Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

[goh]

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Didn't they just have a lockout partially so this exact thing wouldn't happen again? Now it's the first thing someone is trying to make happen.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Bynum, Artest and Odom plus Turk and Nelson can get them into the playoffs in the East. I dont think Brook Lopez and Nelson get them anything other than a lottery pick.

I think ranking 81st in rebounding per 48 min last year and 44th in your "good" rebounding years is much closer to awful than good.

My only concern about Andrew is his health. On the court, I think the kid has improved a ton. This is a guy who averages less than 30 min per game and pulls down almost 10 rebounds. He averages 7 shots a game. I would love to see what he could do if he got Brook's touches and minutes.

I hear you, but the problem with this argument in this particular situation is that there's a reason that Lopez plays 35-36 minutes per game and 82 games a year and Bynum plays around 28 minutes per game and 50 games a year, and that reason has nothing to do with the talent around them. I get the whole idea that in a lot of instances, a guy with big numbers on a crappy team < a guy with average numbers on a great team because they're going to get more touches on the crappy team, but in this particular circumstance, the reason that Brook gets more touches is more to do with the fact that he can actually handle the touches. Bynum has proven that he can't.

Moving on, Brook is a more efficient post scorer by the numbers despite the fact that he's obviously more of a focus for a defensive team in NJ than Bynum is with Kobe and Gasol and Odom around him. He's also a better spot up shooter, and he also runs the floor a little bit (4.4% of his shots come in transition vs. 0.0% of Bynum's).

[ProfessaPackMan]

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"Oh we don't want this Superteam nonsense to infect our league but we'll give David Stern permission to trade the franchise's best player to the Lakers for Metta World Peace and his BS Rap Label".

[Drewski]

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The reason that Brook gets more touches is more to do with the fact that he can actually handle the touches. Bynum has proven that he can't.

Moving on, Brook is a more efficient post scorer by the numbers despite the fact that he's obviously more of a focus for a defensive team in NJ than Bynum is with Kobe and Gasol and Odom around him. He's also a better spot up shooter, and he also runs the floor a little bit (4.4% of his shots come in transition vs. 0.0% of Bynum's).

I'm curious as to when Bynum has proven that he can't handle the touches. Career wise, he's only 7.3 FGA. Brook is at 14 FGA flat. Brook Lopez shot a .492 last season, versus Bynums .574. Where is Brook more efficient by the numbers?

[bigeastbumrush]

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Throwing in Arenas is not something small for Orlando, the amount of downplay on his contract right now is ridiculous. Gilbert Arenas is the 5th highest paid player in the league.

THE ORLANDO MAGIC HAVE THE 2ND HIGHEST SALARY IN ALL OF THE LEAGUE!

How's this look guys?

Gilbert Arenas
2011-2012: 19.2 million
2012-2013: 20.8 million (player option, what player like Arenas is going to opt out of getting paid 20.8 million?)
2013-2014: 22.3 million

That's ALOT of money to pay ANYONE unless this is a star player who is helping your team touch the Larry O'Brien trophy. That's 62.3 million dollars over THREE YEARS! That's more than what over half of the league pays in salary PER YEAR TOTAL! Even if they amnesty him, they STILL have to pay him (the only thing his contract amnesty counts towards is Luxury Tax relief). They'd be better served amnestying Hedo if they choose to amnesty anyone, his contract isn't as bloated (still way overpaid) as Arenas, and it's much shorter. And the likelihood that the Magic will need $20 million in luxury tax relief is slim to none (they would need roughly 80 million in salary). Worst case in an amnesty situation, they can cut Hedo's $21 million in guaranteed, and use the $10-11 million per year of luxury tax relief from his contract being amnestied. I understand alot of you are comparing talent alone, but this is a business and the lockout made the crystal clear. The owners don't want to lose money. This is a HUGE step forward for the front office if they can do this.

You're right. Pau is untouchable. I'm Mitch Kupchak and I make that clear day one of negotations with the Magic. Lakers would be stupid to include Pau in anything the Orlando Magic offer, they simply don't have enough outside of Dwight to make it worth the Lakers' while. Why would the Lakers even entertain that? What would the Magic do with an over 30 year old Pau Gasol anyway? He'd be on the books for another THREE years, raking in over $60 million. If Dwight couldnt' get it done (talking Title here), why would it make any sense that they could build a title team with Pau?

