NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[DukeC]

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Anyone think that we will get better basketball because of the lockout? Since the players are taking less money, I could see players really hustling and playing hard trying to get every dollar out of teams.

What do yall think?

At the end of the day...it won't really matter. The dudes that have passion for the game won't play any different and will strive to rise their pay through their play...and the others...well...they'll either shape up quick or the fans will turn on them in a heartbeat and they'll be out of the league.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Anyone think that we will get better basketball because of the lockout? Since the players are taking less money, I could see players really hustling and playing hard trying to get every dollar out of teams.

What do yall think?

Two words:

Hell. No.

[DukeC]

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Two words:

Hell. No.

I concur...sort of. There will probably be a lot of pouting after this deal is done, and it'll be unseemly. The public will turn on the players lickety split (I can't believe I just used that ) if they pout for too long though...

[ProfessaPackMan]

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The quality of Basketball won't improve just because of a lockout.

But if NBA does comeback, then yeah there's going to be some pouting but it'll be barely noticeable because of the fact the Lockout is over. Happened with the NFL Lockout as well.

[DukeC]

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The quality of Basketball won't improve just because of a lockout.

But if NBA does comeback, then yeah there's going to be some pouting but it'll be barely noticeable because of the fact the Lockout is over. Happened with the NFL Lockout as well.

That's a whole different subject matter. You just don't see the fundementals being taught that much anymore because kids start out so much more athletically gifted than everyone else (Talent disparity based on where they live) that coaches take the approach of "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" because they want the satisfaction of winning more than anything else.

That's why you have so many of these athletic freaks not pan out be cause they were never taught or encouraged to expand their game.

It'd be better if the NBA instituted a mandatory amount of college years (at least 2) instead of the age restriction. Or, they could just abolish the rule in the first place and allow high school players back in. You'd see a lot less of the 1 and done's now (Which also hurts the college game...which in turn hurts the NBA because of the lower quality of players getting drafted).

Edit: And this had absolutely nothing to do with the discussion at hand. My god...my attention span is extremely short

[AllStarDaDon]

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That's a whole different subject matter. You just don't see the fundementals being taught that much anymore because kids start out so much more athletically gifted than everyone else (Talent disparity based on where they live) that coaches take the approach of "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" because they want the satisfaction of winning more than anything else.

That's why you have so many of these athletic freaks not pan out be cause they were never taught or encouraged to expand their game.

It'd be better if the NBA instituted a mandatory amount of college years (at least 2) instead of the age restriction. Or, they could just abolish the rule in the first place and allow high school players back in. You'd see a lot less of the 1 and done's now (Which also hurts the college game...which in turn hurts the NBA because of the lower quality of players getting drafted).

Edit: And this had absolutely nothing to do with the discussion at hand. My god...my attention span is extremely short

I actually like the idea of the 2 mandatory years of college.

[OSUFan_88]

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It is my opinion that only three things need fixed. *or at least, that can be fixed*

1) Owners need a little bit of a bigger slice of the pie.
2) Owners need a much better revenue sharing program between themselves, which includes a tiered soft cap.
3) Abolish the sign and trade.

If they fixed those three things, I'd be happy. Don't see a need for a "Carmelo" rule or that stupid rule where you can only use Bird Rights twice every five years or whatever.

I just hope they get it done. Tomorrow is a HUGE day for the NBA. Either we get massive progress and the full season is possibly saved, or we get no progress and part of the season is cancelled, no pressure guys.

BTW, anyone find it weird that the guys who make the most money on the players side are the ones representing all of the players? Wade and LeBron saying they are willing to miss a few games is pretty short sided, I'm sure guys who don't make as much as you dudes cannot afford to miss a season.

I have a feeling that if Stern announces games cancelled, the players are going to be wanting to hang the union.

[phenom1990]

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I just hope they get it done. Tomorrow is a HUGE day for the NBA. Either we get massive progress and the full season is possibly saved, or we get no progress and part of the season is cancelled, no pressure guys.

