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  • capp34
    MVP
    • Mar 2007
    • 1313

    #1591
    Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

    Its easy to have parity in the NFL because they only play 16 games and don't play every team in the league. The Cavs can beat the top tier teams in the league in a one game scenario because anything can happen.
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    • BlueNGold
      Hall Of Fame
      • Aug 2009
      • 21817

      #1592
      Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

      Originally posted by aholbert32
      MLB is just as bad. The Rays made it to the WS one year but 2 yrs later Carl Crawford signed with the Sox. Its just as bad if not worse than the NBA.
      I stand corrected. I'm not too deep into what goes on with the MLB anyways.
      Originally posted by bradtxmale
      I like 6 inches. Its not too thin and not too thick. You get the support your body needs.



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      • ProfessaPackMan
        Bamma
        • Mar 2008
        • 63852

        #1593
        Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

        Originally posted by aholbert32
        Wasn't that because the Heat miscalculated the cap?
        That summer of 1996, boosted by the All-Star appearance and per game averages of 22.1 points, 8.1 rebounds and 4.4 assists, Howard opted-out of his contract and was signed by Pat Riley and the Miami Heat to a $101 million contract, becoming the NBA’s first nine-figure player. Howard was slated to earn more than the likes of Hakeem Olajuwon and David Robinson.
        Bullets fans were devastated, surely thinking they were cursed to lose a budding star in such a manner. Of course, all of this occurred after Howard, once again, and prodded by his agent, felt low-balled by the team, twice.
        “Juwan was theirs to lose,” Falk once said, referring to the Bullets. And they lost him … so it seemed. In initial negotiations with the Bullets, Falk felt his client was worth $15-20 million a year. One of Washington’s first offers was for only $11.2 million per.
        With Howard all but parading in Miami as a member of the Heat, the NBA found that his contract violated salary caps rules. Part of the league’s stance was that Miami had reached an “agreement in principle” with Alonzo Mourning before signing Howard and that they also did not account for contract incentive bonuses for Tim Hardaway and P.J. Brown, although it seemed that both were signed after Miami signed Howard.
        Riley publicly disputed that he broke the rules, and even filed a temporary injunction in the Dade County Circuit Court to prevent Howard from signing with another team in the interim, but eventually dropped his fight because of the potential penalty of being suspended for a year and incurring a $5 million fine from the league should the contested matter have gone to arbitration and the Heat lost.
        The end result was that the NBA declared Howard a free-agent and he signed with the Wizards for a cool $105 million over seven years.
        Riley was mostly upset by the league, once telling ESPN, ”I spent the weekend at my proctologist’s trying to remove the N.B.A.’s 17-foot pole out of my rear end.” But Riley was also upset at Falk and his FAME (Falk Associates Management Enterprises) conglomerate, who also represented Alonzo Mourning. From FAME’s perspective, they were just doing their job. Essentially Falk ended up leveraging Riley and the Heat to get more money for Howard, who was believed to prefer playing in Washington the whole time, alongside his buddy Chris Webber, who was sent to Sacramento for Mitch Richmond and Otis Thorpe two years later, the worst trade in franchise history.


        Not the samething but what I was saying is that they've shown before they're not afraid to get involved in player transactions involving teams.
        #RespectTheCulture

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        • ProfessaPackMan
          Bamma
          • Mar 2008
          • 63852

          #1594
          Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

          Originally posted by aholbert32
          This is going to get ugly. I wouldn't be surprised if he sued and asked for an injunction either Friday or Monday. Stern has to find a way to get him to LA.
          And what would his case be?
          #RespectTheCulture

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          • SuperNoVa27
            Pro
            • Apr 2009
            • 898

            #1595
            Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

            Originally posted by TheMatrix31
            Just proves my thoughts about Paul being a primadonna punk. Go ahead bro don't report to camp tomorrow. Yeah I'm really sure that is gonna help the case you think you have that you're taking to the oh-so-effective NBA Players Union headed by the oh-so -effective Billy Hunter.
            Paul is a primadonna punk? Have you even met the man? The Hornets have done nothing to help him in NOH and he decided to move on. People act like they are gods with a golden morale and wouldn't pursue winning....

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            • Weeks
              L Corleone
              • Aug 2009
              • 2990

              #1596
              Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

              Don't even begin with Paul being a "punk". SMH

              Edit: towards matrix, not you supernova
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              • jfsolo
                Live Action, please?
                • May 2003
                • 12965

                #1597
                Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

                I actually hope the deal doesn't get revived. Paul is a great player, but in my opinion, there has never been, and will never be, a 6 foot guard great enough to give up two skilled, versatile big men for.

