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  • Shaver
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    • Jul 2002
    • 10148

    #181
    Re: Why is no one talking about Carmelo?

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    Makaveli071 said:
    I didnt say excuse him, i simple said you shoudl stop bitching about his defense not being top-notch, your just trying to exploit his defense, when the fact is it isnt the worse D in the league, i mean the man he guards doesnt just blow him out of the water every night do they?

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    • mgoblue
      Go Wings!
      • Jul 2002
      • 25477

      #182
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      Makaveli071 said:
      I didnt say excuse him, i simple said you shoudl stop bitching about his defense not being top-notch, your just trying to exploit his defense, when the fact is it isnt the worse D in the league, i mean the man he guards doesnt just blow him out of the water every night do they?

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      he might not have the worst D in the league, but I don't think he'd fit into the total defensive domination mindset of the Pistons...D is the Pistons main game right now
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      • mgoblue
        Go Wings!
        • Jul 2002
        • 25477

        #183
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        Makaveli071 said:
        I didnt say excuse him, i simple said you shoudl stop bitching about his defense not being top-notch, your just trying to exploit his defense, when the fact is it isnt the worse D in the league, i mean the man he guards doesnt just blow him out of the water every night do they?

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        he might not have the worst D in the league, but I don't think he'd fit into the total defensive domination mindset of the Pistons...D is the Pistons main game right now
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        • mgoblue
          Go Wings!
          • Jul 2002
          • 25477

          #184
          Re: Why is no one talking about Carmelo?

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          Makaveli071 said:
          I didnt say excuse him, i simple said you shoudl stop bitching about his defense not being top-notch, your just trying to exploit his defense, when the fact is it isnt the worse D in the league, i mean the man he guards doesnt just blow him out of the water every night do they?

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          he might not have the worst D in the league, but I don't think he'd fit into the total defensive domination mindset of the Pistons...D is the Pistons main game right now
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          • bigeastbumrush
            My Momma's Son
            • Feb 2003
            • 19245

            #185
            Re: Why is no one talking about Carmelo?

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            OneBadMutha said:
            I watched a few games of his (both against Detroit and a couple from the NBA package) and he's got a lot of issues with his game that no one talks about. He's a very good finisher but every other aspect of his game "screams" rookie

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            Hellooooooooooooo.

            Since when did he become a 10-year vet?

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            • bigeastbumrush
              My Momma's Son
              • Feb 2003
              • 19245

              #186
              Re: Why is no one talking about Carmelo?

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              OneBadMutha said:
              I watched a few games of his (both against Detroit and a couple from the NBA package) and he's got a lot of issues with his game that no one talks about. He's a very good finisher but every other aspect of his game "screams" rookie

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              Hellooooooooooooo.

              Since when did he become a 10-year vet?

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              • bigeastbumrush
                My Momma's Son
                • Feb 2003
                • 19245

                #187
                Re: Why is no one talking about Carmelo?

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                OneBadMutha said:
                I watched a few games of his (both against Detroit and a couple from the NBA package) and he's got a lot of issues with his game that no one talks about. He's a very good finisher but every other aspect of his game "screams" rookie

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                Hellooooooooooooo.

                Since when did he become a 10-year vet?

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                • SiK_WiT_iT
                  Pro
                  • Oct 2003
                  • 741

                  #188
                  Re: Why is no one talking about Carmelo?

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                  OneBadMutha said:
                  Some people think that if Detroit had Melo they would be a "true" contender. The problem is that they, along with many clueless people in the media, think about building teams in the NBA like you would build up your Fantasy Basketball team. Melo is good for Denver because they were a team with no offensive leaders and needed a go-to guy. In Detroit his role would be completely different and his game wouldn't get the praise it does in Denver. I watched a few games of his (both against Detroit and a couple from the NBA package) and he's got a lot of issues with his game that no one talks about. He's a very good finisher but every other aspect of his game "screams" rookie and his game would hurt Detroit as much as help them right now.

                  In Denver where nobody plays defense, there's lots of fast break opportunities, and the coach runs the offense through him giving him 20 shots a night -- his pluses outweigh his negatives. Melo gives absolutly no energy on the defensive end. He saves all his energy for offense and often tries cherry picking for the fast break. On the defensive end of the court, there's not one player on Detroit that's worse than Melo -- not one -- not even the clueless (but learning) Darko. On offense, Melo still hasn't learned how to make good decisions. As long as he's allowed to jack it up a will, he's comfortable. When it comes to ball movement, getting teammates involved, and avoiding taking bad shots -- he's still a rookie. His turnover to assist ratio is the worst in the league for perimter players with his minutes.

