NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

**Altimus** · 10-13-2011, 05:14 PM

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Barkley needs to be made the Union President.

23 · 10-13-2011, 05:14 PM

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Got some more too

Miller basically credited Michael Jordan for being the hero of the 1998-99 lockout, which reduced the season to 50 games.

"In '98-'99, we were having a meeting in New York and all the players were supposed to be there," Miller said. "Michael Jordan supposedly had just retired. When we all got there, there was Michael Jordan getting ready to face off with some of the owners and the commissioner and he almost got into a shouting argument with the late, great Abe Pollin.

"Michael Jordan was going at Commissioner Stern and Pollin talking about if you keep writing these bad checks to these bad players maybe you need to give up ownership of your team. Michael Jordan was, and still is, the greatest basketball player ever and he was stepping up for the players. I have wished all along that Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Carmelo Anthony and others would step up."

**aholbert32** · 10-13-2011, 05:17 PM

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Originally posted by da ThRONe

How are we giving credit to the owners for pulling an arbitrary percent out of their ***es? The players could have done the samething. They could ask for 65% then give back 10% for a 55% share of the BRI.

For the last time...there is no cba. If 47 is arbitrary...so is 57%. I dont care if thats what the previous deal was, there is no deal now. So the players arent giving up anything. If this was an amendment to the CBA then I would understand your point but its not. Its a new deal. So everything is arbitrary right now.

**Dice** · 10-13-2011, 05:21 PM

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Originally posted by 23

Got some more too

I thought we weren't bringing up Jordan?

**da ThRONe** · 10-13-2011, 05:23 PM

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Originally posted by Marino

I understand you are pro player and no matter what people say, you will whine about how the owners are the devil, but they could have stuck to 46% and went to 50%. Players are the ones that need to make the deal, not the owners, it's a lockout...remember?

Just like I told Pack when all this started I was pro owners. So that completely makes your comment false. I felt the players had to give and guess what that's exactly what's taking place. The owners are the ones that are saying what union is giving isn't enough.

**ProfessaPackMan** · 10-13-2011, 05:28 PM

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Certainly have a different tone in this, especially compared to what you were saying while this was in it's early stages.

Still stand by what I said earlier however.

**da ThRONe** · 10-13-2011, 05:29 PM

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Originally posted by OSUFan_88

lol, a more strict salary cap?

Isn't that one of the major sticking points? The owners want one and the players are saying over their dead body?

And shorter contract years is a benefit to both sides. Rookies get out of their contract sooner, owners get out of bad contracts sooner.

As for the BRI, that was necessary to even have an NBA. The players knew they had to give some back and the owners need to have some back. Now it's over a % here and a % there.

The players don't need to get any major concessions back. They have been feasting off of a bad system for years. Why should they get something for allowing them to fix a bad situation?

The players have agreed to higher luxury tax penalty. Just not as much as the ownersand want.

Whether shorter contract are better or not the players don't want it.

These are negotiations it give and take. The players have forfeited their option to "take" in return to avoid radical changes. That's fair IMO.

**Dice** · 10-13-2011, 05:31 PM

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Originally posted by da ThRONe

Just like I told Pack when all this started I was pro owners. So that completely makes your comment false. I felt the players had to give and guess what that's exactly what's taking place. The owners are the ones that are saying what union is giving isn't enough.

But of course, giving up 4% of the BRI worth $560 million dollars is just not enough! Those greedy players!

**Marino** · 10-13-2011, 05:32 PM

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Originally posted by Dice

But of course, giving up 4% of the BRI worth $560 million dollars is just not enough! Those greedy players!

Most of the owners want to turn a profit. Those greedy owners!

**da ThRONe** · 10-13-2011, 05:36 PM

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Originally posted by aholbert32

For the last time...there is no cba. If 47 is arbitrary...so is 57%. I dont care if thats what the previous deal was, there is no deal now. So the players arent giving up anything. If this was an amendment to the CBA then I would understand your point but its not. Its a new deal. So everything is arbitrary right now.

No insult intended but I think it's naive to say the last agreement isn't the starting point during negotiations. Other wise both parties can throw out numbers and/or demands that are ridiculous. This is not an example of negotiating in good faith something the Stern has mentioned several times during this process.

If I'm in any union no way I let the league/employer run over us let the owners are attempting to do.

**Dice** · 10-13-2011, 05:37 PM

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LOL!

I think you meant, they need to learn how to make a profit while running a basketball franchise! Those dumb owners!

**ProfessaPackMan** · 10-13-2011, 05:39 PM

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The players(aka Top 10%)have no one else to blame but them for allowing the Owners to try and **** them over that easily.

So this whole "Oh the Players(Top 10%)aren't gonna let the Owners give them a bad deal" phrase is dead and done because that's exactly what's going to happen.

23 · 10-13-2011, 05:43 PM

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Barkley on the 1998 lockout and today:

Will it play out like it did in 1998? "I do not see it playing out like it did in 1998. You can't compare the two. We have been in a recession for three years and I think we as players have to be realistic. These owners are hurting and the only thing that hasn't gone down in the last three years is players’ salaries and those are going to continue to escalate.

We can't have all our stars playing in major markets. It's not fair to the game and not fair to the system. We have always had great players in smaller markets. And to be honest, it's always been about money. You can have a bad team in a small market but if you at least have one star, that team can make some money as they have something to sell to the public.

But, if we don't have stars in these smaller markets, they are not going to survive. The owners have drawn a line in the sand. Unless they get 50/50, a hard salary cap or a better luxury tax, they are not going to play. Period."

**DukeC** · 10-13-2011, 05:45 PM

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Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan

The players(aka Top 10%)have no one else to blame but them for allowing the Owners to try and **** them over that easily.

True. Most of the stars should have been involved in the process since the beginning.

Would it have helped the negotiations? Maybe. Do we think the Owners would have the courage to confront and maybe offend some of thier highest paid players? Would David Stern have allowed for example, some of the owners to just completely disrespect Lebron or Kobe to the point of disgust? How about some of the stars that only have 1 year left on thier deals? Would they have risked anialiating (Stupid spellcheck not working

) Chris Paul, Deron Williams, or Dwight Howard?

I believe the more ego involved the worse the negotiations would have been. Weren't we just arguing about how the average NBA player should be negotiating and having a voice? Having the star players in this negotiation would point to the opposite.....

**ProfessaPackMan** · 10-13-2011, 05:47 PM

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We can't have all our stars playing in major markets. It's not fair to the game and not fair to the system. We have always had great players in smaller markets. And to be honest, it's always been about money. You can have a bad team in a small market but if you at least have one star, that team can make some money as they have something to sell to the public.

And even this isn't a guarantee anymore, especially with what went down with Melo, what's going down with CP3 and what will eventually go down with Duhwight.

I read Melo's comments earlier on his whole situation and he basically made it seem like he did no wrong(which technically to be fair he didn't).

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