Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

[ProfessaPackMan]

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From Tupac's Twitter

Iam2Pac 33sec via mobile MJ BACK!!! MJ BACK!!!! HE'S GONNA PLAY FOR THE KNICKS BECAUSE MJ BACK!!!!

[Drewski]

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From Tupac's Twitter

Where have you been PPM?

[WTF]

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The 15th story ledge... We had to talk him back off after the terrible start by the Nets

Seriously PPM, where you been?

[Drewski]

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The 15th story ledge... We had to talk him back off after the terrible start by the Nets

Seriously PPM, where you been?

ROFL.

Or serenading Otis Smith?

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Holidays and Fam so you know how that goes. Hope you guys' holidays were as good as mine

I knew we would suck....but this is reaching 12-70 levels and I could make a good case for THAT team being better than THIS current roster.

Oh and Drewski, I think I owe you this: Andrew Bynum is a better Center PERIOD than Brook Lopez in almost any way. Yeah he has the injury issue but when it's not an issue....SMH. So yeah, I owe you that from last year and I will concede on that and that's no sarcasm either my man. Enjoy Duhwight when ya'll get him!

[Drewski]

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Oh and Drewski, I think I owe you this: Andrew Bynum is a better Center PERIOD than Brook Lopez in almost any way. Yeah he has the injury issue but when it's not an issue....SMH. So yeah, I owe you that from last year and I will concede on that and that's no sarcasm either my man. Enjoy Duhwight when ya'll get him!

Haha, thanks man, I appreciate that. Really was disappointed to see Brook go down so quickly, he's still a great talent and has pretty big potential. He's so agile for his size, much more agile than Bynum. His faceup game is nasty, and it's hillarious because Drew's taken like three jumpers this year and just looks horrid. Really bad position for the Nets to be in with Brook out for what, 4-6 weeks (last I heard)? As much as I would have loved Dwight on the Lakers, it would have been nice to see another team pull it together especially out East (Keep Dwight out of the West unless its in purp and gold)

As far as Andrew Bynum, we'll have to see. I think he has shown alot in the first few games (pre-season included), but I still hold my breath when he takes any type of impact around that knee. Will definitely be interesting to see what happens with him going forward, and if Bynum's play has actually made it even harder for Jim Buss to let go of his prodigal draft pick.

Glad to hear your holidays were great, I figured as much after I posted. Cheers to a new year of NBA

[ScoobySnax]

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Looks like Nate Robinson is going to sign with Golden State. I'm sure he can bring a little (no pun intended) spark off the bench.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/218025/Nate_Robinson_To_Sign_With_Warriors

[Eman5805]

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Hornets, Grizz, and 76ers are workin' on a deal. Speights to Memphis, Xavier Henry to NOLA, and two 2nd rounders to the Philly.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7423424/memphis-grizzlies-talks-philadelphia-76ers-marreese-speights-sources-say

If Henry can get healthy, dude was an excellent 3pt shooter in college. And the Hornets need some of that now with Gordon on the mend.

[LionsFanNJ]

I guess Memphis wants to out-big everybody then?

[23]

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Looks like Nate Robinson is going to sign with Golden State. I'm sure he can bring a little (no pun intended) spark off the bench.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap..._With_Warriors

They're enamored with short guards arent they

[Chrisksaint]

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Hornets, Grizz, and 76ers are workin' on a deal. Speights to Memphis, Xavier Henry to NOLA, and two 2nd rounders to the Philly.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7423424/memphis-grizzlies-talks-philadelphia-76ers-marreese-speights-sources-say

If Henry can get healthy, dude was an excellent 3pt shooter in college. And the Hornets need some of that now with Gordon on the mend.

I wanted him in the draft when he entered, nice bench player for us now if he can put together some offense he showed at Kansas.

[tehova]

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I wanted him in the draft when he entered, nice bench player for us now if he can put together some offense he showed at Kansas.

I wrote him off in Memphis, not sad to see him out the door

[ScoobySnax]

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Huge if it ended up going through. Only if he can lose the ****ty attitude and bring some intensity out on the court.

According to a league source, the Nets are looking to trade for Kings center DeMarcus Cousins, who earlier this week had a falling-out with Sacramento coach Paul Westphal.