                  Also people fail to consider Larry Brown. There's been games this year where he's benched Memo after Memo had 12 or 15 point quarters on good shooting percentages. To him, he doesn't care if you make the shot -- a bad shot is still a bad shot. He's also benched Memo (and other players) for taking too many shots and not sharing the ball. He's reamed Detroit's best offensive players for shooting too much. Then there's the fact that Larry Brown doesn't believe that you should get minutes if you don't know how to play defense (another reason that Memo has gotten benched for the 2nd half even after scoring 15 in the first half). Then there's the fact that he doesn't believe in giving rookies anything. There's no way Melo would be allowed to take more shots than Chauncy, Rip, or Sheed. He also hates perimeter shots unless they are a last resort or unless they come after the ball has gone into the post and is kicked back out for an open look.

                  When you combine all those factors (and the fact that Larry Brown gives rookies less minutes and a shorter leash than any other coach in the league), it's hard to imagine Melo getting more than 8 shots a game if he was in Detroit. If you don't let him shoot all the time, he no longer is an asset since he doesn't bring too many other attributes to the court. If he's getting killed on defense, turning the ball over through their ball movement system, and he's not taking and making enough shots to make up for it -- I don't see how he'd be such an asset to put Detroit over the top this year.

                  That's the one nice thing about having Tayshaun Prince. I can't say he's a better player than Melo because he's not the type of guy you can run your offense through. What Tay does is he's a nice complimentary player on offense who can hit the open shot, occasionaly he'll give you a spark and abuse a mismatch, he'll move the ball well without turning it over -- but most importantly he's great for Detroit's defense because in Detroit's system where they trap and their big men guard the lane, his long arms help clog up passing lanes and make it tough for opposing shooters (who are afraid to drive to the hole) shoot.

                  That's how Basketball works. It's not like playing fantasy basketball or making trades in ESPN Basketball or NBA Live. It's about getting pieces that fit together, compliment each other, and fit the coach's system. Tay fits the system. On the other hand I can see Melo doing a lot of crying and being a distraction while not getting the shots that he's used to. I can see Melo complaining to the media that he shouldn't be coming off the bench (despite not playing any defense) - "for Tayshaun man?"

                  On the other hand, the reason that Detroit and other Eastern conference teams have problems against the West is because of their size in the paint. Detroit may get a lucky matchup this year and have a shot at winning it all but in the future, with Yao Ming rising to the top and the fact that Duncan will stay at the top, developing Darko may be their best shot at being constant contenders year after year regardless of matchups. Right now Darko is far away because despite having the body to play in the post, he's been a swing man or has played on the perimeter on offense most of his career.

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                  Wow... finally someone who understands.

                  OneBadMutha, I should save this message and send it off to anyone and everyone who brings up the "Pistons would be better if they drafted Melo instead" comment. Great post.

                  Kruza

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                  I agree, great post. I agree with everything you just said.

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                  Excellent post.. I agree with what you said..

                  Back on Melo, i think that you guys are expecting too much out of the guy. The guy is immature...yes. The guy can't play D..yes..Bad shot selection..yes. But there is no way that Denver would be in the playoff hunt without him there.

                  p.s. can we stop picking on the guy. I bet Wade, Bron, Bosh have alot of flaws in their game too but no one how come no one mentions them.

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                  • SiK_WiT_iT
                    Pro
                    • Oct 2003
                    • 741

                    #189
                    Re: Why is no one talking about Carmelo?

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                    ShaKobe said:
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                    Kruza said:
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                    OneBadMutha said:
                    Some people think that if Detroit had Melo they would be a "true" contender. The problem is that they, along with many clueless people in the media, think about building teams in the NBA like you would build up your Fantasy Basketball team. Melo is good for Denver because they were a team with no offensive leaders and needed a go-to guy. In Detroit his role would be completely different and his game wouldn't get the praise it does in Denver. I watched a few games of his (both against Detroit and a couple from the NBA package) and he's got a lot of issues with his game that no one talks about. He's a very good finisher but every other aspect of his game "screams" rookie and his game would hurt Detroit as much as help them right now.

