertifying didn't work.

As its been said by both sides of the argument in this thread, this definitely isn't the same situation as the NFL.

[da ThRONe]

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From Howard Beck of the NYT:



I don't see a deal unless the players blink. And before Da Throne goes ape **** over this statement, it's the truth. The owners don't need the NBA money, thus they don't need to have a season. So if the players need the money, they will have to cave.

I cannot believe that the NBPA is this bullheaded. I cannot see them moving to decertify. But if they do, season over.

LOL that's hows it going to be now?

I agree the owners will not budge and that's never been my point. I simply stated people here are only bashing the players when both sides are being stubborn ***holes.

[OSUFan_88]

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As its been said by both sides of the argument in this thread, this definitely isn't the same situation as the NFL.

That's fine, but that doesn't mean that decertifying would change how the courts thought it would.

[The 24th Letter]

I actually prefer it. I will be at the MD/VA football game, watch the Bama/LSU game and UFC 138. Plus 2 other boxing matches on. Plenty to distract me as I watch the league explode.

My face gets hot everytime I see the NBA Today matchups in 2k12 though....so annoying...those should be HAPPENING.

[The 24th Letter]

That's fine, but that doesn't mean that decertifying would change how the courts thought it would.

My point is we don't know, they really aren't lateral situations.

[da ThRONe]

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Chris Broussard just said that if the player decert and win the league could be forced to pay as much as 3X the 2billion in players salaries.

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That's fine, but that doesn't mean that decertifying would change how the courts thought it would.

Didnt someone from the courts or someone that had knowledge in the process say it wouldnt work out too well for the PA...

nevermind, this is what I saw

Interesting tidbit from Lawrence Katz, the lawyer handling the union’s National Labor Relations Board case against the NBA. In discussing possible decertification by the union, Katz said he believes that the NLRB — which would handle any decertification vote by the union if such a vote were authorized by union members — would not approve the vote.

“They would block any decertification petition,” he said….

“The vote on decertification is a vote controlled and run by the NLRB,” he said. “In my opinion, they could not process the petition for a vote because of the pending petition.”

Decertifying the union — then having players sue the league on anti-trust grounds — was the route the NFL union went. It didn’t really work well for them, court rulings were very narrow and didn’t help the union, and in the end old-fashioned negotiations was how a deal was reached.

Billy Hunter and the players union decided to file with the NLRB, hoping that body would step in and say the owners have not negotiated in good faith. The union filed their complaint in May and there is still not ruling from the board, and when they do rule most legal experts think it will favor the owners.

But for now that keeps decertification off the table. If the union does go this route, it will be after the entire season is canceled. Lets hope it doesn’t come to that.

[OSUFan_88]

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Chris Broussard just said that if the player decert and win the league could be forced to pay as much as 3X the 2billion in players salaries.

I will donate $100 to OS if the NBPA wins.

[da ThRONe]

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I will donate $100 to OS if the NBPA wins.

Agreed. My money would be on the owners as well. The point is the owners aren't going to want this to be out of their hands and in the hands of judges.