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  • Chrisksaint
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    • Apr 2010
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    #616
    Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

    I just don't see how it's fixed, officials are in the back room and witness it happen and see the combinations. Maybe it's changed over the years, but don't see it being fixed now or in recent years.

    I do agree with the suspicions, cause it's fishy just from the luck/circumstances of it. But it seems every year we go through this whole it's fixed thing
    Last edited by Chrisksaint; 05-31-2012, 04:49 PM.
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    • wwharton
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      • Aug 2002
      • 26949

      #617
      Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

      Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
      If this was still New Jersey, then you'd be correct.

      Otherwise, you're crazy(not literally lol)to think the league doesn't want BOTH New York Teams(since that is what we are now)to do well just like they'd rather have both LA Teams do well at the sametime. They may not care if one of them loses(mainly the Nets) but they damn sure would rather have both New York AND Brooklyn do well.

      I said back in this thread early on that it would be "interesting" if Brooklyn got the first pick(Barkley and others said the samething)because of the fact you have Stern's hometown getting a team with a new Arena, new Owner AND already having an elite PG in tow...it made TOO much sense for BK to win the Lottery this year.

      And honestly, they would've been the only team where I would've probably called Shenanigans on...that is until the Hornets were finally sold, then they get the 2014 All Star Game and then on top of that hearing Stern's comments right AFTER they were sold. That's when it started to add up like, "Wait a minute now...".
      I may be literally, lol.

      I hear you... those are all good points. And while I agree the league would love both NY teams to do well just like they would both LA teams, the still don't really care about the Clippers and I'm not convinced that's any different with the Nets. I think the lines to wanting to help NO this year still > than the Nets. We'll see next year, lol.

      Originally posted by PrettyT11
      I have seen numerous post here and stuff other places where people are saying its rigged. Hell there was even a guy here saying it was rigged before the lotto even happened.

      I'm just saying when people want to go looking for something there is always something to try and spin or make something small into something big.

      One of my previous post dispells all that recent draft history stuff. If there was such a thing as a fix then Oden and Durant wouldn't have ended up where they went. The Clippers wouldn't have won the lotto when they was the worst franchise in all of sports. Toronto and Milwaukee wouldn't have won the lotto. Tim Duncan would have been a Celtic instead of playing in San Antonio (again that would have been the easiest fix to get away with). Or they would remember that the Cavs actually had the worst record in the league when they got LeBron and so on and so on. But I get it though nobody mentions none of those years because it doesn't go along with their it's rigged storylines or theory.
      That's assuming it's fixed EVERY year, and if/when it is that we can always get a bead on why. But seriously, whatever man. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. I will saying it's pretty annoying that it's THIS easy to wonder. I never get behind these things and I'm pretty sure Pack usually doesn't either. Both of us are discussing it and others on the sideline are asking why we can't see the balls. They just need to make this process more transparent and it ain't that hard to do.

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      • PrettyT11
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        • Jul 2008
        • 3220

        #618
        Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

        Wwharton I get what you are saying. But don't you think if there ever was a time to fix the lotto Tim Duncan's draft would have been the one to do it?? I mean aside from Ewing and maybe Shaq Tim Duncan was the biggest slam dunk number one pick up to that point. It would have been an easy one to get away with since Boston had so many ping pong balls and yet he ended up in San Antonio.

        Another that really stands out to me is 2007. Again there was two can't miss prospects and Oden was being regarded as the best big man prospect since Tim Duncan if not since Bill Russell. Durant was being viewed as one of the best scoring prospect in the last 20 years. And yet again look where they ended up. If ever there was a time to make sure at least one of them landed in a big market or at least on the east coast it would have been then.

        I just don't see how or why David Stern would fix the draft for prospects like Davis, Irving, and Wall and then not for prospects the likes of Duncan, Durant, and Oden. For as much as people get on Stern for and deservedly so one thing he is not is stupid. I just don't see him taking that kind of chance ever to fix the lotto knowing that if it ever came out it would pretty much destroy the league he spent the time building up to the global game it is today especially not for teams like the Hornets, Wizards, or Cavs.

