LOL.. Shaq has a book forthcoming??

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Right, but how many times has this forum been over that topic

If there are no Laker homers in this thread why are they even being mentioned? Using that sort of language is only going to lead to the same pointless and stupid discussion that never leads to anything.

Isn't that horse dead enough

I dont know about this forum and what topic you're talking about...we're talking about Kobe and Shaq and leadership because of Shaq's book excerpts..

..and I never mentioned the words Lakers homers, please dont put things out there I didnt say.

..and sorry, I had a disagreement when someone's post and I stated why... isnt that the point of the discussion?

If anything you're making this bigger than what it is man, chill out.

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I don't agree with him

Kobe started off shooting airballs in the playoffs so talking to some vets about scoring the most points and all of that is garbage

Secondly, I dont care what these kobe fans say about Shaq, he simply dominated the league and was the main reason they won those rings because he was unstoppable.. I dont care about all this work ethic garbage they're spewing, the dude tore through the league into 3 finals MVPs.. I could care less about woulda coulda shoulda's.... just the facts.

Kobe has a knack for snitching and going into the media to take shots at guys then turn around and grovel when someone isnt on his train... give me a break..but thats his personality, what I dont care for is how his homer fans always try to defend his crap

The whole kobe is a leader thing only applies if his team wins...beyond that, its always everybody else's fault. The guy was shut down in the finals, ranted on teammates and the owner and GM in the media, had a team with no comraderie who didnt even talk to him, and he quit on them right in the middle of a playoff series and you're calling that leadership? pfft

It wasnt just those two guys faults (and be rest assured both of their attitudes sucked), the coach and management all had passive parts in the entire thing... threatening a fine was hardly enough

....wwharton I understand your scepticism on the details, and im sure it has Shaq's twist on it, but I dont think he's lying at all

I Can respect your opinion. Shaq was the main reason the Lakers won those 3 titles. He was fantastic and really stepped it up. Kobe Had some great performances as well so don't completely discount his contributions.
There is no excuse for Kobe's behavior early in his Career. He shifted the blame to others and that's not what a leader is supposed to do. He demanded a trade, stepped on people to get his way and acted like a child. However he learned from his mistake's and has been able to become the Leader in LA since 2008. I do not condone or defend his prior actions I simply state that he has changed as you can tell that he is giving 100% every game he goes out there regardless of the situation.

That being said the breaking point of the Lakers was when they went out and acquired Payton and Malone. I'm not sure that Gary understood the role of a "Point Guard" because he took the third most amount of shots per game for the Lakers. Karl Malone was right behind him in fourth place. The Relationship between Kobe and Shaq was bad enough as it is bringing in two former superstars who were the main scoring options for their former teams was simply the straw that broke the camels back. I truly believe that if the management did not try to go out and build "Team Superstar" it would have been different. There would have been less tension without Malone and Payton. Management should have also handled the situation better instead of waiting to the last possible moment and making tiny threats that meant nothing.

[ex carrabba fan]

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If you really wanna have a discussion on why your post about

"The whole kobe is a leader thing only applies if his team wins...beyond that, its always everybody else's fault. The guy was shut down in the finals, ranted on teammates and the owner and GM in the media, had a team with no comraderie who didnt even talk to him, and he quit on them right in the middle of a playoff series and you're calling that leadership?"

is wrong, we can do that.

I'm simply saying there's not really a need for it (we've all beaten the topic to death in the past here) and no need to even bring all of that other stuff up you did.

But sure, we can discuss it.

[Dice]

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Couldn't use another name to lable Pat Riley though? :lol I know what you meant but damn, a Slave Driver though?

As long as you don't use 'slave' and 'plantation' in the same sentence, then you should be all good.

In regards to Riles, he was a slave driver back in the days as the Lakers coach. Can you believe right after they swept the Sonics in the Western Conference Finals in 1987, this guy schedules a mini-training camp right before the Finals. Can you imagine the repercussions that a coach would get today if a coach did something like that?

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Riley was tough but he got results

He got something out of the Heat by doing it also..but dang sending a guy out for being 10 seconds late, dang Riles

[Dice]

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Riley was tough but he got results

He got something out of the Heat by doing it also..but dang sending a guy out for being 10 seconds late, dang Riles

No doubt about it. Riles is a hall of fame coach so I don't think anyone will question his methods.

But in regards to his days with the Lakers, his practices was real ruff. But back then, I've yet heard anyone complain in a negative way about his style. This attest to my belief that the players in the 80's were built a little tougher.

[ubernoob]

I can't wait to read what the big Aristotle has to say. It'll never be dull, I'd put my money on that.

And Kobe, a leader?

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[ex carrabba fan]

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I can't wait to read what the big Aristotle has to say. It'll never be dull, I'd put my money on that.

And Kobe, a leader?

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Might as well change the title of the thread now

Kobe may not go down as a great leader when it's all said and done, but managing to win two titles as the sole leader of his team is pretty impressive. Especially the win against Orlando where Andrew Bynum was out with injury.

Not sure what's so funny about that.