                    In Denver where nobody plays defense, there's lots of fast break opportunities, and the coach runs the offense through him giving him 20 shots a night -- his pluses outweigh his negatives. Melo gives absolutly no energy on the defensive end. He saves all his energy for offense and often tries cherry picking for the fast break. On the defensive end of the court, there's not one player on Detroit that's worse than Melo -- not one -- not even the clueless (but learning) Darko. On offense, Melo still hasn't learned how to make good decisions. As long as he's allowed to jack it up a will, he's comfortable. When it comes to ball movement, getting teammates involved, and avoiding taking bad shots -- he's still a rookie. His turnover to assist ratio is the worst in the league for perimter players with his minutes.

                    Also people fail to consider Larry Brown. There's been games this year where he's benched Memo after Memo had 12 or 15 point quarters on good shooting percentages. To him, he doesn't care if you make the shot -- a bad shot is still a bad shot. He's also benched Memo (and other players) for taking too many shots and not sharing the ball. He's reamed Detroit's best offensive players for shooting too much. Then there's the fact that Larry Brown doesn't believe that you should get minutes if you don't know how to play defense (another reason that Memo has gotten benched for the 2nd half even after scoring 15 in the first half). Then there's the fact that he doesn't believe in giving rookies anything. There's no way Melo would be allowed to take more shots than Chauncy, Rip, or Sheed. He also hates perimeter shots unless they are a last resort or unless they come after the ball has gone into the post and is kicked back out for an open look.

                    When you combine all those factors (and the fact that Larry Brown gives rookies less minutes and a shorter leash than any other coach in the league), it's hard to imagine Melo getting more than 8 shots a game if he was in Detroit. If you don't let him shoot all the time, he no longer is an asset since he doesn't bring too many other attributes to the court. If he's getting killed on defense, turning the ball over through their ball movement system, and he's not taking and making enough shots to make up for it -- I don't see how he'd be such an asset to put Detroit over the top this year.

                    That's the one nice thing about having Tayshaun Prince. I can't say he's a better player than Melo because he's not the type of guy you can run your offense through. What Tay does is he's a nice complimentary player on offense who can hit the open shot, occasionaly he'll give you a spark and abuse a mismatch, he'll move the ball well without turning it over -- but most importantly he's great for Detroit's defense because in Detroit's system where they trap and their big men guard the lane, his long arms help clog up passing lanes and make it tough for opposing shooters (who are afraid to drive to the hole) shoot.

                    That's how Basketball works. It's not like playing fantasy basketball or making trades in ESPN Basketball or NBA Live. It's about getting pieces that fit together, compliment each other, and fit the coach's system. Tay fits the system. On the other hand I can see Melo doing a lot of crying and being a distraction while not getting the shots that he's used to. I can see Melo complaining to the media that he shouldn't be coming off the bench (despite not playing any defense) - "for Tayshaun man?"

                    On the other hand, the reason that Detroit and other Eastern conference teams have problems against the West is because of their size in the paint. Detroit may get a lucky matchup this year and have a shot at winning it all but in the future, with Yao Ming rising to the top and the fact that Duncan will stay at the top, developing Darko may be their best shot at being constant contenders year after year regardless of matchups. Right now Darko is far away because despite having the body to play in the post, he's been a swing man or has played on the perimeter on offense most of his career.

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                    Wow... finally someone who understands.

                    OneBadMutha, I should save this message and send it off to anyone and everyone who brings up the "Pistons would be better if they drafted Melo instead" comment. Great post.

                    Kruza

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                    I agree, great post. I agree with everything you just said.

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                    Excellent post.. I agree with what you said..

                    Back on Melo, i think that you guys are expecting too much out of the guy. The guy is immature...yes. The guy can't play D..yes..Bad shot selection..yes. But there is no way that Denver would be in the playoff hunt without him there.

                    p.s. can we stop picking on the guy. I bet Wade, Bron, Bosh have alot of flaws in their game too but no one how come no one mentions them.

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                    • SiK_WiT_iT
                      Pro
                      • Oct 2003
                      • 741

                      #190
                      Re: Why is no one talking about Carmelo?