Lamar Odom is a BETTER ASSET THAN PAU GASOL. Wait what? He is on schedule to make $8.9 million this year, and on a TEAM OPTION of an even CHEAPER $8.2 million NEXT YEAR, and then he's off the books. Gerald Wallace is making $10.6 and then $11.5 next year on a player option. Luis Scola? $8.5, $9.2, $10.2, and then $11.0 is the final year of his contract (he's 31 right now, will be 34-35 when his contract ends and his sitting making $11 million). Kevin Love is still on his ROOKIE contract and will almost DEFINITELY be making AT LEAST $12 mil a year once his contract expires. It's not even close. Lamar Odom makes barely more than the MID LEVEL EXCEPTION, you can't even begin to tell me he isn't cost efficient in a free agency with bloated contracts. If he was a free agent, right now, he'd likely be the most sought after guy out there this side of Chandler and Nene. The amount of down play of what Odom brings to a team astounds me.

This is crazy. You know why?

Because there's not a GM in the league that would entertain trading for Gilbert Arenas. This is not different than that NBA trade roulette wheel...mixing & matching salaries.

I'm talking real life. Real life is that Orlando (or any smart team) is going to demand Paul Gasol. You guys (fans) don't want to see that. So you dump trash players around like a GM would even entertain that.

How about trading Luke Walton while you're at it?

@ Lamar Odom being a better asset than Pau Gasol. Or being a sought -after free agent.

If Lamar was so good, he'd be in the starting lineup.

Face it...the Lakers have 2 touchable players - Gasol and Bynum. Bynum (headcase/injury-prone) and trash is not gonna get you a Top 5 player straight up unless David Stern is in on the shenanigans.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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I'm curious as to when Bynum has proven that he can't handle the touches. Career wise, he's only 7.3 FGA. Brook is at 14 FGA flat. Brook Lopez shot a .492 last season, versus Bynums .574. Where is Brook more efficient by the numbers?

I mean the guy simply can't handle the wear and tear of playing in the NBA. How can you take a guy that's the 3rd or 4th option in LA and he can't stay healthy and then say he should be your 1st or 2nd?

That's what I mean. Brooks plays more minutes because he can handle those minutes. Bynum can't.

Edit: Missed the part at the end there, but looking at Synergy, Brook is more efficient when posting up. The only reason Bynum's FG% is higher is because he scores more out of the pick and roll.

[aholbert32]

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This is crazy. You know why?

Because there's not a GM in the league that would entertain trading for Gilbert Arenas. This is not different than that NBA trade roulette wheel...mixing & matching salaries.

I'm talking real life. Real life is that Orlando (or any smart team) is going to demand Paul Gasol. You guys (fans) don't want to see that. So you dump trash players around like a GM would even entertain that.

How about trading Luke Walton while you're at it?

@ Lamar Odom being a better asset than Pau Gasol. Or being a sought -after free agent.

If Lamar was so good, he'd be in the starting lineup.

Face it...the Lakers have 2 touchable players - Gasol and Bynum. Bynum (headcase/injury-prone) and trash is not gonna get you a Top 5 player straight up unless David Stern is in on the shenanigans.

We already told you one GM that would consider it and its Mitch Kupcheck. ****, people were saying that the Wizards wouldnt be able to trade him last year. Guess what happened?

The Magic can demand Pau all they want...doesnt mean they will get him.

Also that "Odom would be in the starting lineup" is one of the most clueless things I've read in this forum in a while. We know why Odom doesnt start and it has nothing to do with talent. Phil liked him better off of the bench.

[Drewski]

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This is crazy. You know why?

Because there's not a GM in the league that would entertain trading for Gilbert Arenas. This is not different than that NBA trade roulette wheel...mixing & matching salaries.

I'm talking real life. Real life is that Orlando (or any smart team) is going to demand Paul Gasol. You guys (fans) don't want to see that. So you dump trash players around like a GM would even entertain that.

How about trading Luke Walton while you're at it?

@ Lamar Odom being a better asset than Pau Gasol. Or being a sought -after free agent.

If Lamar was so good, he'd be in the starting lineup.

Face it...the Lakers have 2 touchable players - Gasol and Bynum. Bynum (headcase/injury-prone) and trash is not gonna get you a Top 5 player straight up unless David Stern is in on the shenanigans.

