Re: Why is no one talking about Carmelo?
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BigMike said:
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Programmed2Kill said:
And I'm also sick of seeing people act like the Pistons and their fans are hurting because they don't have Lil' Big Dog instead of Darko.
Doesn't look to me that the Pistons are hurting from it. Stop the madness, please.
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Noone (at least not me) said that pistons were hurting for not having melo instead of darko. I did however say that fans might be disappointed in the pistons picking darko over melo. I think its common knowledge as far as this season goes, that the pistons would be a better team offensively if they had drafted melo.
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Some people think that if Detroit had Melo they would be a "true" contender. The problem is that they, along with many clueless people in the media, think about building teams in the NBA like you would build up your Fantasy Basketball team. Melo is good for Denver because they were a team with no offensive leaders and needed a go-to guy. In Detroit his role would be completely different and his game wouldn't get the praise it does in Denver. I watched a few games of his (both against Detroit and a couple from the NBA package) and he's got a lot of issues with his game that no one talks about. He's a very good finisher but every other aspect of his game "screams" rookie and his game would hurt Detroit as much as help them right now.
In Denver where nobody plays defense, there's lots of fast break opportunities, and the coach runs the offense through him giving him 20 shots a night -- his pluses outweigh his negatives. Melo gives absolutly no energy on the defensive end. He saves all his energy for offense and often tries cherry picking for the fast break. On the defensive end of the court, there's not one player on Detroit that's worse than Melo -- not one -- not even the clueless (but learning) Darko. On offense, Melo still hasn't learned how to make good decisions. As long as he's allowed to jack it up a will, he's comfortable. When it comes to ball movement, getting teammates involved, and avoiding taking bad shots -- he's still a rookie. His turnover to assist ratio is the worst in the league for perimter players with his minutes.
Also people fail to consider Larry Brown. There's been games this year where he's benched Memo after Memo had 12 or 15 point quarters on good shooting percentages. To him, he doesn't care if you make the shot -- a bad shot is still a bad shot. He's also benched Memo (and other players) for taking too many shots and not sharing the ball. He's reamed Detroit's best offensive players for shooting too much. Then there's the fact that Larry Brown doesn't believe that you should get minutes if you don't know how to play defense (another reason that Memo has gotten benched for the 2nd half even after scoring 15 in the first half). Then there's the fact that he doesn't believe in giving rookies anything. There's no way Melo would be allowed to take more shots than Chauncy, Rip, or Sheed. He also hates perimeter shots unless they are a last resort or unless they come after the ball has gone into the post and is kicked back out for an open look.
When you combine all those factors (and the fact that Larry Brown gives rookies less minutes and a shorter leash than any other coach in the league), it's hard to imagine Melo getting more than 8 shots a game if he was in Detroit. If you don't let him shoot all the time, he no longer is an asset since he doesn't bring too many other attributes to the court. If he's getting killed on defense, turning the ball over through their ball movement system, and he's not taking and making enough shots to make up for it -- I don't see how he'd be such an asset to put Detroit over the top this year.
That's the one nice thing about having Tayshaun Prince. I can't say he's a better player than Melo because he's not the type of guy you can run your offense through. What Tay does is he's a nice complimentary player on offense who can hit the open shot, occasionaly he'll give you a spark and abuse a mismatch, he'll move the ball well without turning it over -- but most importantly he's great for Detroit's defense because in Detroit's system where they trap and their big men guard the lane, his long arms help clog up passing lanes and make it tough for opposing shooters (who are afraid to drive to the hole) shoot.
That's how Basketball works. It's not like playing fantasy basketball or making trades in ESPN Basketball or NBA Live. It's about getting pieces that fit together, compliment each other, and fit the coach's system. Tay fits the system. On the other hand I can see Melo doing a lot of crying and being a distraction while not getting the shots that he's used to. I can see Melo complaining to the media that he shouldn't be coming off the bench (despite not playing any defense) - "for Tayshaun man?"
On the other hand, the reason that Detroit and other Eastern conference teams have problems against the West is because of their size in the paint. Detroit may get a lucky matchup this year and have a shot at winning it all but in the future, with Yao Ming rising to the top and the fact that Duncan will stay at the top, developing Darko may be their best shot at being constant contenders year after year regardless of matchups. Right now Darko is far away because despite having the body to play in the post, he's been a swing man or has played on the perimeter on offense most of his career.