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        • wwharton
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          • Aug 2002
          • 26949

          #619
          Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

          Originally posted by Chrisksaint
          I just don't see how it's fixed, officials are in the back room and witness it happen and see the combinations. Maybe it's changed over the years, but don't see it being fixed now or in recent years.
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          • BlueNGold
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            • Aug 2009
            • 21817

            #620
            Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

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            NEW YORK — The number to watch, I learned while observing the NBA’s actual lottery drawing on Wednesday night, is the lowest one in the four-number sequence of ping-pong balls that determine which team gets the top pick in the draft. The balls are drawn from one of those air-powered lottery machines more than an hour before the television broadcast of the lottery, in a room open only to officials from the 14 lottery teams (one from each) and a few media members. Everyone in the room must surrender mobile devices and slip them in yellow packing envelopes, and no one is allowed to leave until ESPN’s telecast is over.

            There are elaborate rules to the process and contingency plans in case of a power outage or if multiple balls fly out of the machine at once — disaster scenarios that have never happened. (The plan in case of a power outage, by the way: A league official sticks all the balls inside a basketball with an opening cut into the top, and they draw from the makeshift Spalding.)

            Each lottery team is assigned a batch of four-number sequences, of which there are 1,001 in total, all involving various combinations of the numbers “1″ through “14.” The league assigns the sequences chronologically, so that the Bobcats, the team with the best odds of winning the lottery, got the first 250 sequences — all containing the number “1.” The Charlotte sequences started with “1-2-3-4″ and went up to “1-7-12-14.” Though the Wizards, the team with the second-best odds, also had some sequences containing a “1,” the odds were very high that if a “1″ came up at all among the four ping-pong balls, the No. 1 pick would belong to the Bobcats.

            The machine whirred the balls around for the required 20 seconds and spit out the first number — a “6.” Ten more seconds of scrambling passed before a “4″ emerged. Hornets general manager Dell Demps scanned a worksheet of his team’s sequences and noticed that at least a few were in play after the “6-4″ drawing. New Orleans had the fourth-best odds of winning the top pick — a 13.7 percent long shot — meaning many of its sequences contained a “4.” A lower number, Demps knew, would shift the pick elsewhere. After the mandatory 10-second pause for the remaining 12 balls to bounce around inside the machine, a league official drew out the next ball — a “9.” Demps was in business.
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            • wwharton
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              • Aug 2002
              • 26949

              #621
              Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

              Originally posted by PrettyT11
              Wwharton I get what you are saying. But don't you think if there ever was a time to fix the lotto Tim Duncan's draft would have been the one to do it?? I mean aside from Ewing and maybe Shaq Tim Duncan was the biggest slam dunk number one pick up to that point. It would have been an easy one to get away with since Boston had so many ping pong balls and yet he ended up in San Antonio.

              Another that really stands out to me is 2007. Again there was two can't miss prospects and Oden was being regarded as the best big man prospect since Tim Duncan if not since Bill Russell. Durant was being viewed as one of the best scoring prospect in the last 20 years. And yet again look where they ended up. If ever there was a time to make sure at least one of them landed in a big market or at least on the east coast it would have been then.

              I just don't see how or why David Stern would fix the draft for prospects like Davis, Irving, and Wall and then not for prospects the likes of Duncan, Durant, and Oden. For as much as people get on Stern for and deservedly so one thing he is not is stupid. I just don't see him taking that kind of chance ever to fix the lotto knowing that if it ever came out it would pretty much destroy the league he spent the time building up to the global game it is today especially not for teams like the Hornets, Wizards, or Cavs.
              Good question on the Duncan year. He was a pretty solid #1 pick, the Spurs losing DR wouldn't seem like enough to swing the "fix" in their direction. There may be some other explanation for it, or it may just be bc it's not rigged, lol.

