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  • ex carrabba fan
    I'll thank him for you
    • Oct 2004
    • 32744

    #286
    Re: 3/25 - 3/31 Games Discussion Thread

    Originally posted by King_B_Mack
    They don't deserve anything. This is sports, you get what you earn. They want to be in the playoffs, win more games, period.

    If it doesn't make sense to you that two teams below .500 are going to make the playoffs and they aren't then you might as well get used to it.
    Again, they deserve a spot more than the Cats and the Hawks. Do you want to enter that discussion because we can.

    I am used to it though. The bottom half of the East has been trash for years. That's why you hear the constant backlash.

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    • King_B_Mack
      All Star
      • Jan 2009
      • 24451

      #287
      Re: 3/25 - 3/31 Games Discussion Thread

      Okay, let's enter it then. The only thing here that isn't debatable is the FACT that the Blazers play in the Western Conference and the Cats and Hawks play in the East. The Cats and Hawks have won the needed amount of games to be a playoff team in their conference. Thus far the Blazers have as well, if they don't make the playoffs, they didn't do what they know they were supposed to do. Therefore they don't deserve to be in the playoffs. Discussion over.

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      • Majingir
        Moderator
        • Apr 2005
        • 47691

        #288
        Re: 3/25 - 3/31 Games Discussion Thread

        To be fair about all this...don't many seasons in sports have those "If ___ was in a diff division(or conference) they'd be in a much better position" type of stories? This season it's just magnified because of how insane the west teams are this year compared to how horrible the east teams are.

        MLB has it all the time,especially in the AL East where 2nd or even 3rd place team in that division would contend for division title in another division. Or NHL this year for example, Stars probably gonna miss playoffs,but if they were in the east,they'd be 7th. NFL this past season too, 10-6 Cards missed playoffs,but if they were in NFC North,they'd be division champs.

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        • SteelersFreak
          All Star
          • May 2004
          • 9582

          #289
          Re: 3/25 - 3/31 Games Discussion Thread

          Let's be real honest guys, the Mavs are gonna miss the playoffs.
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          • SteelersFreak
            All Star
            • May 2004
            • 9582

            #290
            Re: 3/25 - 3/31 Games Discussion Thread

            Originally posted by King_B_Mack
            Okay, let's enter it then. The only thing here that isn't debatable is the FACT that the Blazers play in the Western Conference and the Cats and Hawks play in the East. The Cats and Hawks have won the needed amount of games to be a playoff team in their conference. Thus far the Blazers have as well, if they don't make the playoffs, they didn't do what they know they were supposed to do. Therefore they don't deserve to be in the playoffs. Discussion over.
            It's hard to be a fan of a team that is struggling to make the playoffs when you know if they just played in the other conference they would be the 3rd ****ing seed.
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            • ex carrabba fan
              I'll thank him for you
              • Oct 2004
              • 32744

              #291
              Re: 3/25 - 3/31 Games Discussion Thread

              Originally posted by King_B_Mack
              Okay, let's enter it then. The only thing here that isn't debatable is the FACT that the Blazers play in the Western Conference and the Cats and Hawks play in the East. The Cats and Hawks have won the needed amount of games to be a playoff team in their conference. Thus far the Blazers have as well, if they don't make the playoffs, they didn't do what they know they were supposed to do. Therefore they don't deserve to be in the playoffs. Discussion over.
              Pathetic

              Over indeed

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              • King_B_Mack
                All Star
                • Jan 2009
                • 24451

                #292
                Re: 3/25 - 3/31 Games Discussion Thread

                Originally posted by SteelersFreak
                It's hard to be a fan of a team that is struggling to make the playoffs when you know if they just played in the other conference they would be the 3rd ****ing seed.
                And I understand that, but they don't play in the other conference so get over it. It's not like this is new. I'll bet the '94 Suns are still pissed that they were 59-23 and second place in the West when they could have been first in the East over the 57-25 Orlando Magic. Or how about the '88 Bullets? Miss the playoffs at 40-42 while the 39-43 Blazers get in over in the West. It's the nature of the beast. There's no point whining about this especially in the case of the Blazers or the Mavs for that matter. All they have to do is keep winning and they're in. If they don't do that, too damn bad.

