Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

[aholbert32]

Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

To answer your question - No.

Because you want it all. You really think the Lakers should have
Kobe Bryant
Dwight Howard
Paul Gasol
AND
Gilbert Arenas

I understand wanting the best for your team, but that's just not financially possible. Seriously.



And I addressed your points. It has nothing to do with the forum.

I'd like to see where the Lakers GM has said he'd take on Gilbert Arenas contract besides here.

You guys think Bynum & Odom straight up for Howard is a good deal. Unless Dwight forces Otis Smith to deal him to LA, there's no way they're giving him up without asking for Gasol. Bynum & Odom is not enough.

A quote from the GM? This is ALL speculation. No one knows what anyone is going to do right now. What we do know is that the Lakers have no problem paying the luxury tax, want Dwight Howard badly and need an upgrade at PG. If all those things are true, why would they balk at taking Arenas if they want Howard.

Actually you didnt address any of them and you continue to say things that NOBODY said (another Forum trait). The trade Drewski and I have discussed is Bynum/Odom/Artest and a pick for Howard and Arenas. The Arenas piece is key because it saves them anywhere from 30 to 45 mil over the course of the deal.

[King_B_Mack]

Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

A quote from the GM? This is ALL speculation. No one knows what anyone is going to do right now. What we do know is that the Lakers have no problem paying the luxury tax, want Dwight Howard badly and need an upgrade at PG. If all those things are true, why would they balk at taking Arenas if they want Howard.

Actually you didnt address any of them and you continue to say things that NOBODY said (another Forum trait). The trade Drewski and I have discussed is Bynum/Odom/Artest and a pick for Howard and Arenas. The Arenas piece is key because it saves them anywhere from 30 to 45 mil over the course of the deal.

Jerry Reinsdorf is willing to pay the luxury tax. We know that.

[aholbert32]

Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

Jerry Reinsdorf is willing to pay the luxury tax. We know that.

King,

I KNOW! LOL. I'm not saying that LA is the only place for Dwight. I think Chicago can make a better deal. The question is "Will they?"

[Drewski]

Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

Come-on man, It wasn't just about money... Both players needed a change, not to mention both teams needed the player they got.

Agent O as a back-up PG to Jameer & RL as their starting SF. So to say it was a money thing is FALSE

"Oh you know Gilbert, you need a change. Come on over, we don't mind the extra $20 million that's attached to you. Lets hug it out after you put on your Magic jersey."

Quite an expensive back up PG.

I understand what you're saying, it wasn't just a money move. But basketball wise it wasn't going to make Orlando a suddenly legitimate contender by bringing in Agent Zero as their back up PG. Orlando's front office isn't the best in the world, that's been no secret over the last forever.

[TheMatrix31]

Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

Wish OKC had the balls to do something for Dwight. Because Dwight and Durant and either Westbrook or Harden remaining and it'd be done for everyone.

I'd also "like" to see the Clippers get Blake and Dwight. Ooof. Dirty.

[Drewski]

Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

King,

I KNOW! LOL. I'm not saying that LA is the only place for Dwight. I think Chicago can make a better deal. The question is "Will they?"

Chicago can push a pretty good deal. I just think gutting 3 out of their 5 starters seems very drastic for a team that was as successful as it was last year.

A big motivator for Chicago could be the ?'s around Boozer being worth his money. But then, what makes Boozer worth his money to the Magic? Do the Magic think that the Bulls would still be successful without Rose (they'd be taking 3 out of their starting 5 after all).

Deng and Odom, to me, is a wash. I'd even venture to say I'd prefer Odom over Deng, but it all depends. Deng's contract is pretty expensive...

Luol Deng
$12.3
$13.3
$14.3

But he's still only 26.

Carlos Boozer
$13.5
$15
$15.3
$16.8

For a guy that just turned 30.

Joakim Noah
$10
$11
$12
$13
$14.2

Long contract for a guy like Noah who isn't a centerpiece but a cog. Pricey by the end of it.

That's roughly $35 million in salaries right there (this year, you can see they progressively increase but the cap numbers usually do as well, no new CBA to double over). That would give the Magic about $23 million outside of those three to be able to build a contender. Could they do it? Not sure. They wouldn't be able to transition into rebuild mode, they'd have to try and win within the context of those contracts. I'm not sure the Magic couldn't, but I'm not sure they could. They would need a superstar, in my opinion, still. And a superstar would be signing somewhere in the 13-15 range (assumed). That knocks them down to $8-10 million give or take to fill out the roster with free agents (delving into luxury tax and the restrictions involved with signing guys once you're over it).

I just wouldnt be confident theyll find a "superstar" to go down to Orlando. That's why I'm not super keen on the Chicago package for Dwight. That's just my take. Not taking into consideration who the Bulls would/wouldn't take (I'd guess they'd end up with Hedo), and if the Magic would spin those three pieces elsewhere. Seems like it would get sloppy on ORL side trying to work with those three pieces on those contracts, though.

[J_Posse]

[QUOTE=Drewski;2043146475]

It's financially possible for a team that has generated revenue throughout their history the way the Lakers have. As far as league regulations - it's already pretty darn close straight up that way. Lakers would still have about $5 million against the hard cap - but Kupchak would find a way to fix that (actually, if Luke retires/is amnestied then they'd fit almost PERFECT, his contract is $5.6 million this year).



There's no scenario where the Lakers turn down Howard because of Gilbert Arenas.

Bynum+Odom+Artest for Dwight+Arenas. Magic clear out one of the worst contracts ever, receive three pieces. Probably a pick. I'd say that's a solid deal for a team destined to lose Dwight. Only team right now that's even close to it is the Nets.

