Most complete PF today

[flyJODO]

Re: Most complete PF today

Remember guys this is about the 'most complete' PF not the 'best PF'.

I would say Aldridge and Gasol have the most complete games. Good post moves, mid-range jumpers, passing, solid defense and rebounding. Griffin, Love, and Nowitzki are better than them in some aspects (Griffin-athleticism, Love-rebounding, Nowitzki-shooting, etc.) but Aldridge and Gasol can do all of those things rather well.

Also, I would put Garnett and Duncan in the discussion as 'most complete' but they're to old to do it at an all-star level. With that said here is my short list:

1. Aldridge
2. Pau Gasol
3. Millsap
4. Love
5. Griffin/Nowitzki

If we are talking about the best PF in the game than it's a different story.

[SteelersFreak]

Re: Most complete PF today

Remember guys this is about the 'most complete' PF not the 'best PF'.

I would say Aldridge and Gasol have the most complete games. Good post moves, mid-range jumpers, passing, solid defense and rebounding. Griffin, Love, and Nowitzki are better than them in some aspects (Griffin-athleticism, Love-rebounding, Nowitzki-shooting, etc.) but Aldridge and Gasol can do all of those things rather well.

Also, I would put Garnett and Duncan in the discussion as 'most complete' but they're to old to do it at an all-star level. With that said here is my short list:

1. Aldridge
2. Pau Gasol
3. Millsap
4. Love
5. Griffin/Nowitzki

If we are talking about the best PF in the game than it's a different story.

Since you seem to be such an expert on complete power forwards, I would love an explanation on how Paul Millsap has a more "complete" game than Dirk and how Blake Griffin has an equally "complete" game.

[iLLosophy]

Re: Most complete PF today

Remember guys this is about the 'most complete' PF not the 'best PF'.

I would say Aldridge and Gasol have the most complete games. Good post moves, mid-range jumpers, passing, solid defense and rebounding. Griffin, Love, and Nowitzki are better than them in some aspects (Griffin-athleticism, Love-rebounding, Nowitzki-shooting, etc.) but Aldridge and Gasol can do all of those things rather well.

Also, I would put Garnett and Duncan in the discussion as 'most complete' but they're to old to do it at an all-star level. With that said here is my short list:

1. Aldridge
2. Pau Gasol
3. Millsap
4. Love
5. Griffin/Nowitzki

If we are talking about the best PF in the game than it's a different story.

Well let's grade it by category

Major Categories for PF (Weight of 2.0)

Post Defense:
Gasol A
Garnett A
Duncan A-
Griffin B+
Aldridge B+
Nowitzki B+
Love B
Millsap B

Post Offense:
Gasol A
Aldridge A
Nowitzki A
Garnett A-
Griffin B+
Love B+
Millsap B+
Duncan B-

Rebounding:
Love A
Griffin A-
Duncan A-
Millsap A-
Gasol B
Garnett B,
Aldridge C+
Nowitzki C+

Minor Categories for PF (Weight of 1.0)

Passing:
Duncan A
Garnett A-
Aldridge A-
Griffin B+
Gasol B+
Nowitzki B
Millsap B
Love C+

Spot Up Shooting
Garnett A
Gasol A
Love A-
Aldridge A-
Nowitzki B+
Millsap B
Duncan B-
Griffin C

Pick & Roll Defense
Garnett A
Griffin A-
Aldridge A-
Love B
Gasol B
Millsap B-
Duncan B-
Nowitzki C

Add it all up and you get the following GPA:

Garnett 3.67
Gasol 3.60
Aldridge 3.37
Griffin/Love 3.30
Duncan 3.26
Millsap 3.18
Nowitzki 3.14



I know you guys will dispute some of these grades and try to validate this, but I think it's safe to say Garnett ain't thrown in the towel just yet.

[wwharton]

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After all the recent posts about him, how is Dirk not even included there ^ lol

[iLLosophy]

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After all the recent posts about him, how is Dirk not even included there ^ lol

I had the slight suspicion I was forgetting someone. I updated it. Note this is based soley on this season, so this is "I shouldn't have played during the summer" dirk, not 2011 Finals MVP dirk (he would probably be closer to Blake/Love/Aldridge).

[SteelersFreak]

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I had the slight suspicion I was forgetting someone. I updated it. Note this is based soley on this season, so this is "I shouldn't have played during the summer" dirk, not 2011 Finals MVP dirk (he would probably be closer to Blake/Love/Aldridge).

Last 5 games Dirk is playing pretty damn close to 2011 Finals MVP Dirk.

And how in the world is Dirk a worse spot-up shooter than all those guys you listed? Dirk is one of the best shooters in the league, much less among power forwards.

[ghettogeeksta]

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I cant stand Dirk because he is the biggest flopper in NBA history. He over exaggerates every little bump and the refs call it everytime. Best power fowards, Kevin Love and Lamarcus.

[SteelersFreak]

Re: Most complete PF today

I cant stand Dirk because he is the biggest flopper in NBA history. He over exaggerates every little bump and the refs call it everytime. Best power fowards, Kevin Love and Lamarcus.

Have you seen the guy run? He's awkward as hell, a lot of his "flops" are just him getting off balance and falling. To say he flops more than a guy like Manu is a little silly though.

[TheMatrix31]

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I cant stand Dirk because he is the biggest flopper in NBA history. He over exaggerates every little bump and the refs call it everytime. Best power fowards, Kevin Love and Lamarcus.

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[bkrich83]

Re: Most complete PF today

I cant stand Dirk because he is the biggest flopper in NBA history. He over exaggerates every little bump and the refs call it everytime. Best power fowards, Kevin Love and Lamarcus.

Wait, what?

[iLLosophy]

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Last 5 games Dirk is playing pretty damn close to 2011 Finals MVP Dirk.

And how in the world is Dirk a worse spot-up shooter than all those guys you listed? Dirk is one of the best shooters in the league, much less among power forwards.

Yeah he has been in top form since he took those games off. But he's been shooting like crap prior to that. Like i said, this is based on this season. If you want to take in history prior to that, Duncan would be MUCH MUCH...... MUCH better.

[SteelersFreak]

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Yeah he has been in top form since he took those games off. But he's been shooting like crap prior to that. Like i said, this is based on this season. If you want to take in history prior to that, Duncan would be MUCH MUCH...... MUCH better.

I could care less if one of the best power forwards of all time is ranked above Dirk, what I think is silly is that you've guys like Paul Millsap, Kevin Garnett and Blake Griffin ranked above him.

[iLLosophy]

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I could care less if one of the best power forwards of all time is ranked above Dirk, what I think is silly is that you've guys like Paul Millsap, Kevin Garnett and Blake Griffin ranked above him.

Man all this time I thought Garnett was one of the best power forwards of all time...silly me

As somebody pointed out in a previous thread, this is talking about most complete PF....not necessarily "the best" or "who would you rather have".

[drshorty31]

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amare can shoot the mid range , drive , and rebound. hes a more complete PF then dirk imo.

[Nathan_OS]

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amare can shoot the mid range , drive , and rebound. hes a more complete PF then dirk imo.

With good defense, Amare is limited.

His main strength is really only the pick and roll.

Dirks game is all around. You could put him as a small forward, power forward, or center. IMO