                I disagree with practically everything he writes, but in this instance, I completely agree with Hollinger, the owners actually stopped the Lakers from getting worse.
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                Do this today: Instead of $%*#!@& on a game you're not going to play or movie you're not going to watch, say something good about a piece of media you're excited about.

                Do the same thing tomorrow. And the next. Now do it forever.

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                • TheMatrix31
                  RF
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 52897

                  #1598
                  Originally posted by aholbert32
                  MLB is just as bad. The Rays made it to the WS one year but 2 yrs later Carl Crawford signed with the Sox. Its just as bad if not worse than the NBA.
                  I dunno man. I think baseball is pretty good competition wise. Sure, a lot of stars go to the big teams but that doesn't always translate into success. I suppose that's the nature of the sport anyway.

                  I did a breakdown going back to 1990 for both the NBA and the MLB a while ago regarding who's made it to and won the WS/Finals, baseball came out better. And that's with less teams per postseason too.

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                  • Bad_Intentions
                    All Star
                    • Oct 2002
                    • 5392

                    #1599
                    Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

                    Originally posted by BlueNGold

                    I think a hard cap would have helped to prevent these types of things from happening.
                    This is what I was hoping for. A hard cap is the only real thing that can somewhat even the playing field. It will be interesting to see how the big name owners tackle the luxury tax in a couple years. I read something that said this past season LA paid 19.9 mil in luxury taxes, but under the new tax it would be 44-45 mil. That is more than double! I know guys like Cuban and Buss would pay it glady, but if you pay that much in luxury tax, then the 60+ mil in salaries and your team doesn't win it all, it would be a pretty tough pill to swallow.

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                    • 1Rose
                      Banned
                      • Jun 2011
                      • 2562

                      #1600
                      Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

                      Baseball is a totally different monster. You really can't compare the two.

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                      • ProfessaPackMan
                        Bamma
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 63852

                        #1601
                        Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

                        Isn't this much more fun than debating BRIs and CBAs and Leverages and what not?
                        #RespectTheCulture

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                        • Drewski
                          Basketball Reasons
                          • Jun 2011
                          • 3783

                          #1602
                          Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

                          I know everyone hates ESPN but I agree here with Adande.

                          The Hornets would have received Lamar Odom, Luis Scola, Kevin Martin, and Goran Dragic. That's one of the most versatile players in the league, a guy who averages 18 and 10, a proven 20-a-night scorer, and a point guard who, if nothing else, has shown he can have a 23-point fourth quarter in a playoff game against the Spurs. You can compete for the playoffs with that team. You're going to tell me that's worse than the package of Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov and draft picks that the Nuggets received for Carmelo Anthony?

                          Perhaps the league would like it better if the Hornets got a package from the Los Angeles Clippers that included Eric Gordon, DeAndre Jordan and Minnesota's unprotected first-round pick. Except the Clippers never offered that. Now there's no pressure on them to do so without their in-house rival driving up the bid.
                          Last edited by Drewski; 12-09-2011, 12:38 AM.
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                          • TheMatrix31
                            RF
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 52897

                            #1603
                            Originally posted by SuperNoVa27
                            Paul is a primadonna punk? Have you even met the man? The Hornets have done nothing to help him in NOH and he decided to move on. People act like they are gods with a golden morale and wouldn't pursue winning....
                            I don't have to meet someone to judge how the present themselves. I stand by my comments.

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                            • aholbert32
                              (aka Alberto)
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 33106

                              #1604
                              Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

                              Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                              And what would his case be?
                              Conflict of interest/Violation of Labor Laws.

                              He has some decent facts:

                              - League office made it clear that Demps could control and make final decision on all transactions.

                              - Demps was satisfied with the trade and was willing to proceed.

                              - Stern has not shown that a majority of owners were against this trade.

                              - Other 28 owners have a clear conflict of interest to prevent another team to add a star player.

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                              • 1Rose
                                Banned
                                • Jun 2011
                                • 2562

                                #1605
                                Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

                                Originally posted by TheMatrix31
                                I don't have to meet someone to judge how the present themselves. I stand by my comments.
                                I agree. 90% of them are primadonnas.

                                Dwight doesn't like cold weather? Exactly.

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