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    yellow
    • Sep 2002
    • 66469

    #736
    Re: 10/30 - 11/7 Games Discussion Thread.

    I don't think Russ and Kd went into EMO mode like Rondo did

    Will be interesting to see what they do with who they have though

    Its that time again Scotty Brooks lol

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    • jeebs9
      Fear is the Unknown
      • Oct 2008
      • 47568

      #737
      Re: 10/30 - 11/7 Games Discussion Thread.

      I remember watching the Rondo interview of him finding out. His face looked like he lost best he's friend haha.
      Hands Down....Man Down - 2k9 memories
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IHP_5GUBQo

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      • ProfessaPackMan
        Bamma
        • Mar 2008
        • 63852

        #738
        Re: 10/30 - 11/7 Games Discussion Thread.

        And people say the only games that matter are the ones in April, May and June.

        Pfffffffffffffffft
        #RespectTheCulture

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        • Vni
          Hall Of Fame
          • Sep 2011
          • 14833

          #739
          Re: 10/30 - 11/7 Games Discussion Thread.

          Originally posted by CMH
          I find this funny because I should ask why he isn't.

          To also answer 23's comment, it is part of what's being talked about here because the problem with Mike Brown is he doesn't put his team's in a position to win. You can't say: "It's only two games, everyone wants to blame Brown" and then shoot down my comment that I've been blaming Brown since he was hired. That is talking exactly about the issue that's been brought up here.

          Brown is terrible because he has little understanding of his own team's strengths. He's another one of those "it's my way or the highway" coaches.

          In Cleveland he didn't trust anyone but LeBron and rode that to the Finals. But you can't win a championship with that mindset. Once the Spurs clamped down on LeBron, the rest of the roster was at a loss. Sure, the team wasn't especially talented after James, but when you expect less of them, you make it difficult to have them rise to an occasion.

          In LA he made little adjustments once he took over and did nothing to hinder Kobe's shooting volume. Look, I'm all about letting the stars carry a team, but you've gotta put the brakes somewhere. Brown was always willing to comment on someone else's performance, but said little of Kobe not trusting his teammates to carry a bit of the load. It was Cleveland all over again.

          Now this year he is adamant in running this Princeton offense despite having a point guard that isn't suited for that system.

          My opinion is good coaches develop schemes that enhance everyone's strength. They don't have one system. They have systems. Mike Brown is trying to push one system and ignoring how it devalues his roster. Granted not all of it, but enough of it.

          Yes it takes time to adjust to a new offense, but lest we forget that Dallas has new players as does Portland. They didn't seem to have much trouble figuring things out. The Lakers look lost.

          Turnovers are more a result of miscommunication then lack of skill. Again, they lack familiarity, but it's also the coach's job to put his players in position to limit those turnovers. Mike Brown didn't do that last year.

          Anyone that seriously expects he will do it this year is delusional.


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          I'am not hating on Brown's offense to be honest. I've seen great things from it with Pau, Kobe and even Dwight getting free throws at will. I see how dominant they can be. But whatever offense Brown ran I hardly see how Steve nash would have really been the perfect guy for the job. Defense though, it's terrible. Nash let everyone goes by him and it feels like the whole team is glued to the ground. MWP is worrying, i've never seen him that slow and shaky with the ball. The bench is pretty much useless also. Blake doesn't bring anything that Nash doesn't already, and Meeks and Jamison haven't shown nothing at all. Hill is still a pretty good second center.

          Brown's task isn't easy at all and I'd blame more kupchak at this point than him.

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          • ex carrabba fan
            I'll thank him for you
            • Oct 2004
            • 32744

            #740
            Re: 10/30 - 11/7 Games Discussion Thread.

            Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
            I'm not on either side but I do love people who say things like this, especially after 1 game because then if in the next 6-7 games he struggles and doesn't do much, then the same people saying these things or close to them are either nowhere to be found or they'll have some sort of excuse ready. Whereas if he has a night like tonight, then you get stuff like "So you can't build a team around James Harden, huh" or "And they said you can't win with Harden" Lol.
            Impressive debut no doubt, but to the guy asking if people are going to delete their comments because of one freaking regular season game against the Detroit Pistons? Come come.
            Originally posted by The 24th Letter
            And If he had a bad game tonight., you'd just as quickly see posts like "They maxed out this guy?" and see those same guys go ghost if he runs off 6-7 great games.

