NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[Rawdeal28]

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i know im a little late but.......

[da ThRONe]

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A hard cap would kill basketball imo. Every few years a home grown player would have to leave the team because the team can't go over the cap to keep the player.

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I think under this new CBA less team will be able to afford going into the luxury tax. That's my problem. We know certain teams are going into the tax no matter how much it is.

They talk about rev sharing will it still be link to going into the luxury tax? If that's where the majority of rev sharing will come from most teams will be faced with the option if competing or turning a profit.

[wco81]

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If fewer teams are able to pay the luxury tax, then that just strengthens them versus the rest of the league.

[aholbert32]

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I think under this new CBA less team will be able to afford going into the luxury tax. That's my problem. We know certain teams are going into the tax no matter how much it is.

They talk about rev sharing will it still be link to going into the luxury tax? If that's where the majority of rev sharing will come from most teams will be faced with the option if competing or turning a profit.

The reasons why teams like Milwaukee and Sacramento don't turn a profit is because 1) they field non-competitive teams and 2) they have bad arena deals. OKC is profiting because it has a great team, great arena deal and fans that support the team.

This new CBA makes it so those teams can still break even while they attempt to create competitive teams. If they field competitive teams they can still make a profit throughout ticket prices, luxury suite prices, extra revenue from playoff games and merchandising revenue.

[Drewski]

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Exactly.

If this is going to continue to happen(which according the new CBA it won't after 2 years)then they should've either instituted a hard cap or just say "**** it, the Owner can spend as much as they want or as little as they want. It's about preventing this from becoming a regular thing which MOST people don't want to see. It can't be an isolated incident if you got 3 other players right now possibly planning to do the same **** the first 4 did last year.

Just to be clear, extend and trades have not been affected. Only sign and trades. Sign and trades have generally been used to create artificial cap situations so a team can sign a guy to a contract and then trade him to the team that has the player they really seek. Sign and trades are out after 2 years, extend and trades have not changed.

[ffaacc03]

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What I like the most is that there would be more player movement ... through the length of the whole new CBA and specially within the next 2 years.

Player movement is good, causes fluctuation of standings and my adrenalin to go to the roof in the offseason (due to expectation of where would players land and how) ... I just love to see it ... this next short FA would be exciting and crucial with the amnesties, available players and time constraint ... this year might even steal next year high expectations.

[ffaacc03]

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Just to be clear, extend and trades have not been affected. Only sign and trades. Sign and trades have generally been used to create artificial cap situations so a team can sign a guy to a contract and then trade him to the team that has the player they really seek. Sign and trades are out after 2 years, extend and trades have not changed.

Yes, but even those have been subject of new restrictions ... I think I read that teams ought to wait for some time after extending a player to then trade him away. Also, such transactions cannot exceed $4 mill past the lux tax line, which btw, was brought down while the punnitive taxes were upped.

In sum, I believe, this new deal brought a little bit of more reason/restraint to this "issues". I didnt want them eliminated but more regulated. I like the new concept of them, now lets see if they dont have back doors.

[Kashanova]

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Every team will play at least one back-to-back-to-back set (i.e. 3 straight nights), and up to 3 back-to-back-to-back sets during season.

Doesn't bode well for the older teams

[Drewski]

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Yes, but even those have been subject of new restrictions ... I think I read that teams ought to wait for some time after extending a player to then trade him away. Also, such transactions cannot exceed $4 mill past the lux tax line, which btw, was brought down while the punnitive taxes were upped.

In sum, I believe, this new deal brought a little bit of more reason/restraint to this "issues". I didnt want them eliminated but more regulated. I like the new concept of them, now lets see if they dont have back doors.

I agree with everything you said, I wasn't stating Extend and Trades are still there as smooth as before, but it doesn't change after two years under this cba. The only thing to consider is a team can't sign and trade a guy in order to help match caps in an extend and trade scenario.

Also, this CBA lasts 10 years, with an opt out after 6. Not sure if anyone stated that yet.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Prepare for some sloppy Basketball for the first 2 months and I think by about mid February you should see some improved play.

And what's the difference between a Sign and Trade and an Extend and Trade? Don't they basically mean the samething?

[Drewski]

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Prepare for some sloppy Basketball for the first 2 months and I think by about mid February you should see some improved play.

And what's the difference between a Sign and Trade and an Extend and Trade? Don't they basically mean the samething?

Sign and Trades are like... picking up random guy who wasnt on your team or any team (a free agent) and signing him to a deal so you can use him to trade (because you need the contract youve given him to help match cap restrictions). Extend and Trade is the Melo (and soon to be CP3 and Dwight) scenario.

[Dwadefan]

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Yes can now change my sig back to HEAT!!! lets go Heat!! Mavs are gonna win on Christmas though because the Heat cant beat the Mavs in the regular season

[ffaacc03]

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Sign and Trades are like... picking up random guy who wasnt on your team or any team (a free agent) and signing him to a deal so you can use him to trade (because you need the contract youve given him to help match cap restrictions). Extend and Trade is the Melo (and soon to be CP3 and Dwight) scenario.

Right, thus I believe that there also used to be other differences as well ... I have to double check and research as I am not sure but I think they are related to:
- how the salary was considered for trading porpuses within both deals ... like in one is only considering the 1st year salary and in the other deal, considers an average payment per year instead
- when could they be traded, with different timeframes.

[da ThRONe]

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The reasons why teams like Milwaukee and Sacramento don't turn a profit is because 1) they field non-competitive teams and 2) they have bad arena deals. OKC is profiting because it has a great team, great arena deal and fans that support the team.

This new CBA makes it so those teams can still break even while they attempt to create competitive teams. If they field competitive teams they can still make a profit throughout ticket prices, luxury suite prices, extra revenue from playoff games and merchandising revenue.

Wasn't OKC one of the 22 teams that lost money last year?

If the increase profit sharing isn't linked to the luxury tax like I suspect it is then there's some hope.

[aholbert32]

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Wasn't OKC one of the 22 teams that lost money last year?

If the increase profit sharing isn't linked to the luxury tax like I suspect it is then there's some hope.

I never believed that 22 teams lost money and the union always argued that it was actually closer to 10. Most teams either broke even or lost a little bit of money which can be "cooked" to make it look like each team lost a significant amount. I remember hearing Hunter say that teams were using things like the amount a new owner paid for their team as a loss on the accounting sheets. I wouldn't be surprised if Bennett did that.

Here is a good blog about that:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/A-tutorial-on-how-NBA-owners-legally-cook-the-bo?urn=nba-wp5834

Not sure about Revenue Sharing but I wouldn't be surprised if it was similar to the NFL system that is based solely on each team's revenue.