Mitch Kupchak would trade for Arenas if he was handcuffed to Dwight, I promise you this.

Again, they can inquire about Pau Gasol till they're blue in the face. I hope they enjoy the consolation Brook Lopez package if that's what they want.

Lamar started majority of the season for the Lakers, and had a great year. In fact, Lamar shot a CAREER BEST 53% from the field and 39% from beyond the arc. Playing 32.2 MPG (which is starter minutes). Not to mention he can rebound better than Brook Lopez. Lamar Odom average 8.7 RPG last year (in a stacked front court coming off the bench). His career he's average 8.9 RPG and has collected 14.2% of the rebounds available to him. Both better numbers than Brook Lopez (7.6 RPG & 13.0%).

[Drewski]

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I mean the guy simply can't handle the wear and tear of playing in the NBA. How can you take a guy that's the 3rd or 4th option in LA and he can't stay healthy and then say he should be your 1st or 2nd?

That's what I mean. Brooks plays more minutes because he can handle those minutes. Bynum can't.

Edit: Missed the part at the end there, but looking at Synergy, Brook is more efficient when posting up. The only reason Bynum's FG% is higher is because he scores more out of the pick and roll.

I agree, health is the concern with Bynum. I can understand that (and I see what you're saying about the %. In the end I think I'd take the higher fg% of Bynum (57% vs. 49%). Number of touches for each player can make those numbers fluctuate, that remains unforeseen.

[Dice]

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Any team that's going to trade for Dwight probably should be prepared to take on either Arenas or Hedo(or both) albatross contracts. In a business sense, I don't see the Magic trading away their franchise guy and getting some cap relief in the process. Obviously, whatever deal the Magic makes, if they make one, is not going to net them equal or more value in terms of talent. Maybe if the Lakers offer Gasol in the package, it might be close.

[King_B_Mack]

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It's funny how Duhwight is foaming at the mouth to want to go to LA(according to some)but will not go to Chicago even though it has never come from his mouth but instead being reported by "sources".

I guess Deron Williams is the exception and not the norm because you at least heard from HIS mouth on what HE wants and not what's being reported by "sources".

Nah, Deron didn't really say that. It was a stand in lol. I don't know man, guess Chicago is back to 2000 status.

Last year? We lost. Boo-hoo. I'll chalk up last year vs. the three straight Finals trips and two rings for what it is. Lakers lost. Not going to do it with Odom and Artest, those words were never typed. I've maintained these points

Really dude? You gonna go there?

- An Artest/Odom/Bynum package provides them a centerpiece in Bynum. Two starters in Artest and Odom.

Bynum a centerpiece? In what world is the centerpiece of your franchise a guy who can't even play a 66 game season let alone an 82 game one? Then the guys you put alongside him as the guys that are going to carry the team are two guys who are among the most inconsistent players in the league, one of them a full out nutjob on top of everything. I don't deny Odom has the talent to probably help Orlando, I just don't see him doing it as the boy has stars in his eyes man. If you think Odom is going to keep up the play that he just started playing like...a year or two ago then you're kidding yourself. Odom is going to be depended on in Orlando more than he is in LA to actually be the GUY there, especially once Bynum goes down.

- Odom's contract is one of the best in the league as it stands. He's well worth his 8.9 mill this year and 8.2 next year to any team.

Okay, that still don't fix dude's head.

- The Magic will clear Arenas off 100%. I'd consider that huge.

The Bulls can take Turk off their hands and they can amnesty Arenas. The Nets can take back the Turk contract and leave them free to amnesty Arenas.

- Andrew Bynum is an excellent rebounder, especially in comparison to Brook Lopez.

But can he actually play in games to do it? When Bynum goes down it's not a guarantee that his team is going to make the playoffs regardless for him to come back and help in April, May and June like he's been sliding on.

- The Magic would have an easy enough time finding a team that would be interested in taking Odom and/or Artest of their hands. A mid level and just above mid level contract is very appealing in a world where Nene will likely get close to max. Can't help but think contending teams will be knocking on the door pitching away that they can provide younger, efficient pieces that just need time to grow that are still very plausible for their veteran wing men.