It’s unclear if the Kings are ready to deal Cousins — the No. 4 pick in 2010 out of Kentucky — but the team released a statement Sunday condemning the 21-year-old for his lack of commitment to the club while stating he demanded a trade.
Cousins, who was excused from Sunday’s game in New Orleans and dressed Tuesday night against the Grizzlies, denied that he demanded a trade, and the Kings said they won’t deal him


Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...#ixzz1iVwfKKou

[ex carrabba fan]

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Former Clipper players sound off on LAC

“All you do is take the man’s word and take that he said that no one is going to go anywhere,” Gordon told Yahoo! Sports. “… To completely lie like that is something unprofessional.”

Said Gordon: “They literally told me as an organization that they wanted to keep me, and [the trade still] went down?”

Chris Kaman: “The Clippers didn’t tell me anything. They didn’t tell me I was traded or nothing after eight years. They didn’t have the guts to come tell me they traded me.”

“They’re very professional,” Kaman said. “I’m not used to that. No, serious. It was an adjustment. After eight years [with the Clippers], I didn’t know it could be like this. I wasn’t used to it. The way they handle business … they’re up front with you and they tell you what’s going on and what’s going to happen.”

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=ArVI5mdZPIHF5NRzoZG0Um.8vLYF?slug=mc-spears_eric_gordon_chris_kaman_clippers_nba_010412

[Dice]

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Seriously doubt this would happen since the Bulls were reluctant to trade for Melo last year. Even though some of the scenarios he presented did make sense.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2012/01/04/trade-monta-ellis-to-chicago-for-a-rugged-defender-just-makes-too-much-sense-to-ever-happen/

Trade Monta Ellis to Chicago for a rugged defender? Just makes too much sense to ever happen

Posted by Tim Kawakami on January 4th, 2012 at 12:56 pm | Categorized as NBA, Warriors

If two teams were ever set up to make a big, bold trade that would help both and wouldn’t have too much risk of seriously messing up whatever good things they’ve got going on, it’s the Warriors and Bulls.

* They’re in different conferences, so no worries about trading a star to somebody who might prove you wrong multiple times a year and often in the playoffs.

* The two teams have totally different (realistic) short-term goals.

The Bulls can win a title this season, if they make the right addition or two.

The Warriors… not so much.

* They have totally different roster compositions and uniquely different weaknesses that are the opposite of each other.

Actually, this is where the Warriors and Bulls match-up most perfectly.

–The Warriors need an efficient, high-quality, rugged big defensive player, preferably one who can score on the low post, but mostly a defensive-minded force.

The GSWs can afford to peel away one of their top scorers if they get the right kind of player in return.

They’re overloaded with talented scoring players who aren’t very good on defense, though Mark Jackson keeps saying that he can get them to play D.
(Jackson has adjusted to this by piping in several new defensive-minded players–Brandon Rush, Dominic McGuire, Kwame Brown–but that has dragged the GSW scoring pace down faster than it has brought up the D, so far.

(What the Warriors need to do: Get a defensive-minded player who is also one of their better all-around players, which isn’t possible when their best three players are Curry, Ellis and Lee.)

Meanwhile, the Bulls need a wing player who can create his own shot and score in bunches when their offensive stalls.

The Bulls are overloaded with fierce defensive big men who can’t score, though coach Tom Thibodeau believes he can get them to.

The Bulls have Joakim Noah, Taj Gibson, Omer Asik & Luol Deng, just to name four tough-minded C/Fs. They probably only need 3.

Major point of emphasis: The Bulls go into more serious scoring droughts than any team that good should experience; for the most recent example, I point you to their 26-point first half against Atlanta last night.

And they’re also so good (example: coming back to beat Atlanta 76-74 that just one more prolific scorer could tilt everything. (But they still shot only 33.8% in the game.)

Derrick Rose needs someone to help carry the load, maybe for 7 or 8 minutes at a time, maybe for a whole game if things are going right.

And it might not be Rip Hamilton (too old and creaky), Kyle Korver (very guardable) or Ronnie Brewer (please).

* The conclusion: Monta Ellis can be the Bulls’ version of Vinnie Johnson or Andrew Toney, lights-out scorers who were key pieces of title runs when used properly and judiciously.

Or Ellis could balance out Rose’s responsibilities the way Jannero Pargo helped out Chris Paul for a playoff run or two in New Orleans a few years back. Or the way Ben Gordon used to be so dangerous for the Bulls before he left as a free agent.

Ellis, as we all know, can be as explosive as any of those guys, can get his shot, and can occasionally be a team’s entire offense for many, many possessions.

With a team as stocked as the Bulls, Ellis could be the last piece.

With the Warriors, he’s an entertaining extravagance and an ever-lasting reason they can finish in 11th place in the West (but not get a top-4 pick), year after year.

