NBA Off Topic

[Boltman]

Re: NBA Off Topic

The Lakers were winning during Hack-a-Shaq.

I know you don't want to admit that the commissioner of the NBA is biased towards your favorite team, but come on. This is something that's been going on for a long time, and all of a sudden Stern is super concerned with it because its affecting Dwight Howard and the Lakers, the NBA's biggest cash cow.

So he is thinking about this because they aren't winning? If they start winning then it'll subside?

Well then, in that case the Commish better get on this rule change asap. I mean c'mon, we are the NBA's biggest cash cow after all. Hopefully he can get this implemented by the all star break.

It's a rubbish rule change proposal and it will never happen, nor should it. For reasons that you see or otherwise. So we are in agreement about that at least.

[NYJets]

Re: NBA Off Topic

Interesting article about how all missed shots aren't equal:

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8719297/how-kobe-bryant-missed-shots-translate-new-nba-statistic-kobe-assist

[SteelersFreak]

Re: NBA Off Topic

So he is thinking about this because they aren't winning? If they start winning then it'll subside?

Well then, in that case the Commish better get on this rule change asap. I mean c'mon, we are the NBA's biggest cash cow after all. Hopefully he can get this implemented by the all star break.

It's a rubbish rule change proposal and it will never happen, nor should it. For reasons that you see or otherwise. So we are in agreement about that at least.

Yes, I think it is in part because the Lakers are struggling right now and its affecting the team chemistry of the league's biggest marketing tool outside of Miami. If Miami had Dwight Howard and the same thing was happening I think Stern would be saying similar things.

But I don't think its a coincidence that Stern decides to pipe up about something that's been happening for over a decade on a regular basis at the same time that its affecting the Lakers in a very negative way. Its in part because the Lakers are such a big draw for the NBA and its in part because its in the spotlight so much right now.

[Vni]

Re: NBA Off Topic

It's like Stern is against strategy... Fining (?) the spurs for resting out their main players, a rule against hack'a'whoever. He just wants high p'n'r and dunks it seems.

[23]

Re: NBA Off Topic

Interesting article about how all missed shots aren't equal:
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/...ic-kobe-assist

[King_B_Mack]

Re: NBA Off Topic

Interesting article about how all missed shots aren't equal:
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/...ic-kobe-assist

That is the dumbest article I've read in a while and I regret that I can't get the time spent reading it back. No knock on you of course. Just a stupid, pointless article.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: NBA Off Topic

I thought the Knicks were the league's biggest cash cow?

[iLLosophy]

Re: NBA Off Topic

That is the dumbest article I've read in a while and I regret that I can't get the time spent reading it back. No knock on you of course. Just a stupid, pointless article.

I don't like how they try to say Kobe is great because he's shooting bricks, but it has a great point. It is a legitimate strategy, especially when luring out shot blockers and you got someone like Dwight, Griffin, Kevin Love crashing the boards.

Remember when Rockets won in 95, when it came down to the final play and Drexler drove to the hole and almost all of the defense converged on him, leaving Hakeem with the easy tip in? (This is the best video i can find, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1tf28qahCo) I don't know if that is how Drexler or Rudy planned, it, but you can't tell me that isn't a great strategy to put in your toolkit.

Even if you're shooting from midrange, it's essentially an alley oop with an extra step. The extra step is - pretend like you're shooting to get a help defender to commit to you. If a help defender knows you're going to pass, they're not going to come guard you, but if you're "shooting", they get out of position to challenge your shot, which leads to their man getting easy cleanup buckets.

[kingkilla56]

Re: NBA Off Topic

If you have a play that involves "after the miss, grab the rebound for the putback" then you're doing basketball wrong.

Instead of implying that missing a shot can be as effective as making it, the author should have just said offensive rebounds are awesome.

[King_B_Mack]

Re: NBA Off Topic

I don't like how they try to say Kobe is great because he's shooting bricks, but it has a great point. It is a legitimate strategy, especially when luring out shot blockers and you got someone like Dwight, Griffin, Kevin Love crashing the boards.