BTW, anyone find it weird that the guys who make the most money on the players side are the ones representing all of the players? Wade and LeBron saying they are willing to miss a few games is pretty short sided, I'm sure guys who don't make as much as you dudes cannot afford to miss a season.

I think that the more players involved in the negotiations, the worse off the situation is. Getting a deal done is much easier with less people involved because the negotiations can be more private and there is less of a chance of someone getting their feelings hurt. At this point I rather just see Stern, Hunter, Fisher, maybe one or two more player reps and like a "head" owner locked in a room trying to get a deal done.

[clipperfan811]

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NBA owners are a bunch of greedy, spoiled ****s. These players are the main attraction, yet the owners want to low-ball them and destroy their union. The stupid ****s can't show self-restraint or self-control, so their answer is to hurt the players (in most cases only) earning potential. As much as people hate to believe it, but athletes represent one of the last examples of the American dream. Why is Billy Hunter such a spineless dick and why have the players allowed the owners to win the P.R. battle? In five or ten years will be hearing the same **** about losing money from the owners, but the public perception will once again side with the owners. When all that was needed all along was revenue sharing similar in structure to the NFL. *Sigh*

At least we might get pro basketball back, sadly the current players have ****ed over future generations in the process.

The owners, Stern and his croonies will be laughing all the way to the back by Monday. NBA players deserve better than this. Unfortunately, they have weak leadership that has bent to the owners' will since 1999. ****, I hate how both NFLPA (to a lesser extent) and NBAPA got bent over the rail. Oh well, nobody ever gave a **** how all of us felt in either situations. Damn!!!!

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I agree with you that the owners are greedy, spoiled and they themselves are responsible for the contracts they give out to players but and this is a huge but...

The players get paid a massive amount of money for their hard work and talent. The owners provide them with state of the art training facilities, chartered planes to get to their games, top notch accommodations on road trips, arenas large enough for them to be able to play in front of thousands of fans each night. That list gets pretty large and in the end they're still living an extremely blessed lifestyle.

There are so many people living on a yearly income smaller than what some of these guys get paid for one game. It's true that their talent puts people in the seats but so does all the marketing the NBA and it's teams spend money to put out there.

This is far from a one-sided affair, some of these guys deserve the contracts they get and maybe more but there are a lot more guys who are raping the system.

This whole thing isn't directed all at you personally, your comment just sort of got me thinking about the issues as a whole. And anytime something gets us thinking it's a good thing

[Shakedowncapo]

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For guys who can't "afford" to miss a season, whos fault is that ultimately? Surely not the owners or top earners. Nobody forced them to live paycheck to paycheck.

"Damn, I don't know if I can sustain with the $2.4mil I made last year!"

[ProfessaPackMan]

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The players get paid a massive amount of money for their hard work and talent. The owners provide them with state of the art training facilities, chartered planes to get to their games, top notch accommodations on road trips, arenas large enough for them to be able to play in front of thousands of fans each night. That list gets pretty large and in the end they're still living an extremely blessed lifestyle

I agree with some of this but some of it isn't really true. Not every Owner provides their team top flight equipment, staff, etc.

[BiggD]

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For guys who can't "afford" to miss a season, whos fault is that ultimately? Surely not the owners or top earners. Nobody forced them to live paycheck to paycheck.

"Damn, I don't know if I can sustain with the $2.4mil I made last year!"

Amen.. I hate this kind of attitude

[aholbert32]

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Least of the problems that's wrong with the structure of the NBA.

So true. Restricted FA is WAY down the list.

[aholbert32]

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I agree with some of this but some of it isn't really true. Not every Owner provides their team top flight equipment, staff, etc.

I don't think there is a team in the NBa that doesn't fly charter. They may not have their own planes but its not like they are flying Southwest.

[Culture Rot]

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Id be willing to miss a season if the league would come back with several less teams, and put the sonics back in seattle, but I realize that isnt what this is about.