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                      ShaKobe said:
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                      Kruza said:
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                      OneBadMutha said:
                      Some people think that if Detroit had Melo they would be a "true" contender. The problem is that they, along with many clueless people in the media, think about building teams in the NBA like you would build up your Fantasy Basketball team. Melo is good for Denver because they were a team with no offensive leaders and needed a go-to guy. In Detroit his role would be completely different and his game wouldn't get the praise it does in Denver. I watched a few games of his (both against Detroit and a couple from the NBA package) and he's got a lot of issues with his game that no one talks about. He's a very good finisher but every other aspect of his game "screams" rookie and his game would hurt Detroit as much as help them right now.

                      In Denver where nobody plays defense, there's lots of fast break opportunities, and the coach runs the offense through him giving him 20 shots a night -- his pluses outweigh his negatives. Melo gives absolutly no energy on the defensive end. He saves all his energy for offense and often tries cherry picking for the fast break. On the defensive end of the court, there's not one player on Detroit that's worse than Melo -- not one -- not even the clueless (but learning) Darko. On offense, Melo still hasn't learned how to make good decisions. As long as he's allowed to jack it up a will, he's comfortable. When it comes to ball movement, getting teammates involved, and avoiding taking bad shots -- he's still a rookie. His turnover to assist ratio is the worst in the league for perimter players with his minutes.

                      Also people fail to consider Larry Brown. There's been games this year where he's benched Memo after Memo had 12 or 15 point quarters on good shooting percentages. To him, he doesn't care if you make the shot -- a bad shot is still a bad shot. He's also benched Memo (and other players) for taking too many shots and not sharing the ball. He's reamed Detroit's best offensive players for shooting too much. Then there's the fact that Larry Brown doesn't believe that you should get minutes if you don't know how to play defense (another reason that Memo has gotten benched for the 2nd half even after scoring 15 in the first half). Then there's the fact that he doesn't believe in giving rookies anything. There's no way Melo would be allowed to take more shots than Chauncy, Rip, or Sheed. He also hates perimeter shots unless they are a last resort or unless they come after the ball has gone into the post and is kicked back out for an open look.

                      When you combine all those factors (and the fact that Larry Brown gives rookies less minutes and a shorter leash than any other coach in the league), it's hard to imagine Melo getting more than 8 shots a game if he was in Detroit. If you don't let him shoot all the time, he no longer is an asset since he doesn't bring too many other attributes to the court. If he's getting killed on defense, turning the ball over through their ball movement system, and he's not taking and making enough shots to make up for it -- I don't see how he'd be such an asset to put Detroit over the top this year.

                      That's the one nice thing about having Tayshaun Prince. I can't say he's a better player than Melo because he's not the type of guy you can run your offense through. What Tay does is he's a nice complimentary player on offense who can hit the open shot, occasionaly he'll give you a spark and abuse a mismatch, he'll move the ball well without turning it over -- but most importantly he's great for Detroit's defense because in Detroit's system where they trap and their big men guard the lane, his long arms help clog up passing lanes and make it tough for opposing shooters (who are afraid to drive to the hole) shoot.

                      That's how Basketball works. It's not like playing fantasy basketball or making trades in ESPN Basketball or NBA Live. It's about getting pieces that fit together, compliment each other, and fit the coach's system. Tay fits the system. On the other hand I can see Melo doing a lot of crying and being a distraction while not getting the shots that he's used to. I can see Melo complaining to the media that he shouldn't be coming off the bench (despite not playing any defense) - "for Tayshaun man?"

                      On the other hand, the reason that Detroit and other Eastern conference teams have problems against the West is because of their size in the paint. Detroit may get a lucky matchup this year and have a shot at winning it all but in the future, with Yao Ming rising to the top and the fact that Duncan will stay at the top, developing Darko may be their best shot at being constant contenders year after year regardless of matchups. Right now Darko is far away because despite having the body to play in the post, he's been a swing man or has played on the perimeter on offense most of his career.

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                      Wow... finally someone who understands.

                      OneBadMutha, I should save this message and send it off to anyone and everyone who brings up the "Pistons would be better if they drafted Melo instead" comment. Great post.

                      Kruza

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                      I agree, great post. I agree with everything you just said.

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                      Excellent post.. I agree with what you said..