Remember when Rockets won in 95, when it came down to the final play and Drexler drove to the hole and almost all of the defense converged on him, leaving Hakeem with the easy tip in? (This is the best video i can find, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1tf28qahCo) I don't know if that is how Drexler or Rudy planned, it, but you can't tell me that isn't a great strategy to put in your toolkit.

Even if you're shooting from midrange, it's essentially an alley oop with an extra step. The extra step is - pretend like you're shooting to get a help defender to commit to you. If a help defender knows you're going to pass, they're not going to come guard you, but if you're "shooting", they get out of position to challenge your shot, which leads to their man getting easy cleanup buckets.

I'm sorry but kingkilla hit the nail on the head. If your strategy is to just miss shots to get the easy putback then that's a failure of epic proportions in the game of basketball. Even if that was a "great strategy" exactly how long and how far do you think your team could get with that kind of strategy?

[iLLosophy]

Re: NBA Off Topic

If you have a play that involves "after the miss, grab the rebound for the putback" then you're doing basketball wrong.

Instead of implying that missing a shot can be as effective as making it, the author should have just said offensive rebounds are awesome.

Obviously making the shot is the best case scenario, but what I'm saying is, Deron Williams shooting with Javelle McGee is considered a poor shot selection, but Deron Williams shooting over Javelle McGee who left Kris Humphries by himself under the basket increases the odds that his team will score. If he can't make the clear pass to Humphries, shooting it would be the next best thing.

I'm saying there's nothing wrong with teaching players to be aware of these situations and drawing up plays that favor these opportunities. I'm not on board with the article making it seem like Kobe is a mastermind, when it's pretty obvious he's just chucking.

[23]

Re: NBA Off Topic

Obviously making the shot is the best case scenario, but what I'm saying is, Deron Williams shooting with Javelle McGee is considered a poor shot selection, but Deron Williams shooting over Javelle McGee who left Kris Humphries by himself under the basket increases the odds that his team will score. If he can't make the clear pass to Humphries, shooting it would be the next best thing.

I'm saying there's nothing wrong with teaching players to be aware of these situations and drawing up plays that favor these opportunities. I'm not on board with the article making it seem like Kobe is a mastermind, when it's pretty obvious he's just chucking.

For anyone to imply that ballhogging and bricking is some kind of a good things is a total and complete idiot

This is just some twilight zone beatwriter logic to justify something that's not right and never will be

I'm telling you its people out there that justifies anything Kobe does... People are losing their freaking minds

[NYJets]

Re: NBA Off Topic

Article isn't saying that it's good strategy to jack up shots and hope for put backs, and it's not saying that this should seriously be a stat. It's just saying that there's more than FG% to tell how efficient a player is. For instance, with Melo, it's very common for him to drive into the lane, miss, get his own board, miss again, rebound, and finally score. That's 33% which isn't good but since Melo being inside leads to so many offensive rebounds, him taking a lot of shots inside is very efficient. Melo settling for long 2's and 3's and shooting a low percentage is not efficient, they don't lead to offensive rebounds.

The other part I thought was interesting was about bigs like Love and Brand who can step out and hit outside jumpers, but they also take themselves out of rebounding position. May be better for a guard who shoots a slightly lower percentage to take those shots.

I don't know why he mentioned Kobe so much, the actual examples he used weren't so much about that. It was more about designing an offense that puts guys in position to take advantage of their strengths, and when doing that you have to consider shooting, rebounding, and defense because it's all connected.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: NBA Off Topic

Obviously making the shot is the best case scenario, but what I'm saying is, Deron Williams shooting with Javelle McGee is considered a poor shot selection, but Deron Williams shooting over Javelle McGee who left Kris Humphries by himself under the basket increases the odds that his team will score. If he can't make the clear pass to Humphries, shooting it would be the next best thing.

I think I see where you're coming from and I kinda agree this example. Makes a little bit more sense when you use a different example besides the Kobe one, heh.

This is why in SOME cases, I'm more focused on WHERE the shots are being taken as opposed to how many shots someone had.

[Hassan Darkside]

Re: NBA Off Topic

Shump working on his game. His rap game:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/gcxpcAZqMo8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Song flows well with my avatar.