NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[The 24th Letter]

Rose says lockout unnecessary, might go abroad

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/basketball/nba/09/27/derrick.rose.ap/index.html

Billionaires arguing with Millionaires about money, best description of the lockout so far.

As you can see, Ray Allen backed off this stance recently.....NBA players saying things like this just show they arent educated about the situation and need to have a conversation with their team rep.

[Dice]

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As you can see, Ray Allen backed off this stance recently.....NBA players saying things like this just show they arent educated about the situation and need to have a conversation with their team rep.

I actually agree with Rose in the sense that the lockout is unnecessary. However, I do agree with you in the sense that he's not updated on the situation and it's more to it than the 'millionaires vs billionaires' line. Yes, it is rich folks trying to get richer BUT the why part about is has a bigger incentive for him to actually be updated and kept being involved.

Rose has got a whole career ahead of him and he better be updated because after next year when he's off his rookie contract and makes his MAX money, he better know what he's getting, how long the contract and where he's going to play. You never know. This CBA might throw him a curveball and next thing you know he'll be choosing if he's going to play in Chicago for lesser money or he's going to leave Chicago, his hometown, and play somewhere for MAX dollars.

[The 24th Letter]

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I mean I get the whole "theres more important things in the world to be worried about" thought process, of course there is.....

But when your "on a side" of that argument, it just doesnt make any sense to say that IMO...

[Dice]

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Exactly. I can understand that if it was someone like us who said that. BUT Rose is a member of the millionaires in the Millionaire vs Billionaire fight.

[OSUFan_88]

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Good News, Everybody!

Labor meeting over, and Derek Fisher says sides will meet again Friday with as many as 15 owners joining players in negotiating room.

The weekend has been left open by owners and players to keep talking here in New York, Fisher said.

Woj

Plus, "key" players will be at the meeting.

Edit: Sam Amick

Source says NBA stars - including Kobe Bryant, LeBron James and Kevin Durant - are expected in NYC on Friday for players meeting.

[Dice]

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Tweet by Adrian Wojnarowsk:
"Labor meeting over, and Derek Fisher says sides will meet again Friday with as many as 15 owners joining players in negotiating room."

I guess Rosh Hashanah is not celebrated on Friday. Or maybe they just want to get it over with. Looks like the talks is heading for an NBA season that will start on time. I know I said I wasn't going to get too excited about these reports BUT it's getting close to October 1st and this is around the time that many predicted that movement towards an agreement would start to materialize.

[Taur3asi3]

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Hopefully they stick Sarver and Gilbert at the kid's table this time. Some owners should have significantly more say in this than others.

[OSUFan_88]

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Hopefully they stick Sarver and Gilbert at the kid's table this time. Some owners should have significantly more say in this than others.

How are you so sure that Sarver and Gilbert are against this?

Just saying...

[Dice]

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They are the selected owners trying to sabotage the season. Gilbert in particular.

[aholbert32]

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If Gilbert sabotage this, I'm gonna go postal. Get the ****ing deal done.

[OSUFan_88]

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They are the selected owners trying to sabotage the season. Gilbert in particular.

I don't think he is trying to sabotage the season.

Just the Heat.

It would be incredibly bad business sense to sabotage a season for Gilbert. For one, he needs his young player to play and draw interest. Two, he needs games to make money.

Just because he wants money and wants to screw bigger markets doesn't mean he's trying to sabotage the season.

[aholbert32]

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I love this:

"As Hunter speaks on street, guy rolls up, pounds fist on door panel, and shouts, "We want basketball! Stop the playing and get it done!"

[aholbert32]

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I don't think he is trying to sabotage the season.

Just the Heat.

It would be incredibly bad business sense to sabotage a season for Gilbert. For one, he needs his young player to play and draw interest. Two, he needs games to make money.

Just because he wants money and wants to screw bigger markets doesn't mean he's trying to sabotage the season.

Its the same effect. The guy did a **** job at managing his team and coddled a superstar who screwed him in the end....what the hell does that have to do with the system or revenue sharing. No one told him to pay Boobie Gibson 4 mil a year or Varajao 9 mil or take on Jamison's deal.

Also I dont think it would be that bad for Gilbert if he lost a season. A lost season would equal a hard cap, Miami and Lebron getting screwed, a second top 5 draft pick and more revenue sharing.

[OSUFan_88]

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Its the same effect. The guy did a **** job at managing his team and coddled a superstar who screwed him in the end....what the hell does that have to do with the system or revenue sharing. No one told him to pay Boobie Gibson 4 mil a year or Varajao 9 mil or take on Jamison's deal.

Also I dont think it would be that bad for Gilbert if he lost a season. A lost season would equal a hard cap, Miami and Lebron getting screwed, a second top 5 draft pick and more revenue sharing.

1: I don't think he's pissed about losing money. Nor is he pissed about any of those moves. The guy took Baron Davis just to get an unprotected 1st rounder. And I don't hear him complaining about that.

2: A lost season would equal a year without his two top 5 picks playing, maybe getting a hard cap and MAYBE getting a top 5 pick, although if they do a last three years average, they are screwed.

Gilbert isn't trying to throw a season away. I think he's smarter than that. I do think if he does see an opportunity to screw LeBron, though, he's going to take it. But I don't think he's going to throw away his reputation among the owners just to get even.

[aholbert32]

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1: I don't think he's pissed about losing money. Nor is he pissed about any of those moves. The guy took Baron Davis just to get an unprotected 1st rounder. And I don't hear him complaining about that.

2: A lost season would equal a year without his two top 5 picks playing, maybe getting a hard cap and MAYBE getting a top 5 pick, although if they do a last three years average, they are screwed.

Gilbert isn't trying to throw a season away. I think he's smarter than that. I do think if he does see an opportunity to screw LeBron, though, he's going to take it. But I don't think he's going to throw away his reputation among the owners just to get even.

Gilbert cant stop a deal anyway because Stern only needs 16. If there is a lost season I GUARANTEE there will be a hard cap. The leverage switches to the owners the minute actual games are lost and paychecks stop coming in. Same thing happened with the NHL.