                      Back on Melo, i think that you guys are expecting too much out of the guy. The guy is immature...yes. The guy can't play D..yes..Bad shot selection..yes. But there is no way that Denver would be in the playoff hunt without him there.

                      p.s. can we stop picking on the guy. I bet Wade, Bron, Bosh have alot of flaws in their game too but no one how come no one mentions them.

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                      • mgoblue
                        Go Wings!
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 25477

                        #191
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                        ShaKobe said:
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                        Kruza said:
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                        OneBadMutha said:
                        Some people think that if Detroit had Melo they would be a "true" contender. The problem is that they, along with many clueless people in the media, think about building teams in the NBA like you would build up your Fantasy Basketball team. Melo is good for Denver because they were a team with no offensive leaders and needed a go-to guy. In Detroit his role would be completely different and his game wouldn't get the praise it does in Denver. I watched a few games of his (both against Detroit and a couple from the NBA package) and he's got a lot of issues with his game that no one talks about. He's a very good finisher but every other aspect of his game "screams" rookie and his game would hurt Detroit as much as help them right now.

                        In Denver where nobody plays defense, there's lots of fast break opportunities, and the coach runs the offense through him giving him 20 shots a night -- his pluses outweigh his negatives. Melo gives absolutly no energy on the defensive end. He saves all his energy for offense and often tries cherry picking for the fast break. On the defensive end of the court, there's not one player on Detroit that's worse than Melo -- not one -- not even the clueless (but learning) Darko. On offense, Melo still hasn't learned how to make good decisions. As long as he's allowed to jack it up a will, he's comfortable. When it comes to ball movement, getting teammates involved, and avoiding taking bad shots -- he's still a rookie. His turnover to assist ratio is the worst in the league for perimter players with his minutes.

                        Also people fail to consider Larry Brown. There's been games this year where he's benched Memo after Memo had 12 or 15 point quarters on good shooting percentages. To him, he doesn't care if you make the shot -- a bad shot is still a bad shot. He's also benched Memo (and other players) for taking too many shots and not sharing the ball. He's reamed Detroit's best offensive players for shooting too much. Then there's the fact that Larry Brown doesn't believe that you should get minutes if you don't know how to play defense (another reason that Memo has gotten benched for the 2nd half even after scoring 15 in the first half). Then there's the fact that he doesn't believe in giving rookies anything. There's no way Melo would be allowed to take more shots than Chauncy, Rip, or Sheed. He also hates perimeter shots unless they are a last resort or unless they come after the ball has gone into the post and is kicked back out for an open look.

                        When you combine all those factors (and the fact that Larry Brown gives rookies less minutes and a shorter leash than any other coach in the league), it's hard to imagine Melo getting more than 8 shots a game if he was in Detroit. If you don't let him shoot all the time, he no longer is an asset since he doesn't bring too many other attributes to the court. If he's getting killed on defense, turning the ball over through their ball movement system, and he's not taking and making enough shots to make up for it -- I don't see how he'd be such an asset to put Detroit over the top this year.

                        That's the one nice thing about having Tayshaun Prince. I can't say he's a better player than Melo because he's not the type of guy you can run your offense through. What Tay does is he's a nice complimentary player on offense who can hit the open shot, occasionaly he'll give you a spark and abuse a mismatch, he'll move the ball well without turning it over -- but most importantly he's great for Detroit's defense because in Detroit's system where they trap and their big men guard the lane, his long arms help clog up passing lanes and make it tough for opposing shooters (who are afraid to drive to the hole) shoot.

                        That's how Basketball works. It's not like playing fantasy basketball or making trades in ESPN Basketball or NBA Live. It's about getting pieces that fit together, compliment each other, and fit the coach's system. Tay fits the system. On the other hand I can see Melo doing a lot of crying and being a distraction while not getting the shots that he's used to. I can see Melo complaining to the media that he shouldn't be coming off the bench (despite not playing any defense) - "for Tayshaun man?"

                        On the other hand, the reason that Detroit and other Eastern conference teams have problems against the West is because of their size in the paint. Detroit may get a lucky matchup this year and have a shot at winning it all but in the future, with Yao Ming rising to the top and the fact that Duncan will stay at the top, developing Darko may be their best shot at being constant contenders year after year regardless of matchups. Right now Darko is far away because despite having the body to play in the post, he's been a swing man or has played on the perimeter on offense most of his career.

