NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

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Ill be honest, I can't stand the way Sarver killed that team because they would've made him some money very easily, easily marketable here for various reasons, but Amare making an assumption looking for a blame figure, and acting like Sarver has the biggest and only voice that makes everyone obeys?

One thing as you said he can't do is say Sarver gave out a ton of bad contracts and its all his fault that he's losing money because of all of those kinds of decisions because its not..

If Amare is at any of the negotiations they need to send him home

[Marino]

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Now look at Amare running his mouth. AGAIN.



Amare's upset that Sarver showed fiscal restraint and didn't cave in to the players. Good management by Sarver, shocking. Amare wanted (and got, from NY) all five years guaranteed but Sarver only guaranteed money for 3 of the years. For a guy with demonstrated health problems, Amare can go screw himself.

Remember, Amare also thinks the players can start up their own league. I hope he really isn't this delusional. Props to Sarver, stand strong. (Never thought I would give him props)

[da ThRONe]

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Now look at Amare running his mouth. AGAIN.



Amare's upset that Sarver showed fiscal restraint and didn't cave in to the players. Good management by Sarver, shocking. Amare wanted (and got, from NY) all five years guaranteed but Sarver only guaranteed money for 3 of the years. For a guy with demonstrated health problems, Amare can go screw himself.

While nothing the players say bother me because I don't expect much from them. I'm surprised that the union aren't asking the players to reframe from discussing the labor situation altogether.

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They asked the guys who dont make too much not to say anything and thats why you have Billy Hunter out there in the front destroying all of their leverage unbridled

[cjonesfan921]

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[QUOTE=da ThRONe;2042984470]And the players are the ones out there generating the revenue

Sir Charles mentioned the economic crisis, and that is also a huge part of this. Less fans are attending because of finances, fuel has gone up, (private team jets) and an array of other expenses, while the players keep making more, and the owners, less.]

The players are agreeing to take less



Both sides mean the owners need to be reasonable with their demands. They players are giving everything and getting nothing in return. I think they understand they have to concede. Now it's a matter of how much.



That's the players only leverage is FA and Melo used it to his advantage. Also Denver weren't forced to trade Melo they made the decision they thought was best for them.



I don't know you so I'm assuming here, but I would wager your skill doesn't generate billions in revenue.



That's the case here as well. The owners have pretty much all the leverage here, but that doesn't make them right. Also that's why employees start/join unions so they can have more leverage.



I don't think anybody is questioning what Stern has done for the sport, but that doesn't make him right here either. Also it doesn't mean his decision making has been good for the sport lately.



I think the players shouldn't discuss the labor situation. It's what the owners do. They hired Stern and they let him do almost all the talking.



Yet the teams will give big money to players that have not shown any reason to give people the idea they are worth it. Players like Ben Gordon, Travis Outlaw, Ed Curry, Ramon Sessions, Andris Biedrins etc. are getting big money without even proving they are worthy of it. How are we letting teams off the hook for giving out that kind of contracts to guys when most fans think it's bad deals.



Accountablity isn't blaming the other party and expecting them to make up all the losses from their end.

Players have already agree to less BRI percentage, shorter contracts, and a stricter salary cap structure. Now it's a matter of how much they will give.

I don't generate billions. But, I did help pay for the Barclays Arena!

They players have nothing to give! It's not theirs to begin with. It's the owners' money. At the end of the day, I will watch the sport of basketball, whether Lebron, 'Melo, Wade, Kobe, etc. are there or not.

[TheMatrix31]

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Ill be honest, I can't stand the way Sarver killed that team because they would've made him some money very easily, easily marketable here for various reasons, but Amare making an assumption looking for a blame figure, and acting like Sarver has the biggest and only voice that makes everyone obeys?

One thing as you said he can't do is say Sarver gave out a ton of bad contracts and its all his fault that he's losing money because of all of those kinds of decisions because its not..

If Amare is at any of the negotiations they need to send him home

You're tellin' me.

[da ThRONe]

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I don't generate billions. But, I did help pay for the Barclays Arena!

They players have nothing to give! It's not theirs to begin with. It's the owners' money. At the end of the day, I will watch the sport of basketball, whether Lebron, 'Melo, Wade, Kobe, etc. are there or not.

You are the super minority here. If the league thought replacing these guys were that easy that wouldn't make the money they do now, and/or the owners would hire replacement players and would have started the league on time.

[cjonesfan921]

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You are the super minority here. If the league thought replacing these guys were that easy that wouldn't make the money they do now, and/or the owners would hire replacement players and would have started the league on time.

You don't think there will be stars coming up soon enough? Good players are good players, it's all about how you market them. NBA would just have to do some super marketing, with Stern's track record, we know that it has been done before.

The players need the owners more than the other way around, that's for sure.

[bkrich83]

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You don't think there will be stars coming up soon enough? Good players are good players, it's all about how you market them. NBA would just have to do some super marketing, with Stern's track record, we know that it has been done before.

The players need the owners more than the other way around, that's for sure.

Bottom line the players need the NBA more than the owners need he players. These owners are already billionaire, successful businessmen. What would most of the players be without the NBA?

The owners can simply wait them out. It's their league, their money and at the end of the day they will still be billionaires, NBA or no NBA.

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Thats the problem and the same thing Reggie Miller alluded to. You are not as good as you think you are

Dont ever think those guys faces arent replaceable. If they ever think that, thats the main mistake that will cause their descension

[Marino]

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You are the super minority here. If the league thought replacing these guys were that easy that wouldn't make the money they do now, and/or the owners would hire replacement players and would have started the league on time.

They are replaceable. Superstars come and go.

[bkrich83]

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No one is irreplaceable.

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Let them take non guaranteed contracts like the NFL and then they will see

[cjonesfan921]

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Let them take non guaranteed contracts like the NFL and then they will see

If that was in place long ago, the Knicks would have benefited big time.

Another aspect that is intriguing, all these guys have 'monster' years during their last year of a contract. That is the big issue with guaranteed money. Both baseball and basketball, you see a lot of players who have huge years in a contract year, get big money, and fail to live up to even a quarter of their worth.

It's clear that guaranteed contracts need to be done away with.

The NFL has shown every league a model that works.

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If that was in place long ago, the Knicks would have benefited big time.

Another aspect that is intriguing, all these guys have 'monster' years during their last year of a contract. That is the big issue with guaranteed money. Both baseball and basketball, you see a lot of players who have huge years in a contract year, get big money, and fail to live up to even a quarter of their worth.

It's clear that guaranteed contracts need to be done away with.

The NFL has shown every league a model that works.

The NBAPA will never do that, but I do like the rule they're trying to implement where you can cut a player who doesnt work out and his salary comes off the payroll parts at a time..and the player is free, but so the owner gets some leverage as well

It cant be where this always works out lavishly for the players and the teams end up screwed. Thats why the blazers tried to hold out Darius Miles..the guy missed a ton of years and they still had to pay him and give him a big payout at the last day, even though he was traded. It was nauseating