              I don't feel the same way about 2007 though. As hyped as Durant was I think he's far exceeded expectations to this point in his pro career. And Oden was expected to be a really good big man but not someone expected to be on the level of Shaq/Lebron/etc.

              This is my thought on the years I wouldn't be surprised if it were fixed (even though I'm not saying it was).

              Ewing - this may be the one year I actually think it WAS fixed.
              Lebron - local boy stays in Cleveland
              Rose - local boy stays in Chicago
              Wall - beloved owner passes, throw the franchise a bone
              Irving - James took a royal dump felt nationally on that franchise
              Davis - NBA pays back it's favors

              And if they were to fix any draft I don't think they'd fix every draft so there'd be plenty that weren't. These just really make me raise an eyebrow for those reasons. In the grand scheme of things, is it really all that shocking that the 3rd or 4th worse team ends up at #1? Or that the Clippers end up at #1 the year before? Not really.

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              • Rawdeal28
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                • Oct 2007
                • 7407

                #622
                Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                Originally posted by wwharton
                Already mentioned but it wasn't ping pong balls, and many believe this is exactly why they DON'T show the process now, lol.

                I don't know why but I don't really care if it's rigged or not. And I'm not generally big on conspiracy theories but this just smells way too funny. Someone mentioned 4 or 5 teams and I see where you're going, but I honestly wouldn't have raised an eyebrow for anyone but the Hornets.

                The feel good stories were listed... so was Rose going back to Chicago. Ironically no one mentioned James staying home in Ohio. Dwight following Shaq in Orlando. It seems the biggest question marks in my mind happen in the years when the #1 pick is a no brainer. The years when it's up in the air, draft seems pretty random. When we can tell you who's going #1 before the end of the NCAA season, seems we can probably tell you who that player's going to also.
                yeah, thats how i feel about it as well.

                it would be to obvious to have a hand in it every year.

                EDIT: im late. u just said the same thing.
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                • Checmate101
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                  • Mar 2006
                  • 9947

                  #623
                  Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                  Is Seth Curry in this draft?
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                  • Marino
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                    • Jan 2008
                    • 18113

                    #624
                    Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                    Can we get on to the actual draft discussion? I want to know what guy you think will be a bust when he comes to the Bobcats.

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                    • l3ulvl
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Dec 2009
                      • 17256

                      #625
                      Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                      Originally posted by Marino
                      Can we get on to the actual draft discussion? I want to know what guy you think will be a bust when he comes to the Bobcats.
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                      • Marino
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                        • Jan 2008
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                        #626
                        Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                        Originally posted by l3ulvl
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                        No way he gets drafted that high. I think the pick will either be Andre Drummond (DeAndre Jordon the next) or Thomas Robinson. Maybe Beal or MKG, depends on the coach.

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                        • Checmate101
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                          • Mar 2006
                          • 9947

                          #627
                          Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                          Originally posted by Marino
                          Can we get on to the actual draft discussion? I want to know what guy you think will be a bust when he comes to the Bobcats.

                          Well, looking at the Bobcats roster..Y'all really need a bigman, and this might sound crazy, but maybe y'all should go after Drummond..
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                          • Checmate101
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                            • Mar 2006
                            • 9947

                            #628
                            Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                            We have 2 second round picks, wonder if we can trade one of them picks and package Blatche and get another vet somewhere.
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                            • l3ulvl
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Dec 2009
                              • 17256

                              #629
                              Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                              Originally posted by Marino
                              No way he gets drafted that high. I think the pick will either be Andre Drummond (DeAndre Jordon the next) or Thomas Robinson. Maybe Beal or MKG, depends on the coach.
                              In that case, Drummond
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                              • Marino
                                Moderator
                                • Jan 2008
                                • 18113

                                #630
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                                Originally posted by Checmate101
                                Well, looking at the Bobcats roster..Y'all really need a bigman, and this might sound crazy, but maybe y'all should go after Drummond..
                                Bobcats boards (yes we have them and they are pretty active lol) are stuck between Drummond and TRob. I want TRob, I dont trust us developing Drummond.

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