NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[WTF]

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What was the reply Marino?

[Marino]

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What was the reply Marino?

Can't really remember, getting spammed by all his followers right now. lol

[Dame]

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Care to give a reason why or are you just supporting the player because you like the players?

from my view the owners put themselves in this predicament with horrible signings(i'm tired of protecting people from themselves just like the banks), and i think the money some teams are losing could me made up shared revenue(but i'm only going by what i'm reading i could be wrong)

But I don't care that much to argue over the issues or get mad at either side yes selfishly i want them to settle it but if I was a Player I would be fighting the for what the Union is doing and if I was a Owner I would be fighting for what the owners want. in my eyes they both are fighting for more money in their own pockets

[Dame]

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Plenty of people here were in support of them before but they've definitely lost some support from people with some of the idiotic things they've been saying/doing over time.

Oh yes they do i'm praying someone dont say the "i cant feed my family" line

[TheMatrix31]

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What was the reply Marino?

Something about getting the facts straight.

[aholbert32]

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Has anybody trolled Dan Gilbert(http://twitter.com/#!/cavsdan) or Robert Sarver(http://twitter.com/#!/robby_sarver) Twitter accounts?

Com'on, let's be fair about this. Players can get their share of the blame but I see too many people letting the owners off the hook for this mess. I see too many people making this a one sided affair and some of us are not looking at the bigger picture. Yes, the players are opening their mouths too much and just saying all the wrong things. BUT there are some who focus on stupidity too much and we miss the other end of the problem.

I'll admit, I do have somewhat of a bias towards the players. BUT they are ****ing this up big time. And they have painted themselves in a corner that they're not going to get out of. As I stated before, if they wanted to win this war they would have took a page out of the MLBPA and held a players strike back in March. Could you imagine the panic the owners would have went through if that would have happened? That number of 22 teams loosing money would have went up to at least 28. Yes, players would have lost money as well BUT on the heels of a great season the owners would have thought Armageddon was happening.

Billy Hunter probably should have followed through on his plan to have players strike at the All Star game last year. That would have gotten some attention. And they probably would have realized how much power they were carrying. But alas, that time has past and they just need to concede right now.

Here is my issue Dice: WE ALL KNOW THEY ARE GOING TO FOLD EVENTUALLY. If they dont fold today, the owners have no incentive to start the season in January or even this entire year. We are talking about the difference between 30 billionaires and 750 millionaires. The 30 billionaires have other revenue streams. The 750 dont. They have multiple houses and cars and child support payments.

So all this Stand United BS is counter productive. You notice that every player I've seen tweet this Stand United crap is in the top 10% of players. All Max deal players....Lebron, Richardson, Paul, Melo, Wade. Other than Fisher and Mason who are on the Union board, I havent seen any mid level players tweet this. Why? Because they cant afford to miss paychecks while we wait for the Owners and Union to stop playing around.

Let the league miss a year. I'll guarantee you there will be a hard cap with the players getting below 50%. The league will probably contract 2 teams (Sacramento and New Orleans) and that will lead to 30 jobs lost for the union. All of this because the Players wont drop from 53%. They have no leverage. It just that they dont realize it.

[aholbert32]

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from my view the owners put themselves in this predicament with horrible signings(i'm tired of protecting people from themselves just like the banks), and i think the money some teams are losing could me made up shared revenue(but i'm only going by what i'm reading i could be wrong)

But I don't care that much to argue over the issues or get mad at either side yes selfishly i want them to settle it but if I was a Player I would be fighting the for what the Union is doing and if I was a Owner I would be fighting for what the owners want. in my eyes they both are fighting for more money in their own pockets

Shared Revenue wont cover the 300 mil in losses.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Here is my issue Dice: WE ALL KNOW THEY ARE GOING TO FOLD EVENTUALLY. If they dont fold today, the owners have no incentive to start the season in January or even this entire year. We are talking about the difference between 30 billionaires and 750 millionaires. The 30 billionaires have other revenue streams. The 750 dont. They have multiple houses and cars and child support payments.

So all this Stand United BS is counter productive. You notice that every player I've seen tweet this Stand United crap is in the top 10% of players. All Max deal players....Lebron, Richardson, Paul, Melo, Wade. Other than Fisher and Mason who are on the Union board, I havent seen any mid level players tweet this. Why? Because they cant afford to miss paychecks while we wait for the Owners and Union to stop playing around.

Let the league miss a year. I'll guarantee you there will be a hard cap with the players getting below 50%. The league will probably contract 2 teams (Sacramento and New Orleans) and that will lead to 30 jobs lost for the union. All of this because the Players wont drop to 53%. They have no leverage. It just that they dont realize it.

[Dice]

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Here is my issue Dice: WE ALL KNOW THEY ARE GOING TO FOLD EVENTUALLY. If they dont fold today, the owners have no incentive to start the season in January or even this entire year. We are talking about the difference between 30 billionaires and 750 millionaires. The 30 billionaires have other revenue streams. The 750 dont. They have multiple houses and cars and child support payments.