            As always, works both ways lol
            True. It was the first night of the regular season, I love reading boards during this time.
            Originally posted by 23
            Or dish and they don't even show then on the local channel 9 anymore

            They've been there ok road games when magic and worthy were playing

            They screwed a ton of people with that contact deal

            Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk 2
            Yeah they did screw a lot of people, but they'll most likely come to an agreement to appease most everyone. It's the only way they could pay their luxary tax to get all these players in the first place.
            Originally posted by WTF
            If every game could be Grizzlies/Clippers, I'd be in Heaven. I love this matchup. Dudes legit go at one another every trip down the floor. This is NBA basketball.
            Both of these teams are as legit as anyone out West and I believed so last year if not for injuries to ZBO, CP3/Billups/Blake. Great basketball and I love that they don't like each other at all.
            Originally posted by 23
            Thats not the question here

            Its every loss its one of the two reasons as if theyre supposed to win every game regardless

            They came into a buzzsaw last night in Portland, and that first game was a shame but missing FT's and not playing defense will do that to you. can't blame the coach for that
            Sounds familiar with other coaches throughout recent years. i.e. Spoelstra, Del Negro.
            Originally posted by mkharsh33
            I understand the preseason is pretty much meaningless...

            ...but with that said, the Lakers are (in essence) on a 10 game losing streak. In they're history they've never went 0-fer the preseason. And when you watch them play, it appears something is just very wrong about them.

            Look, Steve Nash didn't suddenly turn 85 this offseason. He's not the fastest dude on 2 legs, I'll grant you that. But this team is built to start with the ball in his hands and THEN disperse it.

            In my opinion, the best looking player on this team is Pau Gasol... Yeah, Kobe is Kobe - I get that. But this offense is made for Pau. Now, do you truly believe that the Lakers should have Pau as their high-post facilitator as their best option? Sorry, can't happen... With Pau running this offense, Nash becomes useless... So now you've got a 38 year old PG on the hook for a good deal of money, and 3 years of this...

            Someone tell me how Mike Brown won't have his head rolled if this thing doesn't turn around quickly?

            They won't be able to trade out of this mess...they'll be able to "fire" they're way out of it. You watch...
            Pau is certainly not the best player on Los Angeles just based off his non existent defense. He hasn't played defense since 2009 and it's truly puzzling. He let's smaller people post him up, he let's smaller people get offensive rebuonds and he won't play a lick of pick and roll defense. He aint the only one, it's Kobe too.

            LA certainly has issues but the princeton offense has it's benefits. It keeps Nash fresh and it keeps everyone moving.

            Defensively they are atrocious and have been for the past few years. Kobe and Pau simply don't give you consistent effort. You need all five guys as a unit to defend and depending on Ron and Dwight to mask Nash/Kobe/Pau aint gonna get you a ring.

            Here's Mike Brown's reasoning:

            "Every time down the floor — and if they want to, they can call Steve Nash and ask him — Steve Nash has the right to play pick-and-roll if he wants to," Brown said. "He has said it himself that he doesn't feel like he's as burdened because he doesn't have to make every play for everybody all the time with what we're trying to do. He can give it up and still have a chance to get it back. He's said that he feels as fresh as he's ever felt in his career because he doesn't feel the pressure of making every single play."
            The Clippers are easily the better team to watch and they were last year as well. I actually found myself watching the Clips much more last year and also last night than the Lakers.
            Last edited by ex carrabba fan; 11-01-2012, 03:06 PM.

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            • bigeastbumrush
              My Momma's Son
              • Feb 2003
              • 19245

              #741
              Re: 10/30 - 11/7 Games Discussion Thread.

              Originally posted by Vni
              I'am not hating on Brown's offense to be honest. I've seen great things from it with Pau, Kobe and even Dwight getting free throws at will. I see how dominant they can be. But whatever offense Brown ran I hardly see how Steve nash would have really been the perfect guy for the job. Defense though, it's terrible. Nash let everyone goes by him and it feels like the whole team is glued to the ground. MWP is worrying, i've never seen him that slow and shaky with the ball. The bench is pretty much useless also. Blake doesn't bring anything that Nash doesn't already, and Meeks and Jamison haven't shown nothing at all. Hill is still a pretty good second center.

              Brown's task isn't easy at all and I'd blame more kupchak at this point than him.
              Kupchak?

              Just a few months ago...he was being praised as some sort of assassin. Had other GMs quaking in their boots.

              Now this is his fault?

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              • ex carrabba fan
                I'll thank him for you
                • Oct 2004
                • 32744

                #742
                Re: 10/30 - 11/7 Games Discussion Thread.