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BigMike said:
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Programmed2Kill said:
And I'm also sick of seeing people act like the Pistons and their fans are hurting because they don't have Lil' Big Dog instead of Darko.
Doesn't look to me that the Pistons are hurting from it. Stop the madness, please.
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Noone (at least not me) said that pistons were hurting for not having melo instead of darko. I did however say that fans might be disappointed in the pistons picking darko over melo. I think its common knowledge as far as this season goes, that the pistons would be a better team offensively if they had drafted melo.
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Some people think that if Detroit had Melo they would be a "true" contender. The problem is that they, along with many clueless people in the media, think about building teams in the NBA like you would build up your Fantasy Basketball team. Melo is good for Denver because they were a team with no offensive leaders and needed a go-to guy. In Detroit his role would be completely different and his game wouldn't get the praise it does in Denver. I watched a few games of his (both against Detroit and a couple from the NBA package) and he's got a lot of issues with his game that no one talks about. He's a very good finisher but every other aspect of his game "screams" rookie and his game would hurt Detroit as much as help them right now.
In Denver where nobody plays defense, there's lots of fast break opportunities, and the coach runs the offense through him giving him 20 shots a night -- his pluses outweigh his negatives. Melo gives absolutly no energy on the defensive end. He saves all his energy for offense and often tries cherry picking for the fast break. On the defensive end of the court, there's not one player on Detroit that's worse than Melo -- not one -- not even the clueless (but learning) Darko. On offense, Melo still hasn't learned how to make good decisions. As long as he's allowed to jack it up a will, he's comfortable. When it comes to ball movement, getting teammates involved, and avoiding taking bad shots -- he's still a rookie. His turnover to assist ratio is the worst in the league for perimter players with his minutes.
Also people fail to consider Larry Brown. There's been games this year where he's benched Memo after Memo had 12 or 15 point quarters on good shooting percentages. To him, he doesn't care if you make the shot -- a bad shot is still a bad shot. He's also benched Memo (and other players) for taking too many shots and not sharing the ball. He's reamed Detroit's best offensive players for shooting too much. Then there's the fact that Larry Brown doesn't believe that you should get minutes if you don't know how to play defense (another reason that Memo has gotten benched for the 2nd half even after scoring 15 in the first half). Then there's the fact that he doesn't believe in giving rookies anything. There's no way Melo would be allowed to take more shots than Chauncy, Rip, or Sheed. He also hates perimeter shots unless they are a last resort or unless they come after the ball has gone into the post and is kicked back out for an open look.
When you combine all those factors (and the fact that Larry Brown gives rookies less minutes and a shorter leash than any other coach in the league), it's hard to imagine Melo getting more than 8 shots a game if he was in Detroit. If you don't let him shoot all the time, he no longer is an asset since he doesn't bring too many other attributes to the court. If he's getting killed on defense, turning the ball over through their ball movement system, and he's not taking and making enough shots to make up for it -- I don't see how he'd be such an asset to put Detroit over the top this year.
That's the one nice thing about having Tayshaun Prince. I can't say he's a better player than Melo because he's not the type of guy you can run your offense through. What Tay does is he's a nice complimentary player on offense who can hit the open shot, occasionaly he'll give you a spark and abuse a mismatch, he'll move the ball well without turning it over -- but most importantly he's great for Detroit's defense because in Detroit's system where they trap and their big men guard the lane, his long arms help clog up passing lanes and make it tough for opposing shooters (who are afraid to drive to the hole) shoot.
That's how Basketball works. It's not like playing fantasy basketball or making trades in ESPN Basketball or NBA Live. It's about getting pieces that fit together, compliment each other, and fit the coach's system. Tay fits the system. On the other hand I can see Melo doing a lot of crying and being a distraction while not getting the shots that he's used to. I can see Melo complaining to the media that he shouldn't be coming off the bench (despite not playing any defense) - "for Tayshaun man?"
On the other hand, the reason that Detroit and other Eastern conference teams have problems against the West is because of their size in the paint. Detroit may get a lucky matchup this year and have a shot at winning it all but in the future, with Yao Ming rising to the top and the fact that Duncan will stay at the top, developing Darko may be their best shot at being constant contenders year after year regardless of matchups. Right now Darko is far away because despite having the body to play in the post, he's been a swing man or has played on the perimeter on offense most of his career.
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