NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[aholbert32]

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Question. If the NBA is loosing all this money, why are they still supporting the WNBA?

Tax write off and the teams that own WNBA teams aren't the ones that are losing money. Also WNBA teams are relatively cheap to run.

[aholbert32]

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- I saw a video segment on Tristan Thompson and he's currently taking the bus to school because he doesn't have the money to buy a car. If you took a poll of all the recent draft picks, I bet you every single one of them would sign off on a 50-50 BRI split.

- I would like to hear David Stern make another appearance on the BS Report because Bill Simmons is the only person that has the balls (and the access) to grill him.

Stern needs to be asked, how much money is the NBA losing because of the charity known as the WNBA. He also needs to be asked if he cares so much about parity, why doesn't the NBA copy the NFL and adjust the schedules each season depending on how you finished in the standings? We all know the answer to this question is because every owner wants to have the Heat, Lakers, etc.. come to town so they can make money but I want to hear how Stern would dance around this question.

I hate that weighted schedule idea. It makes sense in the NFL because there are 32 teams and only 16 weeks. Its impossible to see every team. I would be pissed if I have season tickets and I can't see the Lakers play because the Wizards have a crappy record.

[Marino]

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Question. If the NBA is loosing all this money, why are they still supporting the WNBA?

You can write that off.

EDIT: I see Aaron already covered that.

[VanCitySportsGuy]

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I hate that weighted schedule idea. It makes sense in the NFL because there are 32 teams and only 16 weeks. Its impossible to see every team. I would be pissed if I have season tickets and I can't see the Lakers play because the Wizards have a crappy record.

Yeah that would be bad for people that want to see the marquee teams. If Stern really cares about parity (which we know he only cares to a certain point) than a team like the Wizards shouldn't be facing teams like the Lakers and Mavs and instead get 2 more games against teams like the Cavs and Pistons.

If Stern is against super teams, he should tell the Owners and Players that we need to get rid of max contract restrictions. If there weren't any restrictions, I could picture a guy like LeBron getting 25-30 million a season which would kill the chances of his team signing 2 more all-star level players (unless they were willing to take a massive below market contract).

[Dice]

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Tax write off and the teams that own WNBA teams aren't the ones that are losing money. Also WNBA teams are relatively cheap to run.

So your telling me the Pacers(Fever), Hawks(Dream), Suns(Mercury) and T-Wolves(Lynx) are all making money?

[HealyMonster]

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- I saw a video segment on Tristan Thompson and he's currently taking the bus to school because he doesn't have the money to buy a car.

Not directed at you specifically VanCity, and I know you weren't trying to say this, but I hate the mentality this brings. Like the theres a lock out and because of that this kid needs to take the bus to school. I could see this on like espn segment or something, and its like who doesn't take the bus to school. Its like once these guys have to face the real world, their life falls apart.
Like oh, they missed some game checks, they are all going to fold and start playing. How many people are on unemployment in America? How many have been on unemployments over the last 5 years? These guys miss a game check and start dropping their principles, which, right now they are saying are immovable? It makes no sense to me.
If you make millions of dollars, and cant get through a year without getting paid or you will go bankrupt/die, what the heck makes you think you are intelligent enough to sit across from an owner and call their bluff?

[VanCitySportsGuy]

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Not directed at you specifically VanCity, and I know you weren't trying to say this, but I hate the mentality this brings. Like the theres a lock out and because of that this kid needs to take the bus to school. I could see this on like espn segment or something, and its like who doesn't take the bus to school. Its like once these guys have to face the real world, their life falls apart.
Like oh, they missed some game checks, they are all going to fold and start playing. How many people are on unemployment in America? How many have been on unemployments over the last 5 years? These guys miss a game check and start dropping their principles, which, right now they are saying are immovable? It makes no sense to me.
If you make millions of dollars, and cant get through a year without getting paid or you will go bankrupt/die, what the heck makes you think you are intelligent enough to sit across from an owner and call their bluff?

I get what you're saying.

To be fair to Tristan, he didn't come across like taking the bus was beneath him. The person that provided the voice over mentioned he takes the bus because he doesn't have money to buy a car right now.

[aholbert32]

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So your telling me the Pacers(Fever), Hawks(Dream), Suns(Mercury) and T-Wolves(Lynx) are all making money?

Hawks and the Suns are doing fine. The fever and the Lynx are actually successful WNBA teams.

[jvalverde88]

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Has the WNBA been financially successful the past few years because honestly I'm surprised the WNBA is still around. Then again this is coming from who does not follow it at all.

[Dice]

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Hawks and the Suns are doing fine. The fever and the Lynx are actually successful WNBA teams.

OK. I'll give you the Suns. BUT the Hawks? With that piss poor attendence? I'm gonna find that hard to believe that the Hawks aren't even close to breaking even.

[wco81]

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The owners make claims of losses but like the NFL owners, they won't open the books.

They demand 50/50 and apparently the players offered to go from 57 to 53 but the owners refused to budge?

Something smells fishy about the owners' claims of financial distress.

The zero-sum trade-off at the heart of the NBA lockout is just the first
of many questions. There are plenty of follow-ups that owners should
have to answer, but so far have almost completely avoided. For example,
if owners are losing money — a claim that the NBA has made hard to
verify by its refusal to open its books — is there any evidence that
those losses have resulted from things other than the owners’ own
mistakes or constraints inherent in their market? Why should the
players as a whole earn less for their services because some owners are
poor evaluators of talent or make terrible economic choices? If TV
deals in Charlotte and Minneapolis end up being less lucrative than TV
deals in LA and New York, why should the players be forced to give up
their income to help owners make up the difference? The NBA owners were
the ones that voted to expand into smaller, riskier markets — shouldn’t
they be the ones to foot the bill when those experiments go awry?

Even in the past week’s last-ditch negotiations, the lines drawn in the
sand by the NBA were presented without justification. Why did the NBA
players need to give up 7 percentage points of BRI to get to a 50/50
split, rather than just the 4 points they had offered (worth about $160
million in salary this year alone)?

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/warriors/2011/10/10/calling-lockout-fouls-on-the-owners-and-abandoning-sports-analogies/

[Dice]

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According to Stern back in August, he said he did open the books to the union.

[Dice]

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And to say that WNBA teams are cheap is getting off the fact that the NBA still gives the WNBA about $20 million to operate. I know that's not a lot to the NBA, but if your loosing money why are you giving it to a league that's not making any money at all? And it's not like the WNBA is a non-profit league(although looking at their finances they might operate like one), so the tax write off thing is a big farce.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Is this the most the WNBA has EVER been discussed on OS? LOL

[aholbert32]

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And to say that WNBA teams are cheap is getting off the fact that the NBA still gives the WNBA about $20 million to operate. I know that's not a lot to the NBA, but if your loosing money why are you giving it to a league that's not making any money at all? And it's not like the WNBA is a non-profit league(although looking at their finances they might operate like one), so the tax write off thing is a big farce.

Its good PR for the league and it helps grow female fans. My female cousins love going to Mystics games and it got them interested in Basketball. Plus its 20 mil (The NBA only takes around a 4-6 mil loss) which is chump change in the scheme of things.