Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

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Is there two different MAXs that I don't know about? 'Max' and 'Superstar Max'?

Lets see

Max would be someone like Deandre Jordan getting 40 mil

Superstar Max is like Rashard Lewis getting 120 or 130 million or whatever it is


It all depends on their time in the league that also determines numbers, so I'd rather give Love 65 mil, than to give Westbrook 80 million

Love is not cap strapping his team

Kruza... agreed... we're definitely talking about this particular era and generation of inflation, not in comparison to greats

[RedSceptile]

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He's the 2nd or 3rd option on a championship team. A 60 million 4 year contract seems decent, 5 years 80 million whatever it's just another year tacked on to the 4 year contract.

I don't know why y'all acting like he's ancient and not improving dude is 23 and a legit 21/12 kind of guy. He's not even in his prime yet and I've got reason to believe his defense and playmaking ability will improve under Money Adelman.

[Jasong7777]

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When did it become wrong to pay good players?

Then if the Wolves don't pay him and he leaves for L.A., New York, or Chicago yall want to create threads about small market vs large market teams.

Pay the guy, or STFU.

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What exactly is a max(only one type of max that I know of)player nowadays because it always seems like every year, there's always something added to the "list" to consider someone a max player?

Serious question BTW.

C'mon son! Thats just like saying whats the MLE and whats the mini MLE

kidding man...

The max for a player is what he can get depending on his value to a team at that time and his number of years in the league.. Players have a pay scale ceiling they shoot as high as they can for when signing a new deal right?

In Love's case, im not sure what he's eligible for...

Westbrook is eligible for 80 million and I dont think he's worth that value any day.. he doesnt bring the people to the arena, Durant does... and he's not like a Steve Nash, not even Steve Francis

[Dice]

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What exactly is a max(only one type of max that I know of)player nowadays because it always seems like every year, there's always something added to the "list" to consider someone a max player?

Serious question BTW.

The definition of a MAX Player is someone who gets paid MAX money. NOW, how that's determined is about as clear as a fog rolling through Los Angeles. BUT because the market is so saturated with players making max money, you might as well let Kevin Love have it. Of course his agent will tell you that and he wouldn't be lying. BUT out of the 30 NBA teams, there would be one who will give him his money. #AndWhatWasTheLockoutFor?

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When did it become wrong to pay good players?

Then if the Wolves don't pay him and he leaves for L.A., New York, or Chicago yall want to create threads about small market vs large market teams.

Pay the guy, or STFU.

That pretty much applies here anyway. Even with Love nobody is running to Minnesota so they have to pay to keep a guy.... its just so happens that they arent giving the guy 136 million, but truth be told, Love at least works for what he's getting, he's not some bum who only looked for a payday and played good one year and wants the dough like ummmm

I aint saying no names O LO WA KAN DI

[King_B_Mack]

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The definition of a MAX Player is someone who gets paid MAX money. NOW, how that's determined is about as clear as a fog rolling through Los Angeles. BUT because the market is so saturated with players making max money, you might as well let Kevin Love have it. Of course his agent will tell you that and he wouldn't be lying. BUT out of the 30 NBA teams, there would be one who will give him his money. #AndWhatWasTheLockoutFor?

That's the thing though. Is Love really a guy that if you woke up tomorrow and found out your team gave a max deal to him, would you really be mad about it? Now on the flipside of that, when you hear that guys like Rashard are even THINKING about asking for that kind of money in contract negotiations you're already saying he can kick rocks.

[da ThRONe]

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When did it become wrong to pay good players?

Then if the Wolves don't pay him and he leaves for L.A., New York, or Chicago yall want to create threads about small market vs large market teams.

Pay the guy, or STFU.

Pay him and then lose all the other pieces when it's time for them to get paid. That's the problem. Nothing is wrong with paying good players. However there's is something seriously wrong with paying good players like they're great players.

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Depends though

If this is Love and an extension of 60 mil... is that a crippling situation

Or is it Westbrook and 80 million....

There is a difference

[ProfessaPackMan]

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As superstar players have taken more control over the teams they join, the free-agent or trade wish list has become one of the NBA's newest trends. It's a rite of passage for any star — if he doesn't have a wish list, he's probably not so great. And if he creates one without having earned it, he's likely to embarrass himself.

