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  • Fiasco West
    MVP
    • Oct 2008
    • 2820

    #4981
    Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

    Originally posted by ex carrabba fan

    I won't even discuss Houston right now and their logic, because I can't be mad at a team for trying and still keeping their options open, unlike what Detroit did that one year with Gordon and Charlie V. However even if they got Dwight Howard, that core wouldn't win squat. If you think that would be a viable contender, I won't even argue it.
    I understand this move a lot more than the recent Dwight and Pau moves. That's for sure. Both of those I did not get at all.

    This one I get. Morey thinks Harden is going to be a franchise player. I don't think he can personally... but Morey does. I always want my GM to get 'his guy' if he really believes this then fine. We'll see.

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    • Fiasco West
      MVP
      • Oct 2008
      • 2820

      #4982
      Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

      Originally posted by bigeastbumrush
      The only team I think they'll be better than is Charlotte and maybe Washington.

      And yes, I listed 4 players because one of them will slip.

      EDIT: and Orlando
      Wiggins is part of the 2014 draft class.

      The other 3 are all presumably coming out for the 2013 draft class and will all be top 3 players...presumably. Then again Drummond was a top 3 pick once and slipped, could happen to any of these guys since they aren't coming out of high-school any more and scouts can see if they have any weaknesses with one year of college ball.

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      • bigeastbumrush
        My Momma's Son
        • Feb 2003
        • 19245

        #4983
        Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

        Originally posted by Fiasco West
        Wiggins is part of the 2014 draft class.

        The other 3 are all presumably coming out for the 2013 draft class and will all be top 3 players...presumably. Then again Drummond was a top 3 pick once and slipped, could happen to any of these guys since they aren't coming out of high-school any more and scouts can see if they have any weaknesses with one year of college ball.
        Wiggins is 2013...

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        • TheLetterZ
          All Star
          • Jul 2002
          • 6752

          #4984
          Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

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          • TheLetterZ
            All Star
            • Jul 2002
            • 6752

            #4985
            Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

            Originally posted by bigeastbumrush
            Wiggins is 2013...
            Wiggins has reclassified to the 2013 high school class, yes.

            But what Fiasco West said is that Wiggins is part of the 2014 draft class, which is correct.

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            • J_Posse
              Greatness Personified
              • Jun 2005
              • 11255

              #4986
              Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

              Originally posted by Championships
              A change of scenery can do a lot positively for players, I think KMart will become a better player because of that fan base in Oklahoma City.

              The JLamb part of the trade was sort of questionable for Houston, if Lamb becomes a rookie of the year candidate in OKC everyone's going to look back at this trade and have a good laugh.
              Fans aren't going to help Martin shot better or actually defend someone. He is who he is which is an aging, one-dimesional player that can only score coming off screens. Now, the Thunder have to hope that Westbrook can return to averaging 7-8 assists and Eric Maynor can completely recover after his injury or they're playmaking and passing has taken a huge, huge hit.

              Lamb will probably (barring injury) see spot minutes or most of his time in the D-League. He won't be a factor this season.

              So are we to assume that Perry Jones will see the bulk of his minutes at SF? The Thunder bench looks all kinds of weak, even though it was weak after Collison, Maynor and Harden, after this trade. That's okay though because depth is coming after this season................
              Last edited by J_Posse; 10-28-2012, 12:46 PM.
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              • bigeastbumrush
                My Momma's Son
                • Feb 2003
                • 19245

                #4987
                Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                Originally posted by TheLetterZ
                Wiggins has reclassified to the 2013 high school class, yes.

                But what Fiasco West said is that Wiggins is part of the 2014 draft class, which is correct.
                Sorry about that.

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                • Yeah...THAT Guy
                  Once in a Lifetime Memory
                  • Dec 2006
                  • 17294

                  #4988
                  Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                  Originally posted by Suntan Superman
                  Why does everyone auto assume Toronto will be terrible? I'm not a huge fan of them, but they're a late lottery/possible 8 seed(with the fall of the Sixers, Hawks, Magic)

                  I doubt the 2013/14 pick turns into a #4 Overall...
                  Maybe I'm wrong, but what fall of the 76ers?