I think Joe Lacob & Co. have essentially decided that Stephen Curry is the main guy, if they have to choose. It’s the right decision.

So the Warriors need to fit pieces alongside Curry, not guys who exaggerate his deficiencies. As has been mentioned a million times: The Ellis/Curry backcourt is, was and probably always will be a recipe for .500 or worse.

(Lacob assuredly doesn’t agree with that last conclusion, and neither does Mark Jackson, but oh well. They will prove me wrong or they will keep failing to make the playoffs, one or the other.)
Two questions if the Warriors and Bulls start talking seriously:

–Who plays shooting guard if the Warriors trade Ellis and don’t get one back? I’d suggest that Brandon Rush & Klay Thompson can split some of those minutes, and that eventually the GSWs would have to draft a bigger scoring guard who meshes better with Curry, anyway.

Not a glaring problem from the Warriors’ side, I’d think. It’s a ticket-selling question, because Ellis is box-office candy, but not a long-term win-games problem.

–Can Ellis fit in with Chicago’s defense-first style? OK, Ellis might not quite fit in coach Thibodeau’s big picture, but that’s part of the point, too.
When you’re going for a title, and you keep running into the same problem, you have to bend a little on the philosophical stand to help solve the problem.

I think Ellis is almost ideal for Chicago, if he just half-way buys into the defensive system and if the Bulls fit him in as a scoring infusion to whom they’d have to give some defensive leeway.

What kind of deal could be made? I have some suggestions, as you knew I would…

* The intriguing deal: Ellis for Joakim Noah. You can do this deal straight-up salary-wise.

If I’m the GSWs, I’d do this trade in a heartbeat–Noah isn’t a perfect player, but he’s an incredible defensive presence and can guard the best centers and power forwards every night you ask him to.

In fact, I’ve heard that the teams had very general conversations involving Ellis and Noah around draft time last year; the conversations didn’t go far, but the names were broached.

Maybe the Bulls wouldn’t want to move their defensive standard-bearer for a small guard. I’d understand that. (But they do have Asik to move right in there, and Gibson, too.)

Maybe Lacob couldn’t bear to do it. But again, if I was the Warriors, I’d do it.

By the way, a move for Noah matches what they tried to do in free agency, aiming for prime defensive centers Tyson Chandler and DeAndre Jordan.

Noah’s as good or better than either on the defensive side. If you have to sacrifice Ellis to do it… that’s the cost of doing business.

There’d be some questions about how Noah would fit offensively with the Warriors set up, but you can always figure that out the fly while he’s patrolling the middle and protecting the rim.
* The Warriors-favored deal: Ellis and Ekpe Udoh for Luol Deng and Omer Asik.

Deng is getting a ton of money (almost $28M for the two seasons after this one) and Asik has a lot of limitations offensively, but if the Warriors could plug those into the frontline, they’d have a very different looking team.

I doubt the Bulls would do this one–especially because I’ve heard they (rightly) value Asik as the back-up C almost as much as they do Noah.



* The Bulls-favored deal: Ellis for Taj Gibson, C.J. Watson and Ronnie Brewer.

This is a no-go for me, if I was the Warriors–you can’t trade Ellis for three non-starters. However much I respect his game, I don’t think Gibson would even start on the GSWs.

But I know Marcus Thompson II would give the GSWs the green light on this one, if he was asked.

* The one the Bulls would LOVE to do: Ellis and Udoh (or some other salary-filler) for Carlos Boozer.

Boozer has three years, $47M left after this season, he’s not very good any more, and he’s basically a short PF with a decent jump shot and a vanished post game.

He might snap back to life, but in 6 games this season, Boozer’s at or near career-low averages in points, rebounds, assists, FG% and minutes.

I doubt the Warriors would want any part of Boozer, who turned 30 recently.

* Some other combinations…
-Ellis for Deng straight up. Don’t know that the GSWs give up Ellis unless it’s for a pure PF or C, and that’s not Deng. But Deng is a classic two-way player, which the GSW do not have.

Don’t know that the Bulls would do this, since Deng is so crucial to everything they do.
-Ellis, Udoh and David Lee/Andris Biedrins for Deng and Boozer. Too much flotsam and mess on both sides to truly balance it out.

-I could point out that the expiring contract of Charlie Bell would’ve helped out the Warriors in all trade scenarios… except they used the amnesty clause on him, so that option is gone, goodbye.

And so is the amnesty option.