NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[tehova]

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When i saw all the new post i thought everyone was gonna talk about the ongoing negotiations and how long the talks were today.


But nope still arguing against the fundamental issues of the lockout (basically mimicking the owners and players within our own system) :o

*goes back to lurk mode*

I do have one question tho, is there any deal out there were you would say "the system is now fair, any team can win, i am satisfied with the nba and David Stern"

[Dice]

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The talks continue Saturday. Nothing to get excited about but it does should like some progress is being made.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/215797/Labor_Talks_Will_Resume_At_10_AM_Saturday

Derek Fisher and the players exited a Friday meeting with the owners that lasted nearly five hours and immediately addressed the media.

"We did not come out with a deal today," said Fisher. "We will be back at 10 am tomorrow."

Fisher said no proposals were exchanged and there were no threats to cancel the season. He also indicated that he does not believe the sides are any closer to agreeing to a deal than they were on Wednesday and that talks were contentious at times.

"We can't continue to go down any path without making sure it's a fair way to go," said Fisher.

David Stern addressed the media shortly after the union concluded their remarks.

"Both sides expressed a willingness to make a deal," said Stern. "Once you start to lose games, positions on both sides start to harden."

Stern also indicated that the union knows "precisely" what the revenue sharing system would look like. "They know as much as we know."

One source from inside the meeting told an associate that there was a 'sense of cooperation' during the day.

[J_Posse]

You lost me once you brought up Lebron, Wade and Bosh because EVERYONE knows the real deal with that.


Because for the most part, they are greedy. You're not gonna find too many Tim Duncan's out here who'll sacrifice money to help the TEAM.


Old and Greedy?


If players instead of owners could negoatiate their own deals, don't you think just about all of them would demand they get paid max money? You wouldn't find too many players out here saying "Well, I know I didn't play too good last season so I think I'm going to take a pay cut from what I made last year since it wouldn't be fair".

Dude, it's a give and take. If owners could they'd pay the players virtually nothing. So, they negotiate a happy middleground. The owners just get fleeced by average players like Drew Gooden, Richard Jefferson and Travis Outlaw. Just cause you've got capspace doesn't mean you should spend it on mediocre players like those guys.

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[Dice]

Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Barganing Agreement Discussion

When i saw all the new post i thought everyone was gonna talk about the ongoing negotiations and how long the talks were today.


But nope still arguing against the fundamental issues of the lockout (basically mimicking the owners and players within our own system) :o

*goes back to lurk mode*

I do have one question tho, is there any deal out there were you would say "the system is now fair, any team can win, i am satisfied with the nba and David Stern"

It's the players fault...No...it's the owners fault...No...it's the system...No...it's the refs...maybe, since they are fixing games. How do they fix it? Turn down the foul sliders and turn off the clutch option.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Dude, it's a give and take. If owners could they'd pay the players virtually nothing. So, they negotiate a happy middleground. The owners just get fleeced by average players like Drew Gooden, Richard Jefferson and Travis Outlaw. Just cause you've got capspace doesn't mean you should spend it on mediocre players like those guys.

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And again, it is easy for US to criticize the contracts being dished out when WE are not the ones paying the money. Why people continue to make it sound like it's that easy is beyond me.

Hova, you're better off just avoiding this thread altogether until a deal is actually made because most of us don't care if they talk for 5 minutes or 5 years. People just want them to get something done and if that means one side gets ****ed over the other side, then so be it.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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The talks continue Saturday. Nothing to get excited about but it does should like some progress is being made.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...10_AM_Saturday

I'm more curious to know what Durant, Wade and Lebron we're like during this. Were they actually involved in this today or were they there just for show?

[OSUFan_88]

Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Barganing Agreement Discussion

I'm more curious to know what Durant, Wade and Lebron we're like during this. Were they actually involved in this today or were they there just for show?

Wade was busy yelling at Stern, apparently.

