Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

[slimm44]

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Is this whole CP3 and Dwight to LA a serious scenario? Or is this something ESPN is just stirring up?

I'm not really one to keep up with the business aspect of basketball. Lol

I don't think they'll get both. If they get either, I'd guess Dwight. I don't see a league-owned team trading it's franchise player for an aging 2nd fiddle who seems to have lost his scrotum. Too much possibility for a media crapstorm.

[BlueNGold]

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People have been doing too many 2K trades up in here.

[King_B_Mack]

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In a normal scenario, the Magic would probably not entertain the trade proposal of Bynum/Arenas/Odom for Howard/Arenas or just Bynum/Odom for Howard. However, this is not a normal scenario.

But think about it...if Otis doesn't get something, ANYTHING for Dwight this year, he takes a major risk that he walks for NOTHING next year when he's a free agent. This with Dwight giving off vibes that the team hasn't done enough to put a winning roster around him.

I think we see Dwight traded soon. It won't be a completely fair trade, but you can't minimize the value of getting something when the only other alternative is getting nothing and the vast majority of trades aren't completely fair.

I hear people saying that such-and-such trade won't happen because it's essentially illogical. We just went through a lockout and nearly lost the entire season after one of, if not the best, seasons in the past 10-15 years. GM's generally DON'T make financial decisions based on sound logic alone. The majority of all FA and trade decisions all have us saying, "Really? That just happened?" C'mon, we're preparing ourselves for the probable scenario of Tyson Chandler getting a 12-15 million dollar PER YEAR contract. In a logical world, that's overpaying him but a minimum of 50%.

In my opinion, trading Howard for Bynodom is like trading 1$ for .75 cents, with Bynum being the 50 cent piece and Odom being worth roughly a quarter. Maybe 80 cents if Bynum stays healthy, but in 6 years, he hasn't shown that ability. He's played a full season once and averages 50 games per season. But as a GM, you absolutely can't let your franchise player and only elite center in the league walk without getting anything in return.

You're kinda missing out on the whole point of the discussion. Obviously you can't let him walk for nothing, but the fact is the Laker deal isn't the best on the table. Not taking the Laker deal doesn't mean you're letting him walk for nothing, it's you not settling for the third, possibly second best deal available.

[jeremym480]

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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...aul/index.html

As a Celtics fan, if CP3 isn't willing to sign an extension, then I say screw that deal and roll with Rondo.

4 years of Rondo > 1 year of CP3

Although, I know the big 3 likely only have another year or so of top play, moving Rondo would set us back to what we were in the mid-late 90's. Hell, we may be there with Rondo.

[ffaacc03]

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As a Celtics fan, if CP3 isn't willing to sign an extension, then I say screw that deal and roll with Rondo.

4 years of Rondo > 1 year of CP3

Although, I know the big 3 likely only have another year or so of top play, moving Rondo would set us back to what we were in the mid-late 90's. Hell, we may be there with Rondo.

I would entertaint the idea of getting Paul "only if" Dwight is traded to a team where he wouldnt sign an extention right away ... that would open the door for possibly signing both next year ... BOS is kind of a big market with an incredible history, couple that with the ability to give them max contracts and the possibility to form a semi dream team with BOS current big 3 (KG & RA signed for the vet minimum) ... and its more than an attractive scenario. Am really surprised (worried) about why BOS isnt even considered within next year FA headliners.

Then again, I concede that is a pretty big if.

[ScoobySnax]

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Not looking like the Mavs are gonna resign JJ Barea. I'm kind of disappointed. They could give him $4MM/year. I know they wanna go after Deron, but just because he's from Dallas doesn't mean he wants to play here. He looks excited about what the Nets are gonna do. Jet is lobbying for an extension as well. Just not enough cash to go around. I don't wanna see the team drastically altered from last season (except for Tyson and Caron).

[jeremym480]

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I would entertaint the idea of getting Paul "only if" Dwight is traded to a team where he wouldnt sign an extention right away ... that would open the door for possibly signing both next year ... BOS is kind of a big market with an incredible history, couple that with the ability to give them max contracts and the possibility to form a semi dream team with BOS current big 3 (KG & RA signed for the vet minimum) ... and its more than an attractive scenario. Am really surprised (worried) about why BOS isnt even considered within next year FA headliners.

Then again, I concede that is a pretty big if.

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[slimm44]

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You're kinda missing out on the whole point of the discussion. Obviously you can't let him walk for nothing, but the fact is the Laker deal isn't the best on the table. Not taking the Laker deal doesn't mean you're letting him walk for nothing, it's you not settling for the third, possibly second best deal available.

The only other deal I know of is for Brook Lopez. What else am I missing?

EDIT: Forgot about the Bull's and the combo of Noah/Boozer/Deng.

[Hassan Darkside]

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It's not like they have to trade Dwight right now anyway. There'll be more offers.

[King_B_Mack]

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It's not like they have to trade Dwight right now anyway. There'll be more offers.

This is true, but I can't imagine many more deals coming out that'll beat the three known/speculated deals already out there unless somebody plans on serving up a superstar for Orlando which I don't forsee.

[Drewski]

In my opinion the only better deal the Magic could push for is a Bynum Pau combo. Bynum Odom Artest package is the second best package, as long as they force the Lakers to absorb Arenas (which they can and you can't tell me otherwise) . Realistically I don't see the Bulls pulling apart a championship caliber team for Dwight but never doubt the power of a superstar. Even with that though, I like the Lakers "1B" offer more than the Nets or Chicago offers.