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                • King_B_Mack
                  All Star
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 24451

                  #293
                  Re: 3/25 - 3/31 Games Discussion Thread

                  Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                  Pathetic

                  Over indeed


                  Riveting. You have bested me in this one sir. FOH

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                  • ProfessaPackMan
                    Bamma
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 63852

                    #294
                    Re: 3/25 - 3/31 Games Discussion Thread

                    1. Ex remember who you're talking to. I'm the king of using context on here while everyone else goes overboard with the hyperbole when trying to make a point lol.

                    2. Don't confuse my post with me defending Hawks or Bobcats saying they're more "deserving"(which I never said Portland wasn't deserving BTW)of a playoff spot than Portland. My point was that if you're 20 games over .500 and 10+ games ahead of the 8th, 9th or 10th place team in your conference at ANY point in the season, then there's no excuse to NOT make the playoffs. There are exceptions to this rule however, such as your entire team being decimated by injuries.

                    Fortunately for them, they built a big enough cushion for them where they could withstand going thru a slump. Not to mention, they've gotten some help from the 6th, 7th, 8th and 9th place teams in the West pulling each other down, essentially giving Portland more breathing room as well.
                    #RespectTheCulture

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                    • ProfessaPackMan
                      Bamma
                      • Mar 2008
                      • 63852

                      #295
                      Re: 3/25 - 3/31 Games Discussion Thread

                      Originally posted by Majingir
                      To be fair about all this...don't many seasons in sports have those "If ___ was in a diff division(or conference) they'd be in a much better position" type of stories? This season it's just magnified because of how insane the west teams are this year compared to how horrible the east teams are.
                      That's why we can't look at teams just based off their record(spare me the infamous Bill Parcells quote)and say "Oh(insert team)is good/awful, they'd be great in the West/East" etc without taking things into consideration such as injuries and when/how they're playing at the time(AKA using context)

                      I look at it like this and I'll use the Nets as an example:

                      Against the top 8 teams in the West this year, they've swept the Suns, Grizzlies, Mavs, split with the Spurs, Clippers, Warriors, Thunder, have a chance to split with the Rockets and were swept by the Blazers. And in some of those games, teams were missing key players in their lineups.

                      They have a chance to go 12-6 against those teams depending on the Rockets game coming up. Using that sample size, would I or anybody else think they could compete and make a serious run if they were in the West? Probably not because I know it's a lot easier to prepare for a team you only play twice a year as opposed to playing them 4x a year and potentially more. Classic case of numbers not lying but also not telling the whole story either.

                      Sorry for just rambling on at this point lol
                      #RespectTheCulture

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                      • ex carrabba fan
                        I'll thank him for you
                        • Oct 2004
                        • 32744

                        #296
                        Re: 3/25 - 3/31 Games Discussion Thread

                        Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                        1. Ex remember who you're talking to. I'm the king of using context on here while everyone else goes overboard with the hyperbole when trying to make a point lol.

                        2. Don't confuse my post with me defending Hawks or Bobcats saying they're more "deserving"(which I never said Portland wasn't deserving BTW)of a playoff spot than Portland. My point was that if you're 20 games over .500 and 10+ games ahead of the 8th, 9th or 10th place team in your conference at ANY point in the season, then there's no excuse to NOT make the playoffs. There are exceptions to this rule however, such as your entire team being decimated by injuries.

                        Fortunately for them, they built a big enough cushion for them where they could withstand going thru a slump. Not to mention, they've gotten some help from the 6th, 7th, 8th and 9th place teams in the West pulling each other down, essentially giving Portland more breathing room as well.
                        I know man, I'm just pointing out that even with them "falling back down to Earth" they still would be 3rd in the East. That's all I'm saying.

                        I think we both agree or at least don't disagree with the overall point.

                        Again, in recent history I wouldn't and couldn't make a case for a West team being left out but this year is a bit different.