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                        Wow... finally someone who understands.

                        OneBadMutha, I should save this message and send it off to anyone and everyone who brings up the "Pistons would be better if they drafted Melo instead" comment. Great post.

                        Kruza

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                        I agree, great post. I agree with everything you just said.

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                        Excellent post.. I agree with what you said..

                        Back on Melo, i think that you guys are expecting too much out of the guy. The guy is immature...yes. The guy can't play D..yes..Bad shot selection..yes. But there is no way that Denver would be in the playoff hunt without him there.

                        p.s. can we stop picking on the guy. I bet Wade, Bron, Bosh have alot of flaws in their game too but no one how come no one mentions them.

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                        I read One Bad Mutha's post again, and that still is one of the best posts I've read! Also, I'm not knocking Melo at all, it might seem like I am, but I actually am a fan of the kid. I just get tired of whenever people talk about Melo it always ends up with "Detroit would be better with Melo", something I don't agree with
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                        • mgoblue
                          Go Wings!
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 25477

                          #192
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                          OneBadMutha said:
                          Some people think that if Detroit had Melo they would be a "true" contender. The problem is that they, along with many clueless people in the media, think about building teams in the NBA like you would build up your Fantasy Basketball team. Melo is good for Denver because they were a team with no offensive leaders and needed a go-to guy. In Detroit his role would be completely different and his game wouldn't get the praise it does in Denver. I watched a few games of his (both against Detroit and a couple from the NBA package) and he's got a lot of issues with his game that no one talks about. He's a very good finisher but every other aspect of his game "screams" rookie and his game would hurt Detroit as much as help them right now.

                          In Denver where nobody plays defense, there's lots of fast break opportunities, and the coach runs the offense through him giving him 20 shots a night -- his pluses outweigh his negatives. Melo gives absolutly no energy on the defensive end. He saves all his energy for offense and often tries cherry picking for the fast break. On the defensive end of the court, there's not one player on Detroit that's worse than Melo -- not one -- not even the clueless (but learning) Darko. On offense, Melo still hasn't learned how to make good decisions. As long as he's allowed to jack it up a will, he's comfortable. When it comes to ball movement, getting teammates involved, and avoiding taking bad shots -- he's still a rookie. His turnover to assist ratio is the worst in the league for perimter players with his minutes.

                          Also people fail to consider Larry Brown. There's been games this year where he's benched Memo after Memo had 12 or 15 point quarters on good shooting percentages. To him, he doesn't care if you make the shot -- a bad shot is still a bad shot. He's also benched Memo (and other players) for taking too many shots and not sharing the ball. He's reamed Detroit's best offensive players for shooting too much. Then there's the fact that Larry Brown doesn't believe that you should get minutes if you don't know how to play defense (another reason that Memo has gotten benched for the 2nd half even after scoring 15 in the first half). Then there's the fact that he doesn't believe in giving rookies anything. There's no way Melo would be allowed to take more shots than Chauncy, Rip, or Sheed. He also hates perimeter shots unless they are a last resort or unless they come after the ball has gone into the post and is kicked back out for an open look.

                          When you combine all those factors (and the fact that Larry Brown gives rookies less minutes and a shorter leash than any other coach in the league), it's hard to imagine Melo getting more than 8 shots a game if he was in Detroit. If you don't let him shoot all the time, he no longer is an asset since he doesn't bring too many other attributes to the court. If he's getting killed on defense, turning the ball over through their ball movement system, and he's not taking and making enough shots to make up for it -- I don't see how he'd be such an asset to put Detroit over the top this year.

                          That's the one nice thing about having Tayshaun Prince. I can't say he's a better player than Melo because he's not the type of guy you can run your offense through. What Tay does is he's a nice complimentary player on offense who can hit the open shot, occasionaly he'll give you a spark and abuse a mismatch, he'll move the ball well without turning it over -- but most importantly he's great for Detroit's defense because in Detroit's system where they trap and their big men guard the lane, his long arms help clog up passing lanes and make it tough for opposing shooters (who are afraid to drive to the hole) shoot.

                          That's how Basketball works. It's not like playing fantasy basketball or making trades in ESPN Basketball or NBA Live. It's about getting pieces that fit together, compliment each other, and fit the coach's system. Tay fits the system. On the other hand I can see Melo doing a lot of crying and being a distraction while not getting the shots that he's used to. I can see Melo complaining to the media that he shouldn't be coming off the bench (despite not playing any defense) - "for Tayshaun man?"