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No doubt about it. Riles is a hall of fame coach so I don't think anyone will question his methods.

But in regards to his days with the Lakers, his practices was real ruff. But back then, I've yet heard anyone complain in a negative way about his style. This attest to my belief that the players in the 80's were built a little tougher.

Yeah I agree with you on that, never heard those guys call him a slave master or any kind of crazy reference to his work ethic

Heat players did mention here or there how they had to do so much running and what not, or how if someone messed up they'd be running all day

Whatever it was, he took what Stan Van did to the next level pretty quickly

[ex carrabba fan]

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Yeah I agree with you on that, never heard those guys call him a slave master or any kind of crazy reference to his work ethic

Heat players did mention here or there how they had to do so much running and what not, or how if someone messed up they'd be running all day

Whatever it was, he took what Stan Van did to the next level pretty quickly

Maybe not a slave driver, but hopefully you understood what I meant.

He expects his players to be at peak physical condition and while other coaches may say they do the same thing, Riles isn't joking around.

[wwharton]

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I don't agree with him

Kobe started off shooting airballs in the playoffs so talking to some vets about scoring the most points and all of that is garbage

Secondly, I dont care what these kobe fans say about Shaq, he simply dominated the league and was the main reason they won those rings because he was unstoppable.. I dont care about all this work ethic garbage they're spewing, the dude tore through the league into 3 finals MVPs.. I could care less about woulda coulda shoulda's.... just the facts.

Kobe has a knack for snitching and going into the media to take shots at guys then turn around and grovel when someone isnt on his train... give me a break..but thats his personality, what I dont care for is how his homer fans always try to defend his crap

The whole kobe is a leader thing only applies if his team wins...beyond that, its always everybody else's fault. The guy was shut down in the finals, ranted on teammates and the owner and GM in the media, had a team with no comraderie who didnt even talk to him, and he quit on them right in the middle of a playoff series and you're calling that leadership? pfft

It wasnt just those two guys faults (and be rest assured both of their attitudes sucked), the coach and management all had passive parts in the entire thing... threatening a fine was hardly enough

....wwharton I understand your scepticism on the details, and im sure it has Shaq's twist on it, but I dont think he's lying at all

No doubt. I agree that Shaq was lazy and could've been better... but that's got nothing to do with this, except to say I don't think that had anything to do with Kobe's problems with him or vice versa. Like we've both said, Kobe was just a spoiled brat (a very talented one). I don't think Shaq is lying either but I most definitely think he's embellishing some details... not specifically with the Kobe situation but with EVERYTHING. That's what he does. Also in disputes like the one between he and Kobe there's always a different perception from both sides that doesn't quite represent the truth. So I take Shaq's "perception" and add his exaggeration and take it all with a grain of salt. There's truth mixed in there but I wouldn't take that book into court for anything.

No doubt about it. Riles is a hall of fame coach so I don't think anyone will question his methods.

But in regards to his days with the Lakers, his practices was real ruff. But back then, I've yet heard anyone complain in a negative way about his style. This attest to my belief that the players in the 80's were built a little tougher.

I'd just say the majority of the league was more mature. There weren't kids straight out of high school... hell not too many that didn't go to college for at least 3 years. The world was different also so today older men also aren't as mature (for the sake of what we're talking about) as they were back in the day. Coaches could get away with running a program closer to how it's done in college... or like a boot camp even, and guys would take it. Many more players today think they're bigger than the team or have a right to speak out against a coach, gm or even owner. I don't even remember many players speaking out against the commissioner back then.

[The15thunter]

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does anyone else see the parallels between kobe bryant and shawn michaels? maybe it's just me.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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You need a reason for why he hooked up with Hoopz?

Me personally, I don't because I already know how "that" works LOL.

I'm just sayin' if it's a tell ALL book, is he going to tell EVERYTHING or is he basically just going to tell us about how he grew up and what his relationship with Kobe and anybody else he played ball with was like? AKA Stuff we all basically know by now.

[wwharton]

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Me personally, I don't because I already know how "that" works LOL.

I'm just sayin' if it's a tell ALL book, is he going to tell EVERYTHING or is he basically just going to tell us about how he grew up and what his relationship with Kobe and anybody else he played ball with was like? AKA Stuff we all basically know by now.

I doubt he's going the Wilt route. I doubt that's much of a story anyway. She's hot... she hooked up with Flav for money so Shaq's a no brainer... and her "name" is Hoopz.

I'd rather he talk about all the other stuff with a couple of pictures of Hoopz strategically placed throughout the book.

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Its his autobiography man, not a tell all book..


wwharton, I honestly dont think men in that day felt entitled to everything, nor spoiled

You see MJ come to the league and says he didnt care who picked him because he was just happy to be in the NBA

Fastforward to now, or guys like Steve Francis, or lack of a better name Kobe who demands they wont play unless traded to this or that team, up to guys now who will sit out til they're traded to their team of choice

I think what Riley did at that time was really normal for those guys and expected seeing as they make millions of dollars to be in great condition, they really have no excuse not to be