Something has to be done to shift the power in the NBA

[TheLetterZ]

Re: Something has to be done to shift the power in the NBA

Let me just break down all your examples, Rocky.

Lebron James willingly went to Miami. Not traditionally a "big market." He chose Miami expressly due to the opportunity to play with Dwyane Wade (and Chris Bosh) and win a championship.

Dwight Howard was traded to the Lakers and has shown zero interest in signing an extension so far. Indications are that he will test free agency, and if he does go back to the Lakers from there, it will be because they have his Bird rights and can pay him more money, and also because they have a good supporting cast.

Deron Williams willingly signed with Brooklyn. He chose the Nets over the Mavericks at the last second. As I've already said, he's on the record as saying that he chose them because they (with the newly added Joe Johnson) have a better chance of winning a title.

Carmelo Anthony requested a trade to the Knicks because he was born and grew up in New York, went to college nearby at Syracuse, and wanted to play with Amare Stoudemire. Those are reasonable reasons beyond New York simply being a big market.

Chris Bosh went from a slightly larger market in Toronto to Miami, which as mentioned above, is not traditionally a big market that is known for getting stars. He went there because he wanted to play with LeBron and Wade.

Chris Paul was traded to the Clippers and has already declined a $60M extension offer, despite the fact that they're in a "big market." If he does end up signing an extension, it will be because he thinks he can win a title playing with Blake Griffin.

Amare Stoudamire signed with the Knicks. When he signed, he made it clear that he wanted to play for Mike D'Antoni in New York and he was very optimistic that the Knicks would sign LeBron or Dwyane Wade to team up with him.

Nothing about those guys suggests to me that being a "big market" is major reason for those teams getting those players and being able to keep them long-term.

[NYJets]

Re: Something has to be done to shift the power in the NBA

Amare Stoudamire signed with the Knicks. When he signed, he made it clear that he wanted to play for Mike D'Antoni in New York and he was very optimistic that the Knicks would sign LeBron or Dwyane Wade to team up with him.

Also, the Knicks were the only team who were willing to give him a fully guaranteed, full max contract.

[TheLetterZ]

Re: Something has to be done to shift the power in the NBA

Also, the Knicks were the only team who were willing to give him a fully guaranteed, full max contract.

Yes! Thank you for adding that.

[Virtualc]

Re: Something has to be done to shift the power in the NBA

Here's a couple things a lot of people are complaining about the NBA but lets take a look back over the last 30 years. The NBA was dominated by the Celtics and Lakers in the 80's. The 90's were dominated by the Bulls. In the begining over 00's the Lakers dominated for a while. Now if u look over the last couple of years no team has really dominated there has been a different champion every year. Now there is multiple teams that could win titles this year and last year and I think it's exciting. Super teams are exciting and there are a couple teams in the west or east that could sneak in.

Now for the small market teams they need to market better and also hire good gms. The Spurs are a small market and they always have a good team. You need to know who u are hiring and make trades for the right players. Players will go anywhere if they have a chance to win. Yes LA and NY are number one but there are only 3 slots in each team there so there is room for the small markets to succeed it's just up to the gms to do there job right and take the right chances.

[Rocky]

Re: Something has to be done to shift the power in the NBA

Let me just break down all your examples, Rocky.

Lebron James willingly went to Miami. Not traditionally a "big market." He chose Miami expressly due to the opportunity to play with Dwyane Wade (and Chris Bosh) and win a championship.

Dwight Howard was traded to the Lakers and has shown zero interest in signing an extension so far. Indications are that he will test free agency, and if he does go back to the Lakers from there, it will be because they have his Bird rights and can pay him more money, and also because they have a good supporting cast.

Deron Williams willingly signed with Brooklyn. He chose the Nets over the Mavericks at the last second. As I've already said, he's on the record as saying that he chose them because they (with the newly added Joe Johnson) have a better chance of winning a title.

Carmelo Anthony requested a trade to the Knicks because he was born and grew up in New York, went to college nearby at Syracuse, and wanted to play with Amare Stoudemire. Those are reasonable reasons beyond New York simply being a big market.

Chris Bosh went from a slightly larger market in Toronto to Miami, which as mentioned above, is not traditionally a big market that is known for getting stars. He went there because he wanted to play with LeBron and Wade.