                  Hawks and Magic sure, but the Hawks are still better on paper than the Raptors, and you have teams like the Bucks, Pistons, and Nets that are probably all ahead of them as well.
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                  • jfsolo
                    Live Action, please?
                    • May 2003
                    • 12965

                    #4989
                    Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                    Unless he's just blowing smoke like some people think, then Morley is the only person who believes that Harden can be a number one guy. IMO, on the right team he could develop into a great number two guy, but the number one on that team would need to be a dominant low post scoring big. Those guys are, of course, almost extinct now. Harden may still end up being a solid number two, but I don't think that he will be someone who is worthy of max money. Then again, the max money qualifications seem to be getting lower and lower.

                    That 5th year clause, and Harden's grumbling during the finals, definitely explains why a deal with OKC wasn't made.
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                    • ProfessaPackMan
                      Bamma
                      • Mar 2008
                      • 63852

                      #4990
                      Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                      Originally posted by Yeah...THAT Guy
                      Maybe I'm wrong, but what fall of the 76ers?

                      Hawks and Magic sure, but the Hawks are still better on paper than the Raptors, and you have teams like the Bucks, Pistons, and Nets that are probably all ahead of them as well.
                      Yeah but how much better?

                      Probably not that much if we're just looking at them on paper.
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                      • TheLetterZ
                        All Star
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 6752

                        #4991
                        Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                        Originally posted by jfsolo
                        Unless he's just blowing smoke like some people think, then Morley is the only person who believes that Harden can be a number one guy. IMO, on the right team he could develop into a great number two guy, but the number one on that team would need to be a dominant low post scoring big. Those guys are, of course, almost extinct now. Harden may still end up being a solid number two, but I don't think that he will be someone who is worthy of max money. Then again, the max money qualifications seem to be getting lower and lower.

                        That 5th year clause, and Harden's grumbling during the finals, definitely explains why a deal with OKC wasn't made.
                        As featured in the graphic I posted, Harden averaged 30 points per 36 minutes on 50+% shooting when Westbrook and/or Durant weren't on the court.

                        He can and will score without them.

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                        • Yeah...THAT Guy
                          Once in a Lifetime Memory
                          • Dec 2006
                          • 17294

                          #4992
                          Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                          Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                          Yeah but how much better?

                          Probably not that much if we're just looking at them on paper.
                          I don't know, I'd be very surprised if the Hawks don't beat the Raptors (if they don't end up moving Smith or Horford).

                          At the end of the day, Heat, Knicks, Nets, Celtics, Pacers, and 76ers are basically locks for the playoffs. The Bulls are most likely going to be fine if Rose comes back for like half the season. And then you're down to one spot between the Bucks, Hawks, Pistons, and Raptors. Raptors are probably the least likely of the 4 to get that spot.

                          And that's while banking on Valanciunas being everything he's been hyped up to be. If he doesn't pan out this year, they could be one of the worst teams in the league.
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                          • Wet Jumper
                            Rookie
                            • Sep 2012
                            • 12

                            #4993
                            Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                            I think Mchale will develop Asik into a scoring big...not sure about dominate...but he has the ability.

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                            • Yeah...THAT Guy
                              Once in a Lifetime Memory
                              • Dec 2006
                              • 17294

                              #4994
                              Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                              Originally posted by TheLetterZ
                              As featured in the graphic I posted, Harden averaged 30 points per 36 minutes on 50+% shooting when Westbrook and/or Durant weren't on the court.

                              He can and will score without them.
                              That was also speculating his production per 36 minutes based on 5 minutes a game. Not exactly much to go on. Add up all the minutes he played last year without Durant on the floor and it's like 3 36 minute games. Tiny sample size.
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                              • TheLetterZ
                                All Star
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 6752

                                #4995
                                Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                                Originally posted by Yeah...THAT Guy
                                That was also speculating his production per 36 minutes based on 5 minutes a game. Not exactly much to go on. Add up all the minutes he played last year without Durant on the floor and it's like 3 36 minute games. Tiny sample size.
                                We're talking about a total of 3109 minutes over the last two years. That's a fairly large sample size.

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