NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[aholbert32]

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Sure, the players make much more money than we do (And they shouldn't be bitching). But what's stopping the owners from implementing a revenue sharing system so they don't lose money? What's stopping them from not signing bad contracts? Why buy a basketball team at an inflated price, have to do maintanence, get good players, generate hype, suffer below par attendance until you get good...then cry foul that you're losing money? They, more than anyone shouldn't be bitching. Sure, you're losing tens of millions of dollars. The last I notice...they are still billionaires..and are still making money from thier other business ventures.....

Frankly, buying a basketball team is a bad investment. Who expects to make money from a bad investment? Everyone knew Rashard Lewis wasn't worth that much money. They did it anyway. Arenas, Hakim Warrick and the like shouldn't have gotten those contracts. Yet they signed/traded for them anyway. Did you really belive Arenas was worth his contract on bum knees? Really? That was a bad decision. They shouldn't be protected from a bad decision.

Are inflated contracts a problem? Yes, but only because owners made it that way in the first place. And the argument that a single owner shouldn't ruin it for the rest of them...did we not just see a group of people crash the stock market and plunge us into a recession!?

Now, that that's over. I think the problem coming up is the fact that the owners want an entirely new CBA and the players want to renegotioate the old CBA. Different expectations + Egos = Severe Problems.

I do agree that the Stand United crap needs to stop though. That's not helping them any in terms of public perception.

Buying a basketball team is FAR from a bad investment. Like any investment it just depends on what you buy. Buss and Sterling have lived off their teams for years. I dont think Cuban's considers his Mavs purchase a bad investment. Dolan either.

I'll speak on the Arenas deal. When he signed the deal he was coming off a knee injury but everybody expected him to fully recover and play like he used to. I dont remember anyone at the time saying that was a bad deal. It became a bad deal when the knee didnt heal. The guy was an all star averaging 20+ when he signed that deal. Cant expect owners to see the future.

[jvalverde88]

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Players get lots of the hate because people actually know them (I can't name half the owners) and the public knows how much money they make. If we all knew how much money the owners were raking in I'm sure it would sway some of the sentiment.

Owner also aren't the ones talking out of their asses on twitter.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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So the players have turned down 2 deals, that could've ended the Lockout, eh.

[King_B_Mack]

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Thats BS. The owners have looked at revenue sharing and have presented their proposal to the players. From what I've read the players dont seem to have an issue with their proposal. There were 3 issues going into this lockout: Revenue Sharing, BRI and the System. Revenue Sharing is the only one close to being resolved.

Maybe I missed it then. All I've seen about revenue sharing is how it's been mentioned and the owners like the Lakers ownership don't want it because they don't wanna share they're cash or the revenue sharing that they're talking about isn't really going to help too much cause again, the big market guys don't wanna give they're money to the Charlottes of the world.

I really dont know what you're talking about

Im really not understanding why you're so hurt that the players are getting as you call it their behinds handed to them. I see you weren't around when we were having discussions as the negotiations last days were going on so maybe you dont understand whats been happening by the hour


I havent resorted to anything...and saying they're acting like dumb goofballs on twitter is exactly what they were doing

I'm not hurt and that's what I'm talking about. I've been on enough forums that when all the 'internet forums' crap starts getting thrown out, that's when you go from having friendly, adult debates to guys just taking shots instead of sticking to the debates. Trust me, I don't lose any sleep about anything I see or hear on the internet when the computer is off. However it is annoying when instead of sticking to the actual discussion at hand, dudes start playing the 'why you getting so hurt about a message board bro?' 'how sad is your life you crying about a internet forum dude?' Come on man, OS is above that BS. I don't care if you call out the players for being idiots with some of this stuff, but it's real ESPN like for all the venom coming at these dudes extra hard while the owners are skating with the after thought of 'yeah both sides are to blame, but back to these jackass players.'

[Dice]

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Buying a basketball team is FAR from a bad investment. Like any investment it just depends on what you buy. Buss and Sterling have lived off their teams for years. I dont think Cuban's considers his Mavs purchase a bad investment. Dolan either.

This is true. BUT what about teams not in marketable areas? It's easy to give out names like Sterling, Buss or Dolan. BUT what of Herb Simon? Or the Maloofs? Or even Michael Hinsley? These guys own teams where it matters whether they win. Where as, if your in LA, Chicago or New York, win or loose, your team is making money.

And Cuban in the beginning took a hit financially for a couple of years on the Mavericks. BUT he did have the patients to wait it out and finally get a return on his investment. Unlike some of these new owners who expect to make a profit in a small market right after the team won 20 games.

