Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

[RedSceptile]

Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

The contract is more for what he's done (and can do in the future). Hell Sam Presti (who is a better GM than all of us) said the samething about Westbrook's contract. I'm just as ok with Love getting that type of deal as I am Rudy Gay getting that type of deal.

[Drewski]

What pieces does Minnesota have, realistically, besides Love and Rubio currently that are worth building the franchise around? Derrick Williams (still needs time to develop), Wesley Johnson, Luke Ridnour, Darko, Tolliver, Super Cool Beas? This is why making sure you keep one of their few dollars bills like Love around is essential.

As far as market size and money, isn't that where the revenue sharing should start kicking in? Or is that not ironed out yet?

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[Kobalt]

Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

Nuggets extend Gallo 4 years 42M.

[da ThRONe]

Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

Depends though

If this is Love and an extension of 60 mil... is that a crippling situation

Or is it Westbrook and 80 million....

There is a difference

I agree there's a difference. A 4 year 62 million extention isn't awful for a guy like Love. My point is the margin for era with small market/revenue teams is such that over paying for a guy even slightly could cripple a team.

Or lose the most important piece and keep all the other ones. I don't see how Love getting payed means the Wolves suddenly lose every other piece they have right now, but you're the small market expert I guess.

Yeah I already said it's lose-lose for smaller revenue teams. It's why this past labor issue was a complete waste.

Thats why I what OKC is doing. If you want to win like the big boys, you have to spend like the big boys. This ain't moneyball.

May they have over paid Westbrook maybe, but he's their second best player and a top player in this league.

That's why OKC is doing well. They have adapted their thinking to that of a big market team.

People are praising OKC but they haven't won anything yet. They have done an outstanding job bringing in guys like Ibaka and Harden even Perkins, but we need to let this play out before we point to them as the "prototype". Right now they can just be lucky getting Durant and not Oden. We saw the Wolves be viable for a stretch after getting KG. Like I said the margin of era is so thin for smaller markets that something like signing Russ to a max deal could be the mistake that kills the Thunders' successful run so far.

[da ThRONe]

Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

The contract is more for what he's done (and can do in the future). Hell Sam Presti (who is a better GM than all of us) said the samething about Westbrook's contract. I'm just as ok with Love getting that type of deal as I am Rudy Gay getting that type of deal.

Yeah totally agree. Guys are getting huge deals on potential and maybe more than potential the statement it makes to the fans. The problem is this hurts franchises in the long run.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Really? We seen the Wolves surround KG with the type of talent OKC has put around Durant?

So much for the "The Twolves never surround KG with any help other than loco *** Marbury" that I've had to hear all these years after.

OKC has essentially went the Green Bay(coincidently is a small market) route of building their team in that they dealt with the growing pains of a young team as opposed to trying to short cut their way just to say "Hey, we aren't the Lakers or Bulls or Mavs, but we can spend just like them!!". And for them, the payoff will be worth it. Hell, it's already starting to show that it is if you want to be technical.

[Drewski]

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I think the problem the T-Wolves will run into is that the draft picks they've made are going to hurt them.

Wesley Johnson #4 2010 (could have been Demarcus Cousins, Greg Monroe, Paul George) , Johnny Flynn #6 2009 (Steph Curry, DeMar DeRozan) (after drafting Rubio. I understand the mindset of not knowing whats going to happen with Rubio, but if you were that uncertain why draft him to begin with), stand out to me. Yeah, it's two picks, but I just wonder about the long term effects of it.

Granted, it's early to count Wes Johnson out, but I haven't heard much positive about him from Minny fans.

[bigeastbumrush]

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Thats why I what OKC is doing. If you want to win like the big boys, you have to spend like the big boys. This ain't moneyball.

May they have over paid Westbrook maybe, but he's their second best player and a top player in this league.

That's why OKC is doing well. They have adapted their thinking to that of a big market team.

I disagree.