So all this Stand United BS is counter productive. You notice that every player I've seen tweet this Stand United crap is in the top 10% of players. All Max deal players....Lebron, Richardson, Paul, Melo, Wade. Other than Fisher and Mason who are on the Union board, I havent seen any mid level players tweet this. Why? Because they cant afford to miss paychecks while we wait for the Owners and Union to stop playing around.

Let the league miss a year. I'll guarantee you there will be a hard cap with the players getting below 50%. The league will probably contract 2 teams (Sacramento and New Orleans) and that will lead to 30 jobs lost for the union. All of this because the Players wont drop to 53%. They have no leverage. It just that they dont realize it.

Not disagreeing with you at all. Yes, the players just need to give in. I'm just actually appalled at some who are giving the owners a pass in this incident just because the of the players ignorance. Yeah, the 'Stand United' thing is somewhat useless now. I'm pretty sure if they were real about it, they would have did this back in March with a players strike. They would have definitely got their attention.

And with the owners getting somewhat of a victory, just makes me sick to my stomach. They could have been had but the Union and Bill Hunter screwed it up.

[King_B_Mack]

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LOL And people actually support these idiots.

Yep. They may have some guys saying stupid stuff but that doesn't suddenly mean they deserve to get railroaded in a deal. That said, Carmelo and a few others do need to shut the **** up and let this thing run it's course.

[djep]

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I support the players in this as well. In the end I know why I watch NBA basketball and it's definitely not to see the owners.

They're the attraction so why shouldn't they get the majority of the revenue? Asking for salary rollbacks of 7% right off the bat just so the owners, who don't provide me with any entertainment, can be guaranteed a year-over-year profit? NBA franchises continue to rise in value. Whenever they decide to sell their franchise, the owner will still make money. Owners can demand taxpayer funded arenas or threaten to leave bigger markets, like Seattle, to a smaller market like OKC and I'm supposed to feel sorry for them b/c they can't be guaranteed a year-over-year profit? Cry me a river. Open up their books for all of us to see exactly how they are losing money.

The NBA is the biggest players' league out of the major sports. Their stars are instantly recognizable, unobscured by helmets and facemasks or burdened by tradition to be as bland and robotic as possible. If any athlete deserves 10 year/$250M deals, it is the NBA player. The next time any of us tunes in to an NBA game to watch the owners then maybe I will side with management.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I'm just actually appalled at some who are giving the owners a pass in this incident just because the of the players ignorance

Don't know about anybody else but I've said plenty of times that the Owners are just as responsible for this as much as the players are, so I know I definitely haven't been giving them a pass. The only thing I've really disagreed with everybody on is the whole "Blaming the Owners for giving out the contracts" part because I can understand the whole deal behind that part.

But at least with the Owners, for the most part they've known when to speak up and when to shut up whereas the players have had a difficult time learning how to do one or the other, which is why I continue to dog them.

But saying you're appalled though...not really sure why you are just because everyone is supporting the players or laying full blame at the Owners' feet LOL.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Yep. They may have some guys saying stupid stuff but that doesn't suddenly mean they deserve to get railroaded in a deal. That said, Carmelo and a few others do need to shut the **** up and let this thing run it's course.

50-50 is getting railroaded now?

If any athlete deserves 10 year/$250M deals, it is the NBA player.

Yeah, you don't really believe this at all and anybody that really does....may the force be with you...or at least in your brain.

[TheMatrix31]

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I support the players in this as well. In the end I know why I watch NBA basketball and it's definitely not to see the owners.

They're the attraction so why shouldn't they get the majority of the revenue? Asking for salary rollbacks of 7% right off the bat just so the owners, who don't provide me with any entertainment, can be guaranteed a year-over-year profit? NBA franchises continue to rise in value. Whenever they decide to sell their franchise, the owner will still make money. Owners can demand taxpayer funded arenas or threaten to leave bigger markets, like Seattle, to a smaller market like OKC and I'm supposed to feel sorry for them b/c they can't be guaranteed a year-over-year profit? Cry me a river. Open up their books for all of us to see exactly how they are losing money.

The NBA is the biggest players' league out of the major sports. Their stars are instantly recognizable, unobscured by helmets and facemasks or burdened by tradition to be as bland and robotic as possible. If any athlete deserves 10 year/$250M deals, it is the NBA player. The next time any of us tunes in to an NBA game to watch the owners then maybe I will side with management.

In which industry does the employee ever make more than the employer?

NBA players deserve 10 year, 250 mill deals the most? Why? So their egos can become even bigger and they can become even bigger primadonna annoyances?

Of course we tune in to watch the players. That fact, however, is irrelevant in this discussion.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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And people remember this: The NBA is a Lifestyle League and the LAST thing they need to be get are $250 Mil deals especially when half of them are going broke off of $100 Mil deals.