NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

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LOL... well im not smashing on Lebron per say, but its the continual stupid things they keep saying thats making the situation non favorable

[DukeC]

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DO YOU SEE WHAT YOU HAVE DONE TO ME LEBRON!? DO YOU SEE IT!?

God help me, I'm agreeing with Steven A Smith...Dear God, I'm agreeing with Steve A Smith.

I'm going to lock myself in a bathroom and cry for a good hour. Excuse me...

I haven't seen Stepehen A Smith since his show was taken off ESPN....

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That was lebron's 2nd tweet in the day about the NFL, btw which probably promoted the scream rant lol

[The 24th Letter]

LOL... well im not smashing on Lebron per say, but its the continual stupid things they keep saying thats making the situation non favorable

Yeah, they def have been saying some dumb things...

that tweet didnt warrant all THAT though...Skip was in heaven in that segment

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I havent heard Skip say anything this entire time, and I think I was better off for it after seeing this

[aholbert32]

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This is true. BUT what about teams not in marketable areas? It's easy to give out names like Sterling, Buss or Dolan. BUT what of Herb Simon? Or the Maloofs? Or even Michael Hinsley? These guys own teams where it matters whether they win. Where as, if your in LA, Chicago or New York, win or loose, your team is making money.

And Cuban in the beginning took a hit financially for a couple of years on the Mavericks. BUT he did have the patients to wait it out and finally get a return on his investment. Unlike some of these new owners who expect to make a profit in a small market right after the team won 20 games.

Simon is losing money because of bad drafting and an inability to go over the luxury tax like the big city teams can. The Maloofs arent broke because of the Kings. They are broke because they are over leveraged with the Palms casinos and a bunch of other bad deals. Hinsley isnt losing money on the Grizz. He got a sweetheart deal from the city of Memphis when they moved from Vancouver.

None of these are bad investments. You shouldnt be expected to lose money if you have own a basketball team.

[da ThRONe]

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This is the 2nd Lockout thread is it not? And from what I recall, the majority of posts in their were either for defending the players and/or saying the Owners are just as responsible for this, if not more.

But then you Throne continuing to post the same crap about "Oh, so the Players are to blame" when NOBODY has said that AT ALL and I'm not sure why folks keep insinuating that when nobody is saying that.

Unless you're one of the Top 10%, this doesn't apply for everyone and even then, they couldn't survive over there long term financially like they would over here.

See earlier post.

And about the Woj part, as far as I know, me and Dre were the only ones on here taking their stuff with a grain of salt. Everyone else on the both sides seemed to think everything that came out from whoever was gospel.

If you want to call somebody out do some research. Somebody else made a comment about the players not being victims. Nobody is saying the players are the victim, just like nobody is saying the owners are victims.

Before the lock out I was clearly on the owners side when they open their books and showed the players they were losing money. I have several post stating so. The players are willing to concede approximately 200 million, and are willing to concede to a strictier salary cap structure(which they don't want). All of this while they aren't getting any thing new that benefits them from the new CBA. I think the consession that the players are making is fair(especially when you consider they aren't getting anything in return).

[mvb34]

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DAMN! TWO years? Well, I'm not too sure how the NBA will survive with two complete seasons cancelled. Unless they get replacement players. And that's about as risky as the players de-certifying.

The first year would kill the players financially. BUT they still have some option to go overseas. What option do the owners have if the season is gone for two seasons? People harp on the idea of players starting their own league. The owners using scabs wouldn't sustain the NBA for more than a year.

Overseas is not a real option...

[Dice]

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Simon is losing money because of bad drafting and an inability to go over the luxury tax like the big city teams can. The Maloofs arent broke because of the Kings. They are broke because they are over leveraged with the Palms casinos and a bunch of other bad deals. Hinsley isnt losing money on the Grizz. He got a sweetheart deal from the city of Memphis when they moved from Vancouver.

None of these are bad investments. You shouldnt be expected to lose money if you have own a basketball team.

Which the point I was making, you can't make money if your not winning in these small markets. And profitability is still not guaranteed. In the few big markets you have, profitability will come no matter what the results are on the floor.

So in the end, owning a basketball team is a very volatile business. There are no guarantees to make money.

[Dice]

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Overseas is not a real option...

Ok. Explain what is a REAL option?

If you mean a PROFITABLE option, then yes I'd agree. But there is no law stating that a professional basketball player cannot go overseas...well, unless your Delonte West and the judge that's watching your probation case won't let you.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Screamin' A, all I have to say is....about damn time man.

About damn time LOL.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Ok. Explain what is a REAL option?

If you mean a PROFITABLE option, then yes I'd agree. But there is no law stating that a professional basketball player cannot go overseas...well, unless your Delonte West and the judge that's watching your probation case won't let you.

Nobody is saying this though LOL(at least I know I wasn't when I said this earlier).

What people are saying when they say it's not a real option is as far being financially stable over the LONG TERM.

So yeah, of course they have options per se....doesn't mean that they're all GOOD options but at the sametime, it's better than not having any at all.

[Altimus]

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Screamin' A, all I have to say is....about damn time man.

About damn time LOL.

Unquestionably damn time, unquestionably!

[aholbert32]

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Stern is on WFAN now:


"Stern: "It's time to make a deal. If we don't make it Tuesday , my gut ... is that we won't be playing on Christmas Day."

"Says mediator is a "really big deal" because owners meetings immediately after. If they don't make a deal by then, Stern will "despair."

"Stern is now killing Billy Hunter as a leader. Says union proposed 50/50, then Hunter was absent and silent as it failed with KG, Kobe etc."

"Stern says league has proposed cutting unperforming players and paying them over twice as much time. - Amnesty Clause"

[da ThRONe]

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Players getting killed on an internet forum? and that means what?

The average person has disdain for them because of their salaries and the attitudes they display in spite of everyone else's situation and adjustments to the world

Anyhow, they're the ones taking stupid quotes to the internet and sounding like dumb goofballs with wack twitter campaigns and lying to the fans about how weluvuguys

Both parties do have a part, but as stated many times... its on the players to give it up so the season can get going...the ball is in their court.

When are the owners going to start doing their part?

Based of the last CBA which is how negotiations works. The players are giving back 5% of the BRI, shorter contract years, and a more strict salary cap. So what is it the owners are conceding from the last CBA?