The popularity of the wish list also means that it can sometimes mean very little. For instance, Deron Williams currently resides in a bizarre place between staying committed to the Nets for this season and testing the free-agent market this offseason. Given the Nets' struggles, it stands to reason that he'll find a better fit elsewhere. Yet he also doesn't want to be a jerk about it.
Nevertheless, Williams wants to signal his preferences to potential summer suitors. So he put out a wish list that features the Nets at the very top. From Chris Broussard at ESPN.com (via PBT):

Deron Williams' first choice is to stay with the Nets and to build something special in Brooklyn, but if it doesn't work out with his current team, his short list of desirable destinations includes the Mavericks, the Knicks and the Lakers, according to sources close to the situation. [...]
Williams has publicly stated his desire to re-sign with the Nets, and New Jersey, which views him as a building block for next season's move to Brooklyn, has refused to entertain potential trades involving Williams. Yet both sides know their future together is tied to Howard.
If the Nets are able to obtain Howard, either through a trade before the March 15 deadline or in free agency this summer, Williams will re-sign. If Howard goes elsewhere, Williams is likely to leave New Jersey, according to the sources.

Broussard's sources also said that Williams has several seasons of "Frasier" on his Amazon.com Wish List, but that didn't make it into the final story. Don't ask me how I found that out — you don't want to know.
Williams's wish list is both an act of professional courtesy and a bit of covering his own butt. The courtesy comes in telling teams with cap space if it's worth their time to woo him — for now, it appears only a few have that chance.
As noted above, the butt-covering is a little more interesting. In truth, what Williams is doing here isn't terribly different from what we've seen from many more forceful superstars who wanted to change teams. The difference, really, is that he's being kinder to his current team and making it abundantly clear to everyone why he would leave town over the summer. If Howard is the only guy who can keep him with the Nets, then the Nets know what they have to do. If they don't, they can't really complain to anyone but themselves.
Still, Williams is controlling his destiny to the same degree as LeBron James, Carmelo Anthony, and Chris Paul. What he's proving is that it can be done in a way that doesn't alienate anyone. With that method, he's also providing an example for future stars. He's setting the rules of his free agency while keeping everything friendly. It's a business arrangement built on mutual respect.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/deron-williams-wish-list-means-very-little-001550359.html

[King_B_Mack]

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Pay him and then lose all the other pieces when it's time for them to get paid. That's the problem. Nothing is wrong with paying good players. However there's is something seriously wrong with paying good players like they're great players.

Or lose the most important piece and keep all the other ones. I don't see how Love getting payed means the Wolves suddenly lose every other piece they have right now, but you're the small market expert I guess.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Just because they signed Love doesn't mean they can't sign their other pieces.

It's the same card people tried to use about the whole Westbrook thing until we found out that wasn't true either.

[Jasong7777]

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Thats why I what OKC is doing. If you want to win like the big boys, you have to spend like the big boys. This ain't moneyball.

May they have over paid Westbrook maybe, but he's their second best player and a top player in this league.

That's why OKC is doing well. They have adapted their thinking to that of a big market team.

[Kruza]

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How's his value highly inflated though? That doesn't even make sense to me right now. Inflated value to a team? Are we really doing this now?

The T'Wolves have been in a position where they have had some lean years and players constantly shuffling around on and off the team. So the front office executives of that team have to go the extra mile to actually show the fans their commitment and desire to turn things around. And the first step toward doing that is to do whatever they can to keep homegrown talent who also happens to be their best player whose ready to enter the prime years of his career (Love). It provides solid evidence to prove to the public that they truly want to build a quality club.

On the other hand, if the T'Wolves had been a consistently good club prior to the negotiations for the extension, then I believe Love would've likely been offered less to stay on board that would be closer to fair market value (the salary value other top teams would be willing to pay).

He's the 2nd or 3rd option on a championship team. A 60 million 4 year contract seems decent, 5 years 80 million whatever it's just another year tacked on to the 4 year contract.

I don't know why y'all acting like he's ancient and not improving dude is 23 and a legit 21/12 kind of guy. He's not even in his prime yet and I've got reason to believe his defense and playmaking ability will improve under Money Adelman.

Love may project to be a better player who will be completely worthy of the deal. But as of right now his contract value exceeds his talent. This is more of a statement deal by the T'Wolves organization to show actual commitment toward turning around the culture moreso than it is making a basketball transaction.

Again, I'm not critical of how much the T'Wolves have offered Love. I get it. But I'm also calling out what I see going on with this deal.

Kruza

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We can all see whats going on in the deal... its just that the deal isn't an outright ridiculous, that makes absolutely no sense to give that guy money type deal IMO

Shard Im looking at you