                Originally posted by bigeastbumrush
                Kupchak?

                Just a few months ago...he was being praised as some sort of assassin. Had other GMs quaking in their boots.

                Now this is his fault?
                Kupcake is the last person anyone should be blaming. How about the players put some damn effort in? If you flipped between the Clipper and Laker game last night, you'd be amazed.

                In the big picture of the season, LA should be good to go when the playoffs start if they're healthy, but on a smaller scale their current struggles have to do with their defensive effort. They play like they don't really want it.

                Brown's rotations are a bit odd. Plays Meeks in the first game doesn't play Ebanks. Then last night he flip flops that and doesn't even play Jordan Hill 10 minutes. I just don't know what goes through this guy's head at times. I feel like a set rotation is probably the best way to go.

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                • Vni
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Sep 2011
                  • 14833

                  #743
                  Re: 10/30 - 11/7 Games Discussion Thread.

                  Originally posted by bigeastbumrush
                  Kupchak?

                  Just a few months ago...he was being praised as some sort of assassin. Had other GMs quaking in their boots.

                  Now this is his fault?
                  I personnaly haven't praised anyone so I don't know what has that got to do with anything. I'am not even blaming him or anybody else, just saying Brown isn't the one responsible for everything that happens and people are quick to want people fired when we're only 2 games into the season.

                  Though when looking at the roster it didn't take a genius to see some was wrong and that there was some huge and exploitable weaknesses.

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                  • ProfessaPackMan
                    Bamma
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 63852

                    #744
                    Re: 10/30 - 11/7 Games Discussion Thread.

                    Rondo on the flagrant he received in Miami:

                    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/JtI8a_stvuY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

                    And Doc on D.Wade

                    A. Sherrod Blakely@SherrodbCSN
                    "My thought was Wade, I know where he grew up. I thought he was tougher than that."-#Celtics Doc Rivers on Wade's "punk play" comment.
                    #RespectTheCulture

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                    • CMH
                      Making you famous
                      • Oct 2002
                      • 26203

                      #745
                      Re: 10/30 - 11/7 Games Discussion Thread.

                      Quote:

                      "Every time down the floor — and if they want to, they can call Steve Nash and ask him — Steve Nash has the right to play pick-and-roll if he wants to," Brown said. "He has said it himself that he doesn't feel like he's as burdened because he doesn't have to make every play for everybody all the time with what we're trying to do. He can give it up and still have a chance to get it back. He's said that he feels as fresh as he's ever felt in his career because he doesn't feel the pressure of making every single play."

                      If that's the case then I'll eat my words. I'm just not seeing it.
                      "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

                      "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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                      • CMH
                        Making you famous
                        • Oct 2002
                        • 26203

                        #746
                        Re: 10/30 - 11/7 Games Discussion Thread.

                        Originally posted by 23
                        I wasn't saying that... I said that's not the question because I wasn't pandering whether or not Brown is a good coach, because I dont think any of us thinks so
                        No one was pandering if he was. People were pandering if he deserves the blame right now.

                        And I said he has deserved it since last season.

                        Still not seeing how I'm talking about anything different than you are.
                        "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

                        "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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                        • WTF
                          MVP
                          • Aug 2002
                          • 20274

                          #747
                          Re: 10/30 - 11/7 Games Discussion Thread.

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                          • 23
                            yellow
                            • Sep 2002
                            • 66469

                            #748
                            Originally posted by CMH
                            No one was pandering if he was. People were pandering if he deserves the blame right now.

                            And I said he has deserved it since last season.

                            Still not seeing how I'm talking about anything different than you are.
                            You and I aren't saying anything different.

                            I'm on the guys ignoring the other parts I mentioned

                            Mike brown is a career assistant coach

                            Difference with him is he shows it on his face

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                            • Nathan_OS
                              MVP
                              • Jun 2011
                              • 4465

                              #749
                              Re: 10/30 - 11/7 Games Discussion Thread.

                              My question now that James Harden is gone, WHO is going to distibute the ball for OKC of the bench? They were last in assist last year.

                              And any news on Ginoibili playing tonight?
                              PSN: MajorJosephx

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                              • Raider131
                                Rookie
                                • Jan 2011
                                • 343

                                #750
                                Re: 10/30 - 11/7 Games Discussion Thread.

                                Originally posted by Nathan_OS
                                My question now that James Harden is gone, WHO is going to distibute the ball for OKC of the bench? They were last in assist last year.

                                And any news on Ginoibili playing tonight?
                                Eric Maynor is back after missing all of last year

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