NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[goh]

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To borrow a line from a famous song...

"Nobody's right if everybody's wrong"

...see ya again in 6 years (or less).

[VanCitySportsGuy]

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I'm glad the NBA is back but this CBA still isn't going to stop top players from leaving once they hit free agency.

While they got rid of the "Melo trade", there's nothing improved in this CBA for a LeBron type player to stay with their former team. They still only get 1 more year and a slightly bigger raise if they stay instead of signing with another team. A franchise tag would have been good for the owners and being able to offer 6 years to their own free agents versus 4 for other teams.

The Owners also put back a mid-level exception for luxury tax teams which will really hurt the small market teams.

This new CBA does very little for improved competitive balance. I wish the owners were just honest and said they just wanted to improve their bottom line and stop hiding behind the competitive balance argument.

I'm sure 6 years from now, when the players opt out, the owners will complain about how horrible this CBA is. It's a never ending cycle.

I don't see a lot of fan damage being done from this lockout. The NHL cancelled the whole season and attendance improved the following season.

[aholbert32]

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No opt-out players

David Andersen
Hilton Armstrong
Aaron Brooks
Wilson Chandler
Jon Diebler (Rookie)
Joey Dorsey
Chris Douglas-Roberts
Dan Gadzuric
Pooh Jeter
Acie Law
Kenyon Martin
Patty Mills
Josh Powell
Chris Quinn
Brian Scalabrine
Mustafa Shakur
JR Smith
Darius Songaila
Garrett Temple
Sasha Vujacic
Von Wafer
Mario West

A bunch of guys who aren't really rotation guys.

Aaron Brooks signed last week.

[aholbert32]

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WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Minimum team salary increases to 85% in first two years of deal and 90% in years thereafter.



This one is stupid

Huh? Why? I think thats a great concession by the owners.

[Rancid Radio]

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I'm excited to see the NBA will be coming back. I enjoy watching pro basketball and not college for some reason. Last season was probably the best NBA playoffs in a long time, every series was crazy exciting and then the outstanding finals to cap it off. This lockout was a real downer on that, but it's good to see things are going to be back. 66 game season isn't that bad.

Although, I'm a Clippers fan so maybe we'd be better off without a season for once.

[VanCitySportsGuy]

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I thought the extend and trade contracts like the one Melo got was going to be removed from the new CBA but according to Wojnarowski, it's still in the new CBA.

[a_maz_ing]

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I'm glad the NBA is back but this CBA still isn't going to stop top players from leaving once they hit free agency.

agreed, some players will just want to go to a winning team or a certain city even if they lose a lil money.

While they got rid of the "Melo trade", there's nothing improved in this CBA for a LeBron type player to stay with their former team. They still only get 1 more year and a slightly bigger raise if they stay instead of signing with another team. A franchise tag would have been good for the owners and being able to offer 6 years to their own free agents versus 4 for other teams.

I agree with the bolded, but completely disagree with franchise tags. I hate forcing a player to stay that wants to go or using the tag on a guy who deserves a long term contract (i.e. Matt forte). I only believe in Franchise tags if both parties agree that a 1 year deal is best. And if they can't be used in consecutive years on the same player.

This new CBA does very little for improved competitive balance. I wish the owners were just honest and said they just wanted to improve their bottom line and stop hiding behind the competitive balance argument.

once again agreed. I don't think the CBA is why some teams don't win anyway. The Spurs and Oklahoma are 2 small market teams who do just fine, and then there were the Jazz in the 90s who were pretty good. The 90 Pacers weren't shabby either. It is all about having a GM who picks and acquires good players and having a good coach. The small market team is an excuse more often than not.

I'm sure 6 years from now, when the players opt out, the owners will complain about how horrible this CBA is. It's a never ending cycle.

My thoughts exactly. They just want a deal that guarantees them a profit like the NFL.

Huh? Why? I think thats a great concession by the owners.

I like the intention but I disllike the actual rule, because what if they end up spending the extra money on unworthy players then the following year don't have the money to get a good free agent because they had to spend on unworthys.

[aholbert32]

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There is absolutely nothing anybody can do if a gm is a bad gm or if he makes a bad decision. They have the amnesty clause now to take care of one bad contract. The owners also have the right to cut a player and spread out payment of his contract over years. Plus now max contract years are only 4 for free agents. GMs now have tools to handle bad contracts.

I love this rule because it guarantees that owners like the Maloofs won't take this new revenue sharing money and not spend it on players.

[VanCitySportsGuy]

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The whole spending to the floor issue is a tough one. I don't like it when you force teams (that are usually rebuilding) to spend money and give out (usually) bad contracts just to reach the floor. The NHL put in a floor in their last CBA and the Panthers had to give out a ton of bad contracts just to reach it last off-season. On the other hand, sometimes you have to make cheap owners spend money or else they won't do it. I'm sure the majority of fans would prefer a higher payroll than a lower payroll for their favorite team.

There isn't a perfect solution for this situation.

I wonder if Aaron Brooks has fired his agent yet?

[ex carrabba fan]

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There is absolutely nothing anybody can do if a gm is a bad gm or if he makes a bad decision. They have the amnesty clause now to take care of one bad contract. The owners also have the right to cut a player and spread out payment of his contract over years. Plus now max contract years are only 4 for free agents. GMs now have tools to handle bad contracts.

I love this rule because it guarantees that owners like the Maloofs won't take this new revenue sharing money and not spend it on players.

Can you explain the "owners can cut a player and spread out payment of the contract over years"?

Owners can just cut players now, besides the amnesty clause.

[Jasong7777]

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So glad the NBA is back. After getting booted from Dancing with the Stars, I gotta get my Metta World Peace fix.

[aholbert32]

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Can you explain the "owners can cut a player and spread out payment of the contract over years"?

Owners can just cut players now, besides the amnesty clause.

Take someone like Arenas. He has like 3 yr/ 60 mil left on his contract. Without Amnesty, Orlando wouldn't cut him for two reasons: 1) the cap hit and 2) that they would have to pay him the 60 mil over the next 3yrs anyway. Under the new deal, Orlando could cut him and pay him the 60 mil over more than 3 yrs (last I hard it was 8-10 years) therefore taking reducing the financial hit.

[ex carrabba fan]

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So glad the NBA is back. After getting booted from Dancing with the Stars, I gotta get my Metta World Peace fix.

Unless LA amnesty's him, lol.

[Jasong7777]

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Unless LA amnesty's him, lol.

Yep. I just want world peace.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Take someone like Arenas. He has like 3 yr/ 60 mil left on his contract. Without Amnesty, Orlando wouldn't cut him for two reasons: 1) the cap hit and 2) that they would have to pay him the 60 mil over the next 3yrs anyway. Under the new deal, Orlando could cut him and pay him the 60 mil over more than 3 yrs (last I hard it was 8-10 years) therefore taking reducing the financial hit.

Oh I see, so basically they just rewrote the rules on cutting players. That makes sense, it also puts pressure on players to keep their performance up based on the contract they got, in order to not get cut and get their cash in spread out installments. I like that.