NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[Dame]

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from the reliable Darren Rovell

Hear that formal gap in NBA negotiations is closer to $1.6 billion (on 7 year deal). 50-50 deal was never in stone, still was at 47-53.

Thats a big gap I doubt they get a deal done today but i hope

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Did you not post an article on here a few pages back that even mentioned how the 50-50 isn't exactly this fair even split that we're all believing it is because it has 50-50 in the title. You posted something about BRI still not accounting for all the league's money so giving the players a 50-50 split of that still isn't sharing all the loot they'll be hauling in on top of the givebacks the players are already giving. I'm sure the Union have far smarter people than us posting here with all the numbers and information right in front of them on why 50-50 isn't this glorious offering that it's being trumped up to be by the owners and honestly I've not seen a single thing in good faith from the owners and Stern in this whole mess for 50-50 to have suddenly been pulled out of someone's *** in good faith.

And you still think/believe the players are getting railroaded? That's the issue I had with what you said because that ain't true at all and you and I both know this.

Now the longer they wait and let this drag out, then they'll be getting railroaded but at that point, the Players would have nobody to blame but themselves and/or Hunter and Fisher for it. Which is why people are saying for them to take the 50-50 NOW because if they think they can sit out a year and somehow get a better deal next year, we'll they're in for a rude awakening.

[23]

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Is that another max level player standing united....LOL. Nash is doing ****ing FIFA commercials, getting endorsement checks while Ty Lawson has to play in Lithuania to pay his mortgage.

Dont forget Durant was also in the whole we're standing united front as well

I dont even think they're allowing the little guys to talk but most likely they dont agree with this posturing thats for sure

[Altimus]

I support neither side. The players less. However, owners were fools last year with crazy overspending on players like Hakim Warrick. Playing with monopoly money in hope the new CBA saves their ***.

Either way the players will lose out. As mentioned owned have real revenue means. Places where they make serious profit and isn't considered more of a hobby than a business. Owners also have time. Players don't. Another year gets tallied to their careers.

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[aholbert32]

Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Barganing Agreement Discussion

from the reliable Darren Rovell



Thats a big gap I doubt they get a deal done today but i hope

Rovell is wrong. He's been wrong for the past few weeks and he isnt following the negotiations closely. Follow guys like Yahoo's Wojo and CBS's Berger for the real news.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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The rank and file are overseas playing basketball. I dont even think they have Twitter in Lithuania and Turkey.

And based on what I've read and heard, they won't be able to survive more than a year playing overseas and the Owners know this.

And from the Owners to the Players, in the words of Kanye West:

You'll never find nobody better than me.

[OSUFan_88]

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Ray Allen has changed his tune.....I dont know if he talked with someone who actually knows the situation or realized hes one of the "millionares" hes talking about...but hes expressed his support since.

I dont mind the players being united, they should be. Me personally, I dont have a side, I want basketball.

I dont understand how some can say on one hand "owners were forced to give out bad contracts", but on the other hand cant get how someone doesnt want to take a paycut from the job theyve earned. The latter is much more relatable I would think.

Or maybe its just me....I just took a paycut, and I have a meeting in a month to talk about if we should be taking more....sure, I can feed my family fine....but ive worked to be in the lifestyle im in. ****, I wont go on about myself lol.

whatever, I just want ball.

The players should take a pay cut because they aren't making as much money to what the owners are spending. The system was built upon multiple superstars drawing in much more than the Owners need to run the franchise. The owners were making hand over fist money at 43%. Now, the players cannot draw as much money because they aren't Jordan, Malone, Stockton ect and the league is not as profitable. The owners, however, have had to keep giving out bigger contracts because of the BRI split and how much the players earn and the cap.

So while the owners are losing money, they were paying more for the players. And the owners were losing money.

This isn't about cutting salary, it's about creating a system that doesn't eat itself from the inside out. Who is going to want to buy a basketball team that bleeds money? Which is why the owners are taking a hard stance, because the future of the NBA could be bleak if they accepted the same terms. Meanwhile, the Players "have never accepted anything less than 53%" and that's their only defense against what the owners are bringing.

It's stupidity and the players are going to find out what a dangerous game they are playing.

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..but it never has to go that far

Im not sure what they're holding on standing united for

ITS OVER! The dudes who earned you those big checks you enjoyed...some of them are owners now, and they got paid like crap when they busted their behinds

[Dame]

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And based on what I've read and heard, they won't be able to survive more than a year playing overseas and the Owners know this.

And from the Owners to the Players, in the words of Kanye West:

You'll never find nobody better than me.

I hope the players are not banking on overseas as a backup plan

[OSUFan_88]

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Well, they have reached an agreement on the Mid Level Exception.

[aholbert32]

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And based on what I've read and heard, they won't be able to survive more than a year playing overseas and the Owners know this.

And from the Owners to the Players, in the words of Kanye West:

You'll never find nobody better than me.

Stern made a great point at the last press conference. When asked about players going overseas, he said "Its a choice of going overseas in making a million or forcing the union to make a deal and getting 4 million"

[aholbert32]

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One hurdle down:

Mid level exception changes agreed to by both sides:

http://www.nba.com/2011/news/features/david_aldridge/10/10/encouraging-sign/index.html

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Is this new or was this already known?

Owners have been reluctant to go even to 50 percent, according to sources with knowledge of the discussions, while several prominent player agents and high-profile players have been adamant in asking the union to stick to 53 percent. But both sides have discussed, at least conceptually, coming to 51 percent. with Stern talking to the players about a "window" between 49 percent and 51 percent of BRI last week. The players countered with an offer of a guaranteed 51 percent that could rise to 53 percent.

[23]

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Yeah but I think this was what yesterday was about..taking care of the system stuff like that

I want to know whats up with the main deal

[23]

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Is this new or was this already known?

Cant leave well enough alone huh

Its just crazy they wont let go of that number