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[a_maz_ing]

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This is true, but I can't imagine many more deals coming out that'll beat the three known/speculated deals already out there unless somebody plans on serving up a superstar for Orlando which I don't forsee.

I agree. The Bulls, Lakers, and Nets offer (am I forgetting any) are probably the best they will get considering "sources" say Dwight is picky about where he goes. That being said I don't think they trade Howard sooner than later.

So I hear Nets are now the frontrunners for Chandler, not Nene. He would love to play with Dwill. He is also talking to the Warriors and would consider going there if he knew CP3 would sign an extension there.

Also

• Jamal Crawford has a long list of teams hoping to sign him, but his preference would be a sign-and-trade to the Chicago Bulls, according to sources close to the situation. The Bulls have been in contact with Crawford’s camp in recent days and will try to acquire him by offering the Atlanta Hawks a package that includes Ronnie Brewer and one unnamed player. If Chicago can’t land Crawford, the veteran will likely sign with the New Orleans Hornets, Indiana Pacers, New Jersey Nets or Minnesota Timberwolves.

I would prefer to keep Brewer because of his athleticism and defense over Crawford. But I guess Bogans for Crawford wouldn't fly lol.

In my opinion the only better deal the Magic could push for is a Bynum Pau combo. Bynum Odom Artest package is the second best package, as long as they force the Lakers to absorb Arenas (which they can and you can't tell me otherwise) . Realistically I don't see the Bulls pulling apart a championship caliber team for Dwight but never doubt the power of a superstar. Even with that though, I like the Lakers "1B" offer more than the Nets or Chicago offers.

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I really hope Lakers can keep Pau, but I would give him and Bynum up for D12. I just think Kobe/Pau/Dwight would make the best 3 some in the league.

And I agree with the bolded.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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tis Smith seemed to have closed off the possibility of a quick Dwight Howard trade Wednesday, telling an Orlando press conference, "Our goal is to keep 12 in a Magic uniform for the rest of his career" ... "We're moving toward that end", indicating a desire to extend the perennial all-Star.
Smith did not foreclose the possibility of a trade down the road. "Our objective is to keep him in uniform. If that's not the case, we will do what we have to," Smith said, adding, "That doesn't necessarily mean that we're going to listen to everything that Dwight has to say and placate to that."
"We've done everything we're supposed to do in seven years," Smith contended. "At the end of the day it comes down to him (Dwight)."

This is Melo 2.0 and we all know how that ended.

With being said, bring me Tyson or bring me Nene. The pricetag I'll deal with when one of them gets here.

[Drewski]

I agree. The Bulls, Lakers, and Nets offer (am I forgetting any) are probably the best they will get considering "sources" say Dwight is picky about where he goes. That being said I don't think they trade Howard sooner than later.

So I hear Nets are now the frontrunners for Chandler, not Nene. He would love to play with Dwill. He is also talking to the Warriors and would consider going there if he knew CP3 would sign an extension there.

Also


I would prefer to keep Brewer because of his athleticism and defense over Crawford. But I guess Bogans for Crawford wouldn't fly lol.


I really hope Lakers can keep Pau, but I would give him and Bynum up for D12. I just think Kobe/Pau/Dwight would make the best 3 some in the league.

And I agree with the bolded.

The only way the Lakers trade Pau is if Mitch caves and just says whatever it takes to get Dwight. If he remains patient and isn't afraid of Dwight going elsewhere, the Bynum Odom Artest deal can get it done. I just don't see a deal stronger, especially while needing Howard to sign off on it. Even if Magic entertain offers from teams willing to take him sans extension, the deal that they put out there likely won't have higher value than the one I've been pushing. And no one is absorbing Arenas 60 million without Dwight extending. Magic will be faced with accepting Pau is not on the table and taking that package, finding a deal they somehow like better than what the Lakers have (with the team having knowledge that Dwight has not or is not extending), or losing Dwight for nothing. Patience is all Mitch needs to have.

"Look, the last thing Orlando needs is a melo scenario playing out all year. I'm not ever going to give up Pau in this deal, so we can negotiate till the bitter end if you'd like., but it's not changing. Your call. We'd love Dwight but we refuse to add Pau in with the pieces the Magic have to offer. Bynum, Odom, Artest, and whatever you want from draft picks."

Only snag would be a team willing to do the New Jersey Boogey and trade big with risk. And I still believe the Nyets should take that risk. But I have Bynum package being more appealing than Brook package. And I'll take Mitch in a GM battle between those three.

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[ex carrabba fan]

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So it looks like Hill could still be open to joining another club. The Knicks make sense, if he can play the shooting guard. Man they would be a hell of a fun team with Grant.

Grant Hill’s interest in joining the Knicks and being slotted as their starting shooting guard on a potential Eastern Conference contender is growing by the day, and there is a sense he is leaning toward that option.

The Bulls and Clippers have been mentioned as possible landing spots for Hill, who has played the past three seasons with the Suns.
Hill would be playing in the New York spotlight, where a basketball renaissance has taken place.

He would be thrust into the basketball mecca and his wife, Tamia, a recording artist, would be in the media and musical mecca.

She is expected to release a new album in two months.
Via Marc Berman/New York Post

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