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                        • ProfessaPackMan
                          Bamma
                          • Mar 2008
                          • 63852

                          #297
                          Re: 3/25 - 3/31 Games Discussion Thread

                          Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                          I know man, I'm just pointing out that even with them "falling back down to Earth" they still would be 3rd in the East. That's all I'm saying.

                          I think we both agree or at least don't disagree with the overall point.

                          Again, in recent history I wouldn't and couldn't make a case for a West team being left out but this year is a bit different.
                          What I meant by saying they came back to Earth is that I never thought they were as good as their record shown early on in the season and thought they overachieved at that point(Had 7 losses at the end of 2013 and already have 20 since Jan. 1). So yeah, they'd be 3rd in the East going off their record. Do I think they'd be the 3rd best TEAM in the East? Not necessarily.

                          It's moreso me not really being a believer of them.
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                          • ex carrabba fan
                            I'll thank him for you
                            • Oct 2004
                            • 32744

                            #298
                            Re: 3/25 - 3/31 Games Discussion Thread

                            Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                            What I meant by saying they came back to Earth is that I never thought they were as good as their record shown early on in the season and thought they overachieved at that point(Had 7 losses at the end of 2013 and already have 20 since Jan. 1). So yeah, they'd be 3rd in the East going off their record. Do I think they'd be the 3rd best TEAM in the East? Not necessarily.

                            It's moreso me not really being a believer of them.
                            That's actually what I was getting at as well, I'm definitely not a believer in them (in terms of being a contender), but they sure as hell deserve to be in the playoffs without a doubt. That goes for Dallas, Phoenix and Golden State too.

                            I won't get into the "3rd best team in the East" because I don't think that's the point. The real point is the merit of getting into the playoffs to begin with. Pointing out that they would be the 3rd best team just illuminates their merit.

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                            • SteelersFreak
                              All Star
                              • May 2004
                              • 9582

                              #299
                              Re: 3/25 - 3/31 Games Discussion Thread

                              Originally posted by King_B_Mack
                              And I understand that, but they don't play in the other conference so get over it. It's not like this is new. I'll bet the '94 Suns are still pissed that they were 59-23 and second place in the West when they could have been first in the East over the 57-25 Orlando Magic. Or how about the '88 Bullets? Miss the playoffs at 40-42 while the 39-43 Blazers get in over in the West. It's the nature of the beast. There's no point whining about this especially in the case of the Blazers or the Mavs for that matter. All they have to do is keep winning and they're in. If they don't do that, too damn bad.
                              C'mon King, you're better than this one man. You're comparing teams with extremely close records and being one seed away from each other with teams jumping SIX spots in the standings just by switching conferences. And conversely teams falling six spots by switching conferences. That's not normal. Teams should expect to occasionally have problems like this, we see it regularly really, but this year it's especially bad. I've never seen a time where the 3rd seed in the East would be TENTH in the West.
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                              • King_B_Mack
                                All Star
                                • Jan 2009
                                • 24451

                                #300
                                Re: 3/25 - 3/31 Games Discussion Thread

                                Originally posted by SteelersFreak
                                C'mon King, you're better than this one man. You're comparing teams with extremely close records and being one seed away from each other with teams jumping SIX spots in the standings just by switching conferences. And conversely teams falling six spots by switching conferences. That's not normal. Teams should expect to occasionally have problems like this, we see it regularly really, but this year it's especially bad. I've never seen a time where the 3rd seed in the East would be TENTH in the West.
                                But that's the biggest problem I have with this crying about it this year. This pretty much never happens like this. But we see exactly why it has happened. Outside of New York just being god awful on their own, all the playoff teams in the East have been dealt some very significant injuries or have some sort of circumstance for why they're as bad as they are this year with a potentially stacked free agency looming and one of the best drafts of the last ten years as well. Does it suck that they'll not be playing? Sure, I can agree with that, but don't tell me somebody "deserves" to be in the playoffs more than another team that did what they were supposed to do. Especially when we're crying about teams that currently are in the playoffs.

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