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  • ProfessaPackMan
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    • Mar 2008
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    #31
    Re: 3/25 - 3/31 Games Discussion Thread

    I'm assuming those rankings are based strictly on this year's performance only and not overall rankings that are taking past seasons into consideration. Because if it's just this year, I'd shuffle around some of those names on there(Westbrook, Irving and Rondo wouldn't and shouldn't be in the Top 10). Top spot for me would come down to Wall, Curry and Paul. Dragic and Lowry would move up as well.
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    • BleacherBum2310
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      • Aug 2010
      • 7107

      #32
      Re: 3/25 - 3/31 Games Discussion Thread

      I get the Harden Point, I just don't see it with Durant. He doesn't flop any more than Lebron or Paul imo. "primarily a jump shooter" I would love to see data on this because I think people would be surprised where most of His FT's attempts in what area they occur.
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      • SteelersFreak
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        • May 2004
        • 9582

        #33
        Re: 3/25 - 3/31 Games Discussion Thread

        Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
        I'm assuming those rankings are based strictly on this year's performance only and not overall rankings that are taking past seasons into consideration. Because if it's just this year, I'd shuffle around some of those names on there(Westbrook, Irving and Rondo wouldn't and shouldn't be in the Top 10). Top spot for me would come down to Wall, Curry and Paul. Dragic and Lowry would move up as well.
        I'm taking a lot of things in consideration there. It's not literally who is playing the best right this second, its mostly based on this season but its partly based on how impactful they are to their teams, which is why Westbrook is still so high even though he still isn't back to himself. It's hard for me to take Rondo out of the top 10, even though he's hardly been playing, same kind of thing with Irving.
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        • King_B_Mack
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          • Jan 2009
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          #34
          Re: 3/25 - 3/31 Games Discussion Thread

          Originally posted by SteelersFreak
          I'm taking a lot of things in consideration there. It's not literally who is playing the best right this second, its mostly based on this season but its partly based on how impactful they are to their teams, which is why Westbrook is still so high even though he still isn't back to himself. It's hard for me to take Rondo out of the top 10, even though he's hardly been playing, same kind of thing with Irving.
          If that's the case then I don't see how Deron has fallen out of the top ten since we see the difference in a healthy Deron and the Nets and an unhealthy one.

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          • SteelersFreak
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            • May 2004
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            #35
            Re: 3/25 - 3/31 Games Discussion Thread

            Originally posted by King_B_Mack
            If that's the case then I don't see how Deron has fallen out of the top ten since we see the difference in a healthy Deron and the Nets and an unhealthy one.
            I think the way guys like Dragic and Lowry have played this season put him over D-Will for now. I leaned on this season more heavily than previous seasons. Now if D-Will takes the Nets deep into the playoffs then he'll move back up, but for now I'm not sure.

            Either way, there are a lot of really great point guards, and him being as low as he is on my list is more of a testament to how good the point guards in the NBA are right now as opposed to problems with him.
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            • BringTheHeat
              MVP
              • Jan 2012
              • 2264

              #36
              Re: 3/25 - 3/31 Games Discussion Thread

              Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
              He gets the superstar treatment from the Refs quite often...but you're making it sound like he can't get 25 points easy with the Ref's help though lol
              Didn't mean for it to sound like that lol. He's a scoring machine for sure, but I don't think his streak would be intact without all these calls. Same with Harden averaging his ridiculous numbers. Like someone said before, it's frustrating that they get all these calls when they're primarily jumpshooters.
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              • BringTheHeat
                MVP
                • Jan 2012
                • 2264

                #37
                Re: 3/25 - 3/31 Games Discussion Thread



                We ready.

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                • ojandpizza
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Apr 2011
                  • 29807

                  #38
                  Re: 3/25 - 3/31 Games Discussion Thread

                  It depends what you want from a point guard honestly. If you want a guy to do traditionally what a point guard is supposed to do, just run the team and the offense, take care of the basketball, etc.. Calderon is up there, along with guys like Parker, Conley, past years Rondo.. But he doesn't have the scoring capability of a large chunk of that list, he would have to fall back towards that 18-20 spot if you wanted a scoring guard, and even then if scoring is what you're looking for Jennings, Hill, Knight, etc could all make cases of giving you value Calderon offers. If your team is loaded and you need a guard who can spot up and hit outside shots he'd be among the best in the league, if you needed defense he'd be in the bottom half.... It really depends what you're looking for.

                  As for the top lists, if we are basing it off this year alone I really feel Ty Lawson should be up around that number 6 spot. Stats wise he's up there with the top guys, and his team was completely night and day difference without him this year when he was injured.

                  Also I feel at this point if we are basing it off primarily this season Parker should be number 1. Missed some time with injuries but he's the leader of the best and hottest team in the league right now approaching the playoffs.

