Bron Bron is the ROY

**jordan0386** · 04-18-2004, 10:47 PM

Re: LBJ is ROY

lets be real here...niether plays great man to man d

bron just plays the passing lanes better...hence...him always being a top ten nominee...with those windmills

**CHWildcats** · 04-18-2004, 10:47 PM

Re: LBJ is ROY

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dieselboy said:
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CHWildcats said:
then james had better defensive stats as well 1.65 spg and .73 bpg vs 1.18 and .5 which could have also been the difference in voting.

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Neither of those stats show how good a player is at shutting his man down.

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with that said how many shut-down defenders are there in the league

**CHWildcats** · 04-18-2004, 10:47 PM

Re: LBJ is ROY

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dieselboy said:
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CHWildcats said:
then james had better defensive stats as well 1.65 spg and .73 bpg vs 1.18 and .5 which could have also been the difference in voting.

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Neither of those stats show how good a player is at shutting his man down.

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with that said how many shut-down defenders are there in the league

**CHWildcats** · 04-18-2004, 10:47 PM

Re: LBJ is ROY

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dieselboy said:
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CHWildcats said:
then james had better defensive stats as well 1.65 spg and .73 bpg vs 1.18 and .5 which could have also been the difference in voting.

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Neither of those stats show how good a player is at shutting his man down.

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with that said how many shut-down defenders are there in the league

**HMcCoy** · 04-19-2004, 01:11 AM

Re: LBJ is ROY

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dieselboy said:
A legit reason for 'Melo? How about he did everything his team asked him. You argue that LeBron assisted more, sometimes innitiated the offense, etc. 'Melo wasn't asked to do that. He scored his 21 points a game, grabbed his six rebounds, and guarded the SF of the opposing team.

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Thats true Diesel, but Bron did much more. Period. The fact that Carmelo wasn't asked to do some of those things makes an even stronger case for LeBron. At 6'8", 250 you could have EASILY tossed LeBron out to the SF position and let him just score, grab boards and operate closer to the basket. He's better than that. And If i'm not mistaken, when Anthony was asked to involve his teammates more, he threw a hissy fit.

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You argue that James doesn't have much help on the offensive end. Who does Anthony have? I'd take Ilguaskas, Boozer, and for some of the season Davis, over Miller, Lenard, and Hilario.

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Ilgauskas did very little for the first half of the season. He was going to be traded, but the owner Gordon Gund likes Z and respects the guy alot for coming back from so many bad foot injuries. McInnis helped turn Z around. Booze was super-solid, but didn't become a scoring THREAT until the OT win in UTAH where he scored 32 and followed it up with another 32 the next night. That was his "breakout", halfway through the season. Davis was a poor shot-selecting, malcontent that seemed to care more about highlights than wins. Fans can tesify that Davis lost more games for the Cavs than he won. Anyway, like I said before having shooters helps inside players immensly. Nuggets have shooters Cavs do not.

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You also make the argument that LeBron had all these responsibilities as a PG. Before the Jeff McInnis trade, Kevin Ollie shared the point duties, playing around 25 minutes a game at the point.

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Ollie averaged 17 minutes a game, and McInnis only played in 30 or so games. The other 50 was James at the point.

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With all this said, if I had a vote in ROY, mine would go to Lebron.

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Thats also a problem. With all I've said, I would still rather have seen a split. Unfortunately, the writers couldn't vote for CO ROY, Melo would have to have as many votes as Bron for a split, and not many people voted Melo OVER Bron. Thats really a shame.

**HMcCoy** · 04-19-2004, 01:11 AM

Re: LBJ is ROY

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dieselboy said:
A legit reason for 'Melo? How about he did everything his team asked him. You argue that LeBron assisted more, sometimes innitiated the offense, etc. 'Melo wasn't asked to do that. He scored his 21 points a game, grabbed his six rebounds, and guarded the SF of the opposing team.

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Thats true Diesel, but Bron did much more. Period. The fact that Carmelo wasn't asked to do some of those things makes an even stronger case for LeBron. At 6'8", 250 you could have EASILY tossed LeBron out to the SF position and let him just score, grab boards and operate closer to the basket. He's better than that. And If i'm not mistaken, when Anthony was asked to involve his teammates more, he threw a hissy fit.

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You argue that James doesn't have much help on the offensive end. Who does Anthony have? I'd take Ilguaskas, Boozer, and for some of the season Davis, over Miller, Lenard, and Hilario.

<hr /></blockquote>

Ilgauskas did very little for the first half of the season. He was going to be traded, but the owner Gordon Gund likes Z and respects the guy alot for coming back from so many bad foot injuries. McInnis helped turn Z around. Booze was super-solid, but didn't become a scoring THREAT until the OT win in UTAH where he scored 32 and followed it up with another 32 the next night. That was his "breakout", halfway through the season. Davis was a poor shot-selecting, malcontent that seemed to care more about highlights than wins. Fans can tesify that Davis lost more games for the Cavs than he won. Anyway, like I said before having shooters helps inside players immensly. Nuggets have shooters Cavs do not.

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You also make the argument that LeBron had all these responsibilities as a PG. Before the Jeff McInnis trade, Kevin Ollie shared the point duties, playing around 25 minutes a game at the point.

<hr /></blockquote>

Ollie averaged 17 minutes a game, and McInnis only played in 30 or so games. The other 50 was James at the point.

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With all this said, if I had a vote in ROY, mine would go to Lebron.

