NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[Pappy Knuckles]

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I feel you, Big Baby.

[da ThRONe]

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I feel sorry for Orlando, New Orleans, and maybe even New Jersey/Brooklyn Nets fans. If the season does get canceled, that means the 2010/11 season was the last season that they get to see Paul, Dwight and D. Williams.

If the season is canceled Howard is as good as gone. Paul is too. D Will might stay if they get Howard but if not, he's probably gone too. The only thing that can stop this is if the owners win the labor dispute. Thats why its pretty funny to me that some small-market fans actually want the players to win this. I'm a fan of a big-market team so I can care less either way. There always is going to be someone who wants to come to Chicago. But if the players win, it will be hard for small-market teams to attract or keep their stars. But I guess it doesn't matter since they didn't have a chance to keep them before this whole lockout mess began. Right?

Man, this lockout may change the way we look at basketball for the next 10 years.

If we don't get the proper salary structure Paul is leaving anyways. Our only chance is for the league to put in place a cap on team salaries. If the players would have settle for this current deal Paul was gone for certain. Just like many key players league wide will do once they are FA.

[ex carrabba fan]

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For the last time, people.....

Arena workers are going to be largely UNAFFECTED by this lockout because of all the other events that are or will be scheduled. So let's stop drumming up that point, please.

Maybe so, but the collateral damage to surrounding businesses will probably be much worse.

I'm sure this situation is going on in several NBA cities. I do feel bad for these people and those staff who have already been cut on NBA teams and arena employees due to the lockout.

http://www.cantonrep.com/charge/x1118692989/NBA-lockout-hitting-cities-like-Cleveland-hard

[goh]

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How is no season better for anyone? The players should be missing their first paychecks soon. I can't wait to see how they feel about that.

It's better if it results in a deal that makes the league sustainable for a longer ammount of time. We'd be right back in this mess or a significantly worse one in 6 years (or less if possible) had the current deal been taken. It was a deal where neither side was happy. This could result in the players coming to terms with how stupid they are for not having a deal done now,realize what they're actually getting paid for and how much and they'll take whatever's on the table at the time this finally gets through their heads. That makes the owners happy and the players know how lucky they are. So while only one side is happy the other isn't going to complain.

However I personally think it'll result in the whole thing coming down and the NBA will be no more. There'll be a new 8 team league with 10 players per team.

[rockchisler]

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They still get the escrow checks so they wont feel the first check anyway

Is the escrow part of nbapa? If so doesn't that mean that they get no money?

[Drewski]

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It's better if it results in a deal that makes the league sustainable for a longer ammount of time. We'd be right back in this mess or a significantly worse one in 6 years (or less if possible) had the current deal been taken. It was a deal where neither side was happy. This could result in the players coming to terms with how stupid they are for not having a deal done now,realize what they're actually getting paid for and how much and they'll take whatever's on the table at the time this finally gets through their heads. That makes the owners happy and the players know how lucky they are. So while only one side is happy the other isn't going to complain.

However I personally think it'll result in the whole thing coming down and the NBA will be no more. There'll be a new 8 team league with 10 players per team.

Im waiting for the super league as well. It's going to be insane. ESPN is going to be filthy rich.

[rockchisler]

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Im waiting for the super league as well. It's going to be insane. ESPN is going to be filthy rich.

That would take some time to create, plus where they gonna play, some owners own the buildings their team plays in. maybe they can play at college arenas.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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However I personally think it'll result in the whole thing coming down and the NBA will be no more. There'll be a new 8 team league with 10 players per team

Do you also believe that there are Homeboys that really live in Outer Space?

[King_B_Mack]

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Do you also believe that there are Homeboys that really live in Outer Space?

Man y'all and these references are killing me over here.

On topic though, there is no chance in hell that happens. A deal is going to get done. It's just a matter of win it does and what'll be in it that are the only real questions in this thing. This season is pretty much done, by the end of the summer, there will be a deal in place.