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                  • BringTheHeat
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                    • Jan 2012
                    • 2264

                    #39
                    Re: 3/25 - 3/31 Games Discussion Thread

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                    • SteelersFreak
                      All Star
                      • May 2004
                      • 9582

                      #40
                      Re: 3/25 - 3/31 Games Discussion Thread

                      Originally posted by ojandpizza
                      It depends what you want from a point guard honestly. If you want a guy to do traditionally what a point guard is supposed to do, just run the team and the offense, take care of the basketball, etc.. Calderon is up there, along with guys like Parker, Conley, past years Rondo.. But he doesn't have the scoring capability of a large chunk of that list, he would have to fall back towards that 18-20 spot if you wanted a scoring guard, and even then if scoring is what you're looking for Jennings, Hill, Knight, etc could all make cases of giving you value Calderon offers. If your team is loaded and you need a guard who can spot up and hit outside shots he'd be among the best in the league, if you needed defense he'd be in the bottom half.... It really depends what you're looking for.

                      As for the top lists, if we are basing it off this year alone I really feel Ty Lawson should be up around that number 6 spot. Stats wise he's up there with the top guys, and his team was completely night and day difference without him this year when he was injured.

                      Also I feel at this point if we are basing it off primarily this season Parker should be number 1. Missed some time with injuries but he's the leader of the best and hottest team in the league right now approaching the playoffs.
                      Calderon is probably the best "floor general" point guard in the league in the sense that he doesn't really do anything else offensively besides run the offense, set up other guys and take spot up three's. You're right, Calderon is pretty limited offensively, he's not very big, he's an average finisher at the rim at best, he has poor speed and trouble getting around people. However the man simply doesn't turn the ball over. His assist/turnover ratio year after year is one of the best in the league and he's consistently one of the best three point shooters in addition to being one of the best free throw shooters in the league. He's also a skilled passer, not particularly flashy but he almost always makes the right play and he usually wraps up a lot of assists.

                      He's probably near the bottom of the league in starting point guards in pure scoring ability but his other offensive capabilities bring him back up I think.
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                      • Sportsbuck
                        The Predator
                        • Jul 2006
                        • 4326

                        #41
                        Re: 3/25 - 3/31 Games Discussion Thread

                        Portland is 3 games away from being a lottery team. Give us that draft pick

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                        • ex carrabba fan
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                          • Oct 2004
                          • 32744

                          #42
                          Re: 3/25 - 3/31 Games Discussion Thread

                          Portland about to mess around and miss out on the playoffs

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                          • King_B_Mack
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                            • Jan 2009
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                            #43
                            Re: 3/25 - 3/31 Games Discussion Thread

                            Originally posted by SteelersFreak
                            Calderon is probably the best "floor general" point guard in the league in the sense that he doesn't really do anything else offensively besides run the offense, set up other guys and take spot up three's. You're right, Calderon is pretty limited offensively, he's not very big, he's an average finisher at the rim at best, he has poor speed and trouble getting around people. However the man simply doesn't turn the ball over. His assist/turnover ratio year after year is one of the best in the league and he's consistently one of the best three point shooters in addition to being one of the best free throw shooters in the league. He's also a skilled passer, not particularly flashy but he almost always makes the right play and he usually wraps up a lot of assists.

                            He's probably near the bottom of the league in starting point guards in pure scoring ability but his other offensive capabilities bring him back up I think.
                            Man SF you're a cool dude, but I need you to push yourself away from the Mavs buffet table man, you're over eating. Best floor general? Why can't he just be what he is? A really good point guard whom you wouldn't mind having on your team if you aren't fortunate enough to have a Paul or a Parker etc. you're overhyping my man and doing him a disservice similar to ESPN tracking down the most obscure and ridiculous stats to hype LeBron when they feel like they've thrown enough dirt on him for the week and want to prop him back up.

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                            • CMH
                              Making you famous
                              • Oct 2002
                              • 26203

                              #44
                              Re: 3/25 - 3/31 Games Discussion Thread

                              I see Kyrie still gets a lot of love.

                              Not sure why. Waiting for him to go next level.


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                              • The 24th Letter
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                                • Oct 2007
                                • 39373

                                #45
                                3/25 - 3/31 Games Discussion Thread

                                Originally posted by BleacherBum2310
                                I get the Harden Point, I just don't see it with Durant. He doesn't flop any more than Lebron or Paul imo. "primarily a jump shooter" I would love to see data on this because I think people would be surprised where most of His FT's attempts in what area they occur.

                                He definitely does...he's crafty at drawing fouls period , but he sells pretty hard as well...

                                Difference is there isn't 5 GIFs and YouTube videos put up as soon as he does it....this is why I don't take a lot of guys serious about how torn up they are about flopping, they see it when they want to...with who they want to...(not calling you out, just saying)

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