Chris Paul was traded to the Clippers and has already declined a $60M extension offer, despite the fact that they're in a "big market." If he does end up signing an extension, it will be because he thinks he can win a title playing with Blake Griffin.

Amare Stoudamire signed with the Knicks. When he signed, he made it clear that he wanted to play for Mike D'Antoni in New York and he was very optimistic that the Knicks would sign LeBron or Dwyane Wade to team up with him.

Nothing about those guys suggests to me that being a "big market" is major reason for those teams getting those players and being able to keep them long-term.

Ok, you win. It's merely coincidence that those stars ended in NY, LA, or Miami. Or as some believe in this thread, the brilliance of the front offices for the Nets, Knicks, and Clippers and their reputation for putting out championship teams.

[TheLetterZ]

Re: Something has to be done to shift the power in the NBA

Right, because it's very likely that players aren't complex reasonably logical decision-makers who make choices based on who can pay them the most money or who they think they can win a championship with.

You're right. Their entire decision-making process boils down to, "DURRRRRR, NEW YORK, YO!!!11"

[da ThRONe]

Re: Something has to be done to shift the power in the NBA

Right, because it's very likely that players aren't complex reasonably logical decision-makers who make choices based on who can pay them the most money or who they think they can win a championship with.

You're right. Their entire decision-making process boils down to, "DURRRRRR, NEW YORK, YO!!!11"

We know Bosh refused to team with LeBron in Cleveland.

I'm not sure anybody believe being on a glam team is the end all be all. However how can you make a case that it doesn't give significant advantages that non-glam teams simply don't have.

The glam team advantages are growing. Once again it's no coincidence that all these stars/superstars are ending up on those teams.

[23]

Re: Something has to be done to shift the power in the NBA

I think certain teams seems to find some kind of extra push or help or get a ton of breaks for some reason

LA has NEVER had to build through the draft like an OKC or SA

The Spurs won 4 rings in the 200's.... FOUR! and the NBA and media casted them as boring the entire time. They never got the real support they should have, and every year after that has been aw they're finished theyre done, yet these guys always find no namers and make good on them every single year

NY has been trash for a long time but that was becuase of the management turmoil that went on for so many years, Laden, Isaiah, and once Walsh came in he began to clean things up, until Isaiah got back involved.

What I don't like is how a team in a large market can afford more than another because of the tax, which should be there to stifle unfair advantages not just make a team shell out more money

No other team in the league has an all star starting 5 except for one team
Its not a coincidence at all is it?

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: Something has to be done to shift the power in the NBA

Huh? Only one team has 5 all-stars in the starting lineup? Which team is this? I can think of three teams with about 4 all-star caliber players in their starting lineups.

[23]

Re: Something has to be done to shift the power in the NBA

Go ahead and ignore the rest of the post.. Go right ahead

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: Something has to be done to shift the power in the NBA

Go ahead and ignore the rest of the post.. Go right ahead

I'm just asking you a simple question on something you posted. Doesn't mean I ignored the rest of it, it means I agreed with it, sheesh. Now answer the question.

[C the Lyte]

Re: Something has to be done to shift the power in the NBA

Why would anyone would want to "shift the power" in pro sports leagues is beyond me.

[23]

Re: Something has to be done to shift the power in the NBA

I'm just asking you a simple question on something you posted. Doesn't mean I ignored the rest of it, it means I agreed with it, sheesh. Now answer the question.

I asked a question.. I asked one for one

There is alot of sentiment that market doesn't matter... I understand the disagreement with the OP but I won't say he's very very far away from a good point.

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: Something has to be done to shift the power in the NBA

I asked a question.. I asked one for one

There is alot of sentiment that market doesn't matter... I understand the disagreement with the OP but I won't say he's very very far away from a good point.

You asked a question that made no sense. You're asking if it's a coincidence that only one team has 5 all-stars in their starting lineup. I ask you, which team is this? I don't know one that exists in the league. Like I said, I know of three teams with around 4 all-star caliber players.

[23]

Re: Something has to be done to shift the power in the NBA

You asked a question that made no sense. You're asking if it's a coincidence that only one team has 5 all-stars in their starting lineup. I ask you, which team is this? I don't know one that exists in the league. Like I said, I know of three teams with around 4 all-star caliber players.

no sense?

K