Honestly both sides are complete idiots, but I really think if they hadn't both let this thing be so personal, a deal would be done by now. Owners with all these ultimatiums and bullying tactics against prideful people that are supposed to be they're partners is just...stupid. The players running they're mouthes, not throughly reading things for themselves and being general douches through the whole damn thing. It's just been stupid all around.

[23]

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Im waiting for the super league as well. It's going to be insane. ESPN is going to be filthy rich.

ESPN/ABC are contracted with the NBA for a long time sir

The "superleague" would at best be on youtube

[rockchisler]

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Interesting...


Players' New Lawyer Not Committed To Litigation, Unsure Legal Action Required
Nov 14, 2011 7:53 PM EST

David Boies, the attorney tapped to be one of the chief litigators on behalf of the players in what Billy Hunter said Monday could be imminent antitrust actions against the NBA, seemed unsure of the particulars of the players' potential case against owners, or even whether any lawsuits would ever be filed.

Boies also revealed that he had only been involved in the matter for "a few hours."

"As you can see, I have not been involved in this long enough to have formed a view of what, if anything, is appropriate to do from a legal standpoint," Boies said.

"[W]e're going to talk about what the right approach is," Boies said. "Maybe it's filing a lawsuit. Maybe it's not filing a lawsuit. We've got to figure out what the lawsuit would say if there is going to be a lawsuit. There's a lot that has to be worked out."

"And I think what the players are focusing on right now is what is the fastest way to get this resolved," Boies said. This too would appear to be inconsistent with Hunter's statements on Monday, which indicated a drawn-out legal process in which the season would very likely be sacrificed.

It is unclear what the substantive purpose of Monday's disclaimer of interest from the union would be if legal action against the owners is not commenced.

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...#ixzz1dkrHuBVj

[glover20064]

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it's a sad day, well hopefully we will have a season next year, but i see a 40-45% deal to the players down the line with a lot of restriction , so they will probably regret this decision a longtime

[CMH]

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That would take some time to create, plus where they gonna play, some owners own the buildings their team plays in. maybe they can play at college arenas.

I think he means the NBA would contract and start over to build a system that best fits their financial needs and economic limitations.

The league is probably too big as it is. They won't tell you that, though, because Stern can't spin that into why they need more money.

Is something like that going to happen? I doubt it especially since it seems that most of the hardliners are small market to mid-market teams. I doubt they'd give up their franchises. Then again, if they were paid for it, you never know.

Anyway, it won't happen.

[aholbert32]

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Interesting...


Players' New Lawyer Not Committed To Litigation, Unsure Legal Action Required
Nov 14, 2011 7:53 PM EST

David Boies, the attorney tapped to be one of the chief litigators on behalf of the players in what Billy Hunter said Monday could be imminent antitrust actions against the NBA, seemed unsure of the particulars of the players' potential case against owners, or even whether any lawsuits would ever be filed.

Boies also revealed that he had only been involved in the matter for "a few hours."

"As you can see, I have not been involved in this long enough to have formed a view of what, if anything, is appropriate to do from a legal standpoint," Boies said.

"[W]e're going to talk about what the right approach is," Boies said. "Maybe it's filing a lawsuit. Maybe it's not filing a lawsuit. We've got to figure out what the lawsuit would say if there is going to be a lawsuit. There's a lot that has to be worked out."

"And I think what the players are focusing on right now is what is the fastest way to get this resolved," Boies said. This too would appear to be inconsistent with Hunter's statements on Monday, which indicated a drawn-out legal process in which the season would very likely be sacrificed.

It is unclear what the substantive purpose of Monday's disclaimer of interest from the union would be if legal action against the owners is not commenced.

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...#ixzz1dkrHuBVj

They are hoping that the owners will come to the table again with a better offer and that wont happen. The owners dont want to deal with Kessler and would rather let the union file suit and file a motion to dismiss.

That means 60 days. That also means that the earliest both sides will negotiate will probably be mid January.

[Dame]

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good article by WOJ @ yahoo

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AlqcwrqIDSRgKh97cbaqsuW8vLYF?slug=aw-wojnarowski_nba_labor_players_owners_111511