I think small market teams need to be wiser about who they give their money too because they'll have a harder time than larger market teams in making up the difference by other means of revenue.

Especially since there is a cap floor and teams will have to dish out money. We know it's going to be harder for small market teams to attract top tier FAs so giving it to someone on your own team is better.

I think the Love contract >>>>>>>> the Westbrook contract simply because of the opt-out clause. That works for both Love and the TWolves.

I think the Gallo contract is right in line with what he should be making.

[Drewski]

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Interesting Kevin Love quote: "I was willing to make a commitment for five years. They thought otherwise." Take that as you will.

Also something that hasn't been brought up too much in this conversation (just as bigeast brings it up), it is a three year guaranteed deal with a player option for the fourth.

And if a three year deal with Love, with an opt out for the fourth, doesn't start a clock for Minnesota to have success, I don't know what will. Time to put all those collected pieces to work, either on the court or through some roster re-evaluation.

This is the same T-Wolves team that has Martell Webster for just under $11 mill over the next 2, and Darko for $15 mill over the next three. JJ Barea for $16 million over four, while still having Ridnour for $12 million over three.

Some weird contracts and cap usage.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

PHILADELPHIA – There was no surprise as the Jan. 25 deadline for extensions and options finally arrived. The Nets are not extending Brook Lopez and they’re not picking up Damion James’ third year option. And the fact that each player is recovering from a broken foot played no small part in the decision.
“We’re not going to do anything with either one of them,” general manager Billy King acknowledged this morning. “The injuries played a part. That played a big part of it. And it was for the (salary cap) flexibility, too.”
Lopez, who will become a restricted free agent, admitted some disappointment in the decision. The Nets, of course, can always re-sign him but wanted to wait to see how it plays out upon his return. Still, that was little comfort for Lopez who had not missed a single game in three seasons.
“I understand it I suppose from a business standpoint,” Lopez said. “But yeah, I think it’s disappointing because I’d like to be here.”
James, due to make $1.329 million next season, underwent surgery Tuesday to have a screw replaced in the foot he broke last season. He will become an unrestricted free agent this summer.
“It is a tough break for him, a tough break for our team,” coach Avery Johnson said. “Here’s a kid that we had penciled in to start or us this year at three because we knew we would need some size and athleticism to combat the threes that we’re going to be facing every night.”

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/netsbl...#ixzz1kUwrAEny

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[RedSceptile]

Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

Love is staying

So Love would have committed for 5 but thought better and sought out a player option in case Minnesota goes back to sucking.

[bigeastbumrush]

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Knicks will pick up Toney Douglas' fourth-year option today, keeping him under contract through 2012-13.

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[23]

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Love is staying

So Love would have committed for 5 but thought better and sought out a player option in case Minnesota goes back to sucking.

That keeps them from getting cap strapped long term and it makes Love a chance at FA if he decides to bolt

You really cannot be more reasonable than that. As we know these contracts have been far too long anyway, one year less wont kill either of those two

[Drewski]

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That keeps them from getting cap strapped long term and it makes Love a chance at FA if he decides to bolt

You really cannot be more reasonable than that. As we know these contracts have been far too long anyway, one year less wont kill either of those two

I agree with that up and down, it was reasonable but definitely puts some pressure on the Wolves to have some sustainable success. Not saying they need to win not one, not two, not three... but make some noise in the playoffs. Re-Work the roster around their two franchise players. Things of that nature. I think Love is great in Minny and I'm glad he will be sticking around the franchise for at least those three.

Minny did a smart financial thing, in my opinion. Might be a slight to a guy who wanted the five year deal and has been grinding steadily since his arrival (and from the quotes and other thing's I've read he is disappointed the five year $80 mill didn't happen), but with the way things currently are in the NBA 3 years guaranteed with a PO for the 4th is sound enough

[23]

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Either way Love is in a win situation because he can still leave and get paid if he wants