That is a laughably bad deal for the best bigman in the NBA. You'd need to offer a package of Bynum, Gasol, Brown and multiple 1st round picks (3 or 4) if Smith has any sense.

Look at what Denver and Utah received for players not nearly as good as Dwight. Lakers would have sell the farm for Dwight and Chris, while mortgaging their future beyond the Kobe era.

from Bills Backer Clubhouse

[Drewski]

Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

[quote=J_Posse512;2043146560]

That is a laughably bad deal for the bigman in the NBA. You'd need to offer a package of Bynum, Gasol, Brown and multiple 1st round picks (3 or 4) if Smith has any sense.

Look at what Denver and Utah received for players not nearly as good as Dwight. Lakers would have sell the farm for Dwight and Chris, while mortgaging their future beyond the Kobe era.

from Bills Backer Clubhouse

If that is Otis Smith's stance, then he needs to start looking for a team willing to trade for Dwight without an extension (probably few teams willing to give up more than what Bynum+Odom+Artest+Picks+a team taking on Arenas' contract would be worth to the Magic franchise), or they must really like Brook Lopez (no word on whether Dwight would sign an extension here so I wont speculate one way or the other). Also, Lakers don't have Brown as it stands. Lakers would have no problem giving up any amount of picks.

Or the Magic let Dwight walk for nothing like Cav's with Lebron.

[King_B_Mack]

Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

King,

I KNOW! LOL. I'm not saying that LA is the only place for Dwight. I think Chicago can make a better deal. The question is "Will they?"

I get ya, I'm just pointing out that we do know Jerry will pay. You said this was all speculation and the only thing we know is LA will pay. I'm just making sure we're all clear that Chicago WILL pay the tax as well so balking at taking Arenas or Hedo isn't something to forecast them doing as well to facilitate a deal.

I just wouldnt be confident theyll find a "superstar" to go down to Orlando. That's why I'm not super keen on the Chicago package for Dwight. That's just my take. Not taking into consideration who the Bulls would/wouldn't take (I'd guess they'd end up with Hedo), and if the Magic would spin those three pieces elsewhere. Seems like it would get sloppy on ORL side trying to work with those three pieces on those contracts, though.

See this is where you lose me. You keep saying that guys like Deng are Odom are a wash, but if the Bulls send Deng/Noah/Boozer to the Magic they still need a superstar there, but the Lakers send Artest/Odom/Bynum and they're good to go? Where's the superstar in that group?

Just a fun stat to think about. The NBA will be playing a 66 game season this year. Andrew Bynum has only played in 66+ games once in his career back in his second year. He's six years into his career now. This year, he still won't play in 66 games.

[bigeastbumrush]

Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

Team schedules have been released on NBA.com.

Knicks have a bad stretch in February but not too bad overall.

EDIT:
Rat off the bat, the Knicks go out West end of December- GS, LAL, Sac

[bigeastbumrush]

Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

Just skimmed thru some teams schedules:

LA Lakers have 5 road games in a row in February.

Boston has 8 road games in a row in March.

Miami has 6 road games in a row in February.

[TheMatrix31]

Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

I'll make a schedule discussion thread.

[King_B_Mack]

Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

Awww thought the Bulls had avoided the long road trip with the Circus trip being in November. Starting on January 29th Bulls will be on the road for nine straight games with the trip ending February 12th.

[bigeastbumrush]

Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

Atlanta- 5 straight road games in January; 5 straight road games in February; 6 straight road games in March............DAMNNNNN!!!

Cleveland- 7 straight games in January; 9 straight home games in February

Denver- 9 straight home games in March

Clippers- 6 straight road games in both February & March

Philly- finishes the season on a 5 game road trip

Brandon Roy, Greg Oden & the Blazers- 6 straight road games in January; 7 straight road games in March

[Drewski]

Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

I get ya, I'm just pointing out that we do know Jerry will pay. You said this was all speculation and the only thing we know is LA will pay. I'm just making sure we're all clear that Chicago WILL pay the tax as well so balking at taking Arenas or Hedo isn't something to forecast them doing as well to facilitate a deal.

See this is where you lose me. You keep saying that guys like Deng are Odom are a wash, but if the Bulls send Deng/Noah/Boozer to the Magic they still need a superstar there, but the Lakers send Artest/Odom/Bynum and they're good to go? Where's the superstar in that group?

Just a fun stat to think about. The NBA will be playing a 66 game season this year. Andrew Bynum has only played in 66+ games once in his career back in his second year. He's six years into his career now. This year, he still won't play in 66 games.

I think Bynum has the most potential to be a superstar in that group, and if healthy he's a star. Let's be honest if he was healthy we'd all love Bynum, he's great out there and has shown improvement in areas (and cracks in others). As is he's very good, it's done enough to get the Lakers two rings, three finals. It hasn't been the Kobe show, we know that. He's played consistent, and great in stretches, but their strength is up front and that starts with Bynum.

Odom has done phenomenal doing whatever is necessary. Starting. Off the bench. The 3, the 4. He shot career best %'s last year and played efficiently for 32 mpg. He's a great piece for a contender to add in regards to youth, the Magic could run him for a year and trade him as an expiring to someone and get tremendous return from a team needing that one piece (but having great upside pieces to offer in return. OKC could always use a guy like Odom if you ask me, and they have some unique pieces).

Artest will likely be a piece that will go to a contending team. It smells like Celtics for Jeff Green if you ask me (veteran for youth).

That's what I'm saying.

And if that doesnt work, they're in a better financial situation. Those Chi contracts have serious long term implications.