And no one would be looking to get Noah? Deng's got three years left on his deal counting this year. If it doesn't work out that's a real good contract to be looking to unload next season.

- Never said anyone is "turning their nose" up to playing for the Bulls.

May as well. A question mark for who would play with Dwight and Rose? If they've got D12 and unloaded Booze, Noah and Deng in the deal, they're getting Caron at least who's already looking to come here with the team as is.

- I think it's non-debatable that The Lakers have historically been one of the greatest sports organizations. 23 Hall of Famers, 16 titles.

Seriously why even bring this garbage up? Who at any point in this discussion debated any of that BS? Be a better Laker fan than that please.

[bigeastbumrush]

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We already told you one GM that would consider it and its Mitch Kupcheck. ****, people were saying that the Wizards wouldnt be able to trade him last year. Guess what happened?

The Magic can demand Pau all they want...doesnt mean they will get him.

Also that "Odom would be in the starting lineup" is one of the most clueless things I've read in this forum in a while. We know why Odom doesnt start and it has nothing to do with talent. Phil liked him better off of the bench.

You're right. Odom's in the prime of his career and teams are just salivating to pry him away from the Lakers...

And the only reason the Wiz were able to trade Arenas was because he would've shot up DC and the Magic were trying to get rid of their own sack of wasted money in Rashard Lewis.

This wasn't "let's pair up our MVP Center with one of the finest PGs in the league". It was like a cash version of Wife Swap.

Mitch Kupchak would trade for Arenas if he was handcuffed to Dwight, I promise you this.

Again, they can inquire about Pau Gasol till they're blue in the face. I hope they enjoy the consolation Brook Lopez package if that's what they want.

Lamar started majority of the season for the Lakers, and had a great year. In fact, Lamar shot a CAREER BEST 53% from the field and 39% from beyond the arc. Playing 32.2 MPG (which is starter minutes). Not to mention he can rebound better than Brook Lopez. Lamar Odom average 8.7 RPG last year (in a stacked front court coming off the bench). His career he's average 8.9 RPG and has collected 14.2% of the rebounds available to him. Both better numbers than Brook Lopez.

Dude...that's rape. The only rumblings I've heard from out of Laker land is that everyone is available except for Kobe.

You guys don't wanna give up Pau.

If Kobe comes out with an interview tomorrow saying F' Pau...you guys are gonna be in here switching from Odom/Artest/trash to Pau.

Only in you guys minds is Arenas tradeable.

Matter of fact...I hope you guys do land Arenas. I hope you land Arenas and he stays on your books for $60M.

It would serve you right.

[Drewski]

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Seriously why even bring this garbage up? Who at any point in this discussion debated any of that BS? Be a better Laker fan than that please.

Keep telling yourself LA is the best spot if you want, you have to come back to reality at some point.

You said you can continue to believe that the Lakers aren't the best spot and that I have to return to reality. Reality is in the numbers I laid out.

[aholbert32]

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Again, it costs the Magic 25 million more to trade Turk and amnesty Arenas.

[Drewski]

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You're right. Odom's in the prime of his career and teams are just salivating to pry him away from the Lakers...

And the only reason the Wiz were able to trade Arenas was because he would've shot up DC and the Magic were trying to get rid of their own sack of wasted money in Rashard Lewis.

This wasn't "let's pair up our MVP Center with one of the finest PGs in the league". It was like a cash version of Wife Swap.



Dude...that's rape. The only rumblings I've heard from out of Laker land is that everyone is available except for Kobe.

You guys don't wanna give up Pau.

If Kobe comes out with an interview tomorrow saying F' Pau...you guys are gonna be in here switching from Odom/Artest/trash to Pau.

Only in you guys minds is Arenas tradeable.

Matter of fact...I hope you guys do land Arenas. I hope you land Arenas and he stays on your books for $60M.

It would serve you right.

The Lakers will and Arenas will actually be an upgrade at the point. You think the Buss family cares about Arenas if it lands them DWIGHT HOWARD? Yeah guys deals off, we can't take Gilbert Arenas. Please. This is actually one of the FEW ways the Lakers can get an upgrade at the point. And you dont think Gilbert would show up ready to work at his game and have an opportunity to get a few rings with Kobe/Pau/Dwight? Come on.

Only thing that would stop the Magic from tying Arenas to Dwight is poor negotiating and business savvy.