[OSUFan_88]

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Stern told reporters in NY: "Three big things are the system, the economics, and revenue sharing, and we’ve taken care of one.”

http://twitter.com/#!/SamAmicoFSO/status/119931603467243520

Very interesting.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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If a deal is not reached this weekend or by the first part of next week, the start of the NBA season will have to be postponed. There would not be enough time to finalize the deal, have a free agency period, truncated training camps and exhibition games, and still start on Nov. 1.
Fisher told reporters that the talks were wide ranging, at time contentious and “engaging.” No formal proposals have been exchanged and neither side would say that a deal could be reached this weekend. Fisher also said that he’s not sure they are any closer to a deal now than they were when talks ended on Wednesday.
The main issue has been how to both define and split “basketball related income.” The players got 57 percent in the old labor deal and have formally offered to go down to 54 percent, with hints they would go even lower. The owners highest offer was reportedly to give the players 48 percent. Then there are issues of what kind of restrictions — how many exceptions and how steep a luxury tax — there would be on any salary structure for players. The two sides remain fairly far apart on these issues.
Stern did say that the owners seem to have come to some level of agreement on a new revenue sharing plan. It would start with nearly three times the current revenue sharing levels and would go up to four times last year’s $60 million in four years.
The good news takeaway is that the two sides seem to be working hard to make a deal. Multiple reporters and others with knowledge of the talks described “spirit of cooperation” and said both sides seemed serious about making a deal. There were reports that even hardline owners were now looking for a way to find common ground.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/30/nba-owner-union-talks-%e2%80%9cengaging%e2%80%9d-will-continue-saturday/

[RoyalBoyle78]

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Listen I'm getting tired of these damn lockouts, but this NBA one gets on my nerves, and ad I was all for the players in the NFL lockout I can;t say the same for the NBA Lockout. For one NBA players are so grossly overpaid to begin with, really it makes me sick. There should be a salary cap in the NBA just my opinion, in my eyed the players look like the greedy ones in all this, sorry buy I think NFL players should be getting paid what this NBA get, I mean really NFL players put there life on the line every Sunday unlike this premadona NBA players.


This thing needs to get settles already.

[OSUFan_88]

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People hating on Dan Gilbert, so from Woj:

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
From official who's talked w/ people in room: More than one previously hardline owner, including Dan Gilbert, has come wanting to make deal.

[bkrich83]

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Ehh.. All a work stoppage means is that people will care even less about the NBA.

The NBA is not the NFL, they need to realize, they can't survive labor issues like the NFL did. They simply are not in the same ball park from a popularity standpoint. Not even close.

[aholbert32]

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Wade was busy yelling at Stern, apparently.

That pisses me off to no end. Wade hasn't been involved AT ALL before today. He's been busy doing interviews and photo shoots while a bunch of mid level players were meeting with the Union. He couldn't be bothered to fly to Vegas a few weeks ago but now he's yelling at owners during negotiations. Go home Wade and leave the negotiating to Fisher, Hunter and the players who have cared the entire time.

[King_B_Mack]

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So finally caught up on the last few pages of the discussion and...alrighty.

So now I'm to gather from all this that players are bad for wanting to be paid the most money possible? Those stupid non robot *******s being all human and what not.

If my job wanted to pay me 700 hundred dollars an hour I'm a jerkhole for taking that deal as opposed to saying 'nah give me something less than that?' Somebody is smoking something in this thread and it ain't J_Posse

[TheMatrix31]

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That pisses me off to no end. Wade hasn't been involved AT ALL before today. He's been busy doing interviews and photo shoots while a bunch of mid level players were meeting with the Union. He couldn't be bothered to fly to Vegas a few weeks ago but now he's yelling at owners during negotiations. Go home Wade and leave the negotiating to Fisher, Hunter and the players who have cared the entire time.

Yeah. Who the **** is he to just step in and play "fake leader"?

That's what bothers me about the players. Ugh.