                          On the other hand, the reason that Detroit and other Eastern conference teams have problems against the West is because of their size in the paint. Detroit may get a lucky matchup this year and have a shot at winning it all but in the future, with Yao Ming rising to the top and the fact that Duncan will stay at the top, developing Darko may be their best shot at being constant contenders year after year regardless of matchups. Right now Darko is far away because despite having the body to play in the post, he's been a swing man or has played on the perimeter on offense most of his career.

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                          Wow... finally someone who understands.

                          OneBadMutha, I should save this message and send it off to anyone and everyone who brings up the "Pistons would be better if they drafted Melo instead" comment. Great post.

                          Kruza

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                          I agree, great post. I agree with everything you just said.

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                          Excellent post.. I agree with what you said..

                          Back on Melo, i think that you guys are expecting too much out of the guy. The guy is immature...yes. The guy can't play D..yes..Bad shot selection..yes. But there is no way that Denver would be in the playoff hunt without him there.

                          p.s. can we stop picking on the guy. I bet Wade, Bron, Bosh have alot of flaws in their game too but no one how come no one mentions them.

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                          I read One Bad Mutha's post again, and that still is one of the best posts I've read! Also, I'm not knocking Melo at all, it might seem like I am, but I actually am a fan of the kid. I just get tired of whenever people talk about Melo it always ends up with "Detroit would be better with Melo", something I don't agree with
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                          • mgoblue
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                            • Jul 2002
                            • 25477

                            #193
                            Re: Why is no one talking about Carmelo?

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                            OneBadMutha said:
                            Some people think that if Detroit had Melo they would be a "true" contender. The problem is that they, along with many clueless people in the media, think about building teams in the NBA like you would build up your Fantasy Basketball team. Melo is good for Denver because they were a team with no offensive leaders and needed a go-to guy. In Detroit his role would be completely different and his game wouldn't get the praise it does in Denver. I watched a few games of his (both against Detroit and a couple from the NBA package) and he's got a lot of issues with his game that no one talks about. He's a very good finisher but every other aspect of his game "screams" rookie and his game would hurt Detroit as much as help them right now.

                            In Denver where nobody plays defense, there's lots of fast break opportunities, and the coach runs the offense through him giving him 20 shots a night -- his pluses outweigh his negatives. Melo gives absolutly no energy on the defensive end. He saves all his energy for offense and often tries cherry picking for the fast break. On the defensive end of the court, there's not one player on Detroit that's worse than Melo -- not one -- not even the clueless (but learning) Darko. On offense, Melo still hasn't learned how to make good decisions. As long as he's allowed to jack it up a will, he's comfortable. When it comes to ball movement, getting teammates involved, and avoiding taking bad shots -- he's still a rookie. His turnover to assist ratio is the worst in the league for perimter players with his minutes.

                            Also people fail to consider Larry Brown. There's been games this year where he's benched Memo after Memo had 12 or 15 point quarters on good shooting percentages. To him, he doesn't care if you make the shot -- a bad shot is still a bad shot. He's also benched Memo (and other players) for taking too many shots and not sharing the ball. He's reamed Detroit's best offensive players for shooting too much. Then there's the fact that Larry Brown doesn't believe that you should get minutes if you don't know how to play defense (another reason that Memo has gotten benched for the 2nd half even after scoring 15 in the first half). Then there's the fact that he doesn't believe in giving rookies anything. There's no way Melo would be allowed to take more shots than Chauncy, Rip, or Sheed. He also hates perimeter shots unless they are a last resort or unless they come after the ball has gone into the post and is kicked back out for an open look.

                            When you combine all those factors (and the fact that Larry Brown gives rookies less minutes and a shorter leash than any other coach in the league), it's hard to imagine Melo getting more than 8 shots a game if he was in Detroit. If you don't let him shoot all the time, he no longer is an asset since he doesn't bring too many other attributes to the court. If he's getting killed on defense, turning the ball over through their ball movement system, and he's not taking and making enough shots to make up for it -- I don't see how he'd be such an asset to put Detroit over the top this year.