<hr /></blockquote>

Thats also a problem. With all I've said, I would still rather have seen a split. Unfortunately, the writers couldn't vote for CO ROY, Melo would have to have as many votes as Bron for a split, and not many people voted Melo OVER Bron. Thats really a shame.

**HMcCoy** · 04-19-2004, 01:11 AM

Re: LBJ is ROY

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dieselboy said:
A legit reason for 'Melo? How about he did everything his team asked him. You argue that LeBron assisted more, sometimes innitiated the offense, etc. 'Melo wasn't asked to do that. He scored his 21 points a game, grabbed his six rebounds, and guarded the SF of the opposing team.

<hr /></blockquote>

Thats true Diesel, but Bron did much more. Period. The fact that Carmelo wasn't asked to do some of those things makes an even stronger case for LeBron. At 6'8", 250 you could have EASILY tossed LeBron out to the SF position and let him just score, grab boards and operate closer to the basket. He's better than that. And If i'm not mistaken, when Anthony was asked to involve his teammates more, he threw a hissy fit.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
You argue that James doesn't have much help on the offensive end. Who does Anthony have? I'd take Ilguaskas, Boozer, and for some of the season Davis, over Miller, Lenard, and Hilario.

<hr /></blockquote>

Ilgauskas did very little for the first half of the season. He was going to be traded, but the owner Gordon Gund likes Z and respects the guy alot for coming back from so many bad foot injuries. McInnis helped turn Z around. Booze was super-solid, but didn't become a scoring THREAT until the OT win in UTAH where he scored 32 and followed it up with another 32 the next night. That was his "breakout", halfway through the season. Davis was a poor shot-selecting, malcontent that seemed to care more about highlights than wins. Fans can tesify that Davis lost more games for the Cavs than he won. Anyway, like I said before having shooters helps inside players immensly. Nuggets have shooters Cavs do not.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
You also make the argument that LeBron had all these responsibilities as a PG. Before the Jeff McInnis trade, Kevin Ollie shared the point duties, playing around 25 minutes a game at the point.

<hr /></blockquote>

Ollie averaged 17 minutes a game, and McInnis only played in 30 or so games. The other 50 was James at the point.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
With all this said, if I had a vote in ROY, mine would go to Lebron.

<hr /></blockquote>

Thats also a problem. With all I've said, I would still rather have seen a split. Unfortunately, the writers couldn't vote for CO ROY, Melo would have to have as many votes as Bron for a split, and not many people voted Melo OVER Bron. Thats really a shame.

**dieselboy** · 04-19-2004, 03:37 AM

Re: LBJ is ROY

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HMcCoy said:
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You also make the argument that LeBron had all these responsibilities as a PG. Before the Jeff McInnis trade, Kevin Ollie shared the point duties, playing around 25 minutes a game at the point.

<hr /></blockquote>

Ollie averaged 17 minutes a game, and McInnis only played in 30 or so games. The other 50 was James at the point.

<hr /></blockquote>

Ollie averaged 17 minutes on the season. I was saying before they brought in McInnis, Ollie was averaging about 25 minutes a game, because he was splitting the point duties. And Ollie did start like, what, 5-10 games?

**dieselboy** · 04-19-2004, 03:37 AM

Re: LBJ is ROY

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HMcCoy said:
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You also make the argument that LeBron had all these responsibilities as a PG. Before the Jeff McInnis trade, Kevin Ollie shared the point duties, playing around 25 minutes a game at the point.

<hr /></blockquote>

Ollie averaged 17 minutes a game, and McInnis only played in 30 or so games. The other 50 was James at the point.

<hr /></blockquote>

Ollie averaged 17 minutes on the season. I was saying before they brought in McInnis, Ollie was averaging about 25 minutes a game, because he was splitting the point duties. And Ollie did start like, what, 5-10 games?

**dieselboy** · 04-19-2004, 03:37 AM

Re: LBJ is ROY

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HMcCoy said:
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You also make the argument that LeBron had all these responsibilities as a PG. Before the Jeff McInnis trade, Kevin Ollie shared the point duties, playing around 25 minutes a game at the point.

<hr /></blockquote>

Ollie averaged 17 minutes a game, and McInnis only played in 30 or so games. The other 50 was James at the point.

<hr /></blockquote>

Ollie averaged 17 minutes on the season. I was saying before they brought in McInnis, Ollie was averaging about 25 minutes a game, because he was splitting the point duties. And Ollie did start like, what, 5-10 games?

**Programmed2Kill** · 04-19-2004, 05:57 AM

Re: LBJ is ROY

Kevin Ollie sucks. He was on the Sixers team that went to the Finals. He's not even an average player.

**Programmed2Kill** · 04-19-2004, 05:57 AM

Re: LBJ is ROY

Kevin Ollie sucks. He was on the Sixers team that went to the Finals. He's not even an average player.

**Programmed2Kill** · 04-19-2004, 05:57 AM

Re: LBJ is ROY

Kevin Ollie sucks. He was on the Sixers team that went to the Finals. He's not even an average player.

**Sully** · 04-19-2004, 06:30 AM

Re: LBJ is ROY

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Programmed2Kill said:
Kevin Ollie sucks. He was on the Sixers team that went to the Finals. He's not even an average player.

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Above average defender, not great...just above average. That's it.

**Sully** · 04-19-2004, 06:30 AM

Re: LBJ is ROY

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Programmed2Kill said:
Kevin Ollie sucks. He was on the Sixers team that went to the Finals. He's not even an average player.

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Above average defender, not great...just above average. That's it.

Bron Bron is the ROY

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