NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[ProfessaPackMan]

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David "Bodies Buried" Stern comes with the "we conceeded and conceeded" line....

and hook, line, and sinker....yall are a trip man.

Damn sure ain't get me because I told ya'll this was gonna happen way back but for some reason, ya'll wanted to keep hope alive like they were really gonna squash their differences and come to an agreement in time, when they've shown time and time again that neither of them cared one way if a season was lost or not.

When you got two groups who are stuck in that mindset for quite some time then there's no reason to think any animosity they have towards one another would be gone just like that.

I know for me, this isn't about Pro Player or Pro Owner but more about common sense(not trying to insult anyone)especially if you've followed this whole thing and seen what went down in the NFL Lockout.

[J_Posse]

At the very least, we know they put 49% on the table.

Flat out, I don't want the players to succeed in keeping the power anyway. I hate what they have turned the game of basketball into, a glorified pickup game where players get to choose who they want to play with, rules be damned.

Why should one decision by three individuals dictate how things are done? Hurt feelings should know effect the free-agency market? I completely disagree, man. What about guys like Duncan who stay and reward the city with championships? No, let's just eliminate the entire idea of free-agency because the summer of '10 and LeBron.

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[RedSceptile]

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Detroit isn't a big market yet they have the Red Wings, Tigers, and Lions? All winning teams? I'm sorry but a baseball team that is never going to make the playoffs because Boston signs all the players isn't going to cut it. Miami only signed one of your players and possibly the best player in the league, but they aren't big. New Jersey only was going for Melo, who was almost ready to accept it, but that isn't a big market. To say that Toronto, CA is a bigger market than Boston is probably the funniest thing I've ever heard. Google the biggest NBA markets...or sports markets, see what you get.

Basketball Market=/=Sports Market

If that was the case I'd only focus on Chicago, New York and so on. In terms of basketball Miami isn't a big market. Signing LeBron is good and all but in terms of consistency they've been middle of the pack in terms of attendance years before. I'm only talking about basketball don't be facetious here.

[OSUFan_88]

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Why should one decision by three individuals dictate how things are done? Hurt feelings should know effect the free-agency market? I completely disagree, man. What about guys like Duncan who stay and reward the city with championships? No, let's just eliminate the entire idea of free-agency because the summer of '10 and LeBron.

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Three guys?

Artest
Amar'e
Carmelo
Deron
LeBron
Bosh

And soon to add:

Dwight
CP3

So, yeah, more than "just three guys"

[authentic]

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Basketball Market=/=Sports Market

If that was the case I'd only focus on Chicago, New York and so on. In terms of basketball Miami isn't a big market. Signing LeBron is good and all but in terms of consistency they've been middle of the pack in terms of attendance years before. I'm only talking about basketball don't be facetious here.

But Toronto has been way up there in attendance before? Honestly man, until the Raptors win more than 25 games, don't call them a larger market than Boston. Toronto will never be a huge basketball market, simple as that. Every Canadian I know laughs at the Raptors at how big of a joke they are, even a guy from Toronto said he'd go for the beer prices and to laugh at how bad they are. Also, he said people go to see the top stars play, not the Raptors. Just a thought to think about coming from someone who knows quite a few people from Toronto.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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No, let's just eliminate the entire idea of free-agency because the summer of '10 and LeBron.

A part of me still believes that when all of this went down that they pretty much made the decision that they were going to lockout the players, especially with how stupid Lebron made some of them look that offseason.

And once that happened, the Owners probably said to each other that would be the LAST time they let a player have them look foolish like that in public.

[RedSceptile]

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I don't get it since when did wanting to play basketball somewhere else suddenly become a deplorable...?

[The 24th Letter]

Damn sure ain't get me because I told ya'll this was gonna happen way back but for some reason, ya'll wanted to keep hope alive like they were really gonna squash their differences and come to an agreement in time, when they've shown time and time again that neither of them cared one way if a season was lost or not.

When you got two groups who are stuck in that mindset for quite some time then there's no reason to think any animosity they have towards one another would be gone just like that.

I know for me, this isn't about Pro Player or Pro Owner but more about common sense(not trying to insult anyone)especially if you've followed this whole thing and seen what went down in the NFL Lockout.

you assumed correctly, I applaud you....

I kept hope alive because the people actually close to the situation kept hope alive....as far as I know none of us were in that room negotiating. When the NFL stuff was going on, there plenty doom and gloom reports. We dont know **** until its deal or no deal....but once again, you called it, thats whats up lol...

[For The Win]

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Three guys?

Artest
Amar'e
Carmelo
Deron
LeBron
Bosh

And soon to add:

Dwight
CP3

So, yeah, more than "just three guys"

At the end of the day we are all on the same side. Not the players, not the owners, but we are all on the side of the fans. Without us, the NBA is nothing.

[VanCitySportsGuy]

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Being a big market doesn't just rely on population. Yes, it has a huge part in it, but the most relevance when they talk about a "huge market" is being in a city that has many great sports teams, a large media outlet, and a team that sells out every game. Toronto is a huge place, but that might be the only thing they have going for them. Middle level attendance, I don't think Canada hurts them, it's more the media part of it. I feel like someday, Toronto is going to get sick of the Raps, mainly because their attendance has slowly gone down. I have a feeling we won't have any Canadian teams at some point in the near future. Anyways, back to the lockout, not talking about the big markets...haha

The majority of corporations and media in Canada are located in Toronto.

Considering the Raptors have won 1 playoff series in franchise history and attendance is still solid, the Raptors aren't going anywhere.

The Raptors are a very healthy franchise.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Three guys?

Artest
Amar'e
Carmelo
Deron
LeBron
Bosh

And soon to add:

Dwight
CP3

So, yeah, more than "just three guys"

Deron?

1234char

[OSUFan_88]

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I don't get it since when did wanting to play basketball somewhere else suddenly become a deplorable...?

When they colluded to creating super teams and creating their own league.

It's the key reason why we are here.

The players and owners both think they run the NBA.

[OSUFan_88]

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Deron?

1234char

Deron had been bitching about Utah for a while.

It was clear he was teaming up with someone.

[Dice]

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When they colluded to creating super teams and creating their own league.

It's the key reason why we are here.

The players and owners both think they run the NBA.

I thought it was the escalating players salaries and teams loosing money was the reason why.

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you assumed correctly, I applaud you....

I kept hope alive because the people actually close to the situation kept hope alive....as far as I know none of us were in that room negotiating. When the NFL stuff was going on, there plenty doom and gloom reports. We dont know **** until its deal or no deal....but once again, you called it, thats whats up lol...

Yeah but that was more talk than action... the NFL always had more to lose and always guarantee profits much more than the NBA

At this point... again, think about it, it was the players decision to make. Do you really want to play basketball or argue about a few percentage points