                            That's the one nice thing about having Tayshaun Prince. I can't say he's a better player than Melo because he's not the type of guy you can run your offense through. What Tay does is he's a nice complimentary player on offense who can hit the open shot, occasionaly he'll give you a spark and abuse a mismatch, he'll move the ball well without turning it over -- but most importantly he's great for Detroit's defense because in Detroit's system where they trap and their big men guard the lane, his long arms help clog up passing lanes and make it tough for opposing shooters (who are afraid to drive to the hole) shoot.

                            That's how Basketball works. It's not like playing fantasy basketball or making trades in ESPN Basketball or NBA Live. It's about getting pieces that fit together, compliment each other, and fit the coach's system. Tay fits the system. On the other hand I can see Melo doing a lot of crying and being a distraction while not getting the shots that he's used to. I can see Melo complaining to the media that he shouldn't be coming off the bench (despite not playing any defense) - "for Tayshaun man?"

                            On the other hand, the reason that Detroit and other Eastern conference teams have problems against the West is because of their size in the paint. Detroit may get a lucky matchup this year and have a shot at winning it all but in the future, with Yao Ming rising to the top and the fact that Duncan will stay at the top, developing Darko may be their best shot at being constant contenders year after year regardless of matchups. Right now Darko is far away because despite having the body to play in the post, he's been a swing man or has played on the perimeter on offense most of his career.

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                            Wow... finally someone who understands.

                            OneBadMutha, I should save this message and send it off to anyone and everyone who brings up the "Pistons would be better if they drafted Melo instead" comment. Great post.

                            Kruza

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                            I agree, great post. I agree with everything you just said.

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                            Excellent post.. I agree with what you said..

                            Back on Melo, i think that you guys are expecting too much out of the guy. The guy is immature...yes. The guy can't play D..yes..Bad shot selection..yes. But there is no way that Denver would be in the playoff hunt without him there.

                            p.s. can we stop picking on the guy. I bet Wade, Bron, Bosh have alot of flaws in their game too but no one how come no one mentions them.

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                            I read One Bad Mutha's post again, and that still is one of the best posts I've read! Also, I'm not knocking Melo at all, it might seem like I am, but I actually am a fan of the kid. I just get tired of whenever people talk about Melo it always ends up with "Detroit would be better with Melo", something I don't agree with
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                            • OneBadMutha
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                              • Sep 2003
                              • 632

                              #194
                              Re: Why is no one talking about Carmelo?

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                              OneBadMutha said:
                              I watched a few games of his (both against Detroit and a couple from the NBA package) and he's got a lot of issues with his game that no one talks about. He's a very good finisher but every other aspect of his game "screams" rookie

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                              Hellooooooooooooo.

                              Since when did he become a 10-year vet?

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                              I never said he had to be a 10 year vet or that he was a bad player overall. What you do have to realize is that those other aspects of his game would get him in trouble in Detroit. The fact that he suffers in other areas of his game is why Larry Brown likely wouldn't start him in Detroit. The fact that other areas of his game suffer are the reasons Detroit is better off with Tay starting right now. Maybe in two or three years from now, he's a complete player. By then though, Detroit believes they'll have a complete player at center. My point is that Melo's game doesn't put the Pistons over the top this year. Detroit can win it all if they can beat Indiana and the teams out West in the paint -- not if their small forward is capable of jacking up more shots.

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                              • OneBadMutha
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                                • Sep 2003
                                • 632

                                #195
                                Re: Why is no one talking about Carmelo?

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                                OneBadMutha said:
                                I watched a few games of his (both against Detroit and a couple from the NBA package) and he's got a lot of issues with his game that no one talks about. He's a very good finisher but every other aspect of his game "screams" rookie

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                                Hellooooooooooooo.

                                Since when did he become a 10-year vet?

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                                I never said he had to be a 10 year vet or that he was a bad player overall. What you do have to realize is that those other aspects of his game would get him in trouble in Detroit. The fact that he suffers in other areas of his game is why Larry Brown likely wouldn't start him in Detroit. The fact that other areas of his game suffer are the reasons Detroit is better off with Tay starting right now. Maybe in two or three years from now, he's a complete player. By then though, Detroit believes they'll have a complete player at center. My point is that Melo's game doesn't put the Pistons over the top this year. Detroit can win it all if they can beat Indiana and the teams out West in the paint -- not if their small forward is capable of jacking up more shots.

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