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Maybe I missed it then. All I've seen about revenue sharing is how it's been mentioned and the owners like the Lakers ownership don't want it because they don't wanna share they're cash or the revenue sharing that they're talking about isn't really going to help too much cause again, the big market guys don't wanna give they're money to the Charlottes of the world.



I'm not hurt and that's what I'm talking about. I've been on enough forums that when all the 'internet forums' crap starts getting thrown out, that's when you go from having friendly, adult debates to guys just taking shots instead of sticking to the debates. Trust me, I don't lose any sleep about anything I see or hear on the internet when the computer is off. However it is annoying when instead of sticking to the actual discussion at hand, dudes start playing the 'why you getting so hurt about a message board bro?' 'how sad is your life you crying about a internet forum dude?' Come on man, OS is above that BS. I don't care if you call out the players for being idiots with some of this stuff, but it's real ESPN like for all the venom coming at these dudes extra hard while the owners are skating with the after thought of 'yeah both sides are to blame, but back to these jackass players.'

LOL werent you the one that came on here asking why the players are getting ravaged on the forums?

I was trying to give you some insight as to what happened, because as I said I know you werent here when things were happening

...and again, yes the ball is in the players court, its not about right or wrong..its about fixing the problem at this point and there is one side who has made it clear they plan on remaining stubborn

[DukeC]

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Buying a basketball team is FAR from a bad investment. Like any investment it just depends on what you buy. Buss and Sterling have lived off their teams for years. I dont think Cuban's considers his Mavs purchase a bad investment. Dolan either.

I'll speak on the Arenas deal. When he signed the deal he was coming off a knee injury but everybody expected him to fully recover and play like he used to. I dont remember anyone at the time saying that was a bad deal. It became a bad deal when the knee didnt heal. The guy was an all star averaging 20+ when he signed that deal. Cant expect owners to see the future.

How many of those owners bought thier teams before the 43-57 split? Before that, when Micheal was getting only 800K, buying a basketball team wasn't a bad investment. Buying one now is, with the how much more expensive the teams cost now. Coupled with the fact you're usually buying a bad team with little to no attendance and bad (maybe overpaid) players and you have a bad inital investment.

It's going to cost you even more money before you're able to compete or attract any big name free agents. Until then, you have to rely on the draft which is always a hit or miss preospect. You might not be relevant for years (Kings(Since 05), Bobcats (Since Never) Cleveland (Once Price left, Until Lebron came, and until he left), Hawks (When Nique left), Pacers (once the brawl happened) Knicks (Since Ewing left), Nets (Since 03-04), Memphis (Until now), Clippers (Until now...and they have a cheap *** owner) . In which case, you'll never attract any fans, much less players.

Tell me...when was the last time any of those teams attracted any big name players through Free Agency?

As for the Arenas thing...knees are always a tricky thing to evaluate. Which is why I don't blame the Suns for letting Amare go. He could've never been the same and they would have made a bad investment.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Buying one now is, with the how much more expensive the teams cost now.

Depends on what you buy, which is the case with any investment.

Nets (Since 03-04),

Since 06-07. And yes I'm nitpicking LOL

[DukeC]

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Depends on what you buy, which is the case with any investment.


Since 06-07. And yes I'm nitpicking LOL

Usually the only teams for sale are bad ones...which would make it a bad investment. You don't see any owner selling a succesful franchise that wins championships and maintains revalancy.

Well...I got nothin to say to that

Though I am glad Jason Kidd finally got a ring.

[OSUFan_88]

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How many of those owners bought thier teams before the 43-57 split?

You mean when the 43% meant you had a good chance at breaking even? Quite a few.

When the market crashed and the players didn't live up to their end of the deal and provide good basketball, the system went to hell.

[The 24th Letter]

LOL You got it man.

The Players are the victims here. They're at fault for all of this all because of a few posts on an internet forum.

Boo Owners, boo.

cmon man, lol

I can give a miliion reasons on why the players arent the victims either...but thats been covered over and over...

aint no good guys here...thats been my point all along...

[The 24th Letter]

assuming we get a season this year....im not sure how I would feel about a shortened season championship....I made no difference to me in 99, then again it was my team, lol

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Another twitter-ism lol

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[OSUFan_88]

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DO YOU SEE WHAT YOU HAVE DONE TO ME LEBRON!? DO YOU SEE IT!?

God help me, I'm agreeing with Steven A Smith...Dear God, I'm agreeing with Steve A Smith.

I'm going to lock myself in a bathroom and cry for a good hour. Excuse me...

[The 24th Letter]

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WTF was that?

He was on Skip Baylesses show...if he wanted to rant on LeBron he didnt need to blanket with his tweet...Skip wouldve been more than happy to hear it regardless..

that was alot of yelling about nothing.