2014 Eastern Conference Playoffs -1st Round Discussion Thread

[Vni]

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If you're that pressed to find it.

Otherwise, I could care less if you find it or not personally because it's clearly obvious which post I was referencing. Not sure what Chris Bosh has to do with this either.

Here you vni since it's apparently too far behind for you to go look for:


Guys like Hibbert, Lopez, Chandler and even Howard to an extent are always going to be liabilities/struggle against Stretch 4s/5s because their strength is protecting the rim and grabbing defensive rebounds but when you're pulled out further away from the basket, it's going to be more difficult to grab boards on THAT end of the court. That's been proven time and time again.

Off course but to stretch the floor you need to make shots and Antic isn't doing that. And Chris Bosh has played a lot at center against Hibbert and as you know Chris Bosh is also a stretch 5. That's what Miami does a lot 5 out sets. So it is actually relevent to the discussion.

Off course he isn't 100% at it's best against Antic on defense but come on. The guy has just quit in his head.

Thanks for at least explaining yourself. Just makes it easyier.

[Majingir]

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Jason Kidd now calling out the refs in Raptors-Nets game. Both teams do have valid points though. Some questionable calls do get made against both sides in crucial moments(which get forgotten about from the winning teams side), but it gets magnified by whoever loses(which is why Raptors were real upset after first 3 games,and now Nets upset from game 4-5)

Also...

"If flopping is the way to go, then we have to maybe play that game," Kidd said later.

Be prepared everyone:

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Off course but to stretch the floor you need to make shots and Antic isn't doing that.

But that doesn't mean you just completely sag off him at the 3pt line and give him an open look. I mean if we're going to use regular season stats for Hibbert...Antic shot 32% from 3pt range, which for a Center is damn high. So yeah, he's struggling from there now...but you still have to respect him from that range since he's shown he can hit those shots.

And Chris Bosh has played a lot at center against Hibbert and as you know Chris Bosh is also a stretch 5.

And we've seen times/moments where Bosh has made Hibbert ineffective from doing the same thing.

Off course he isn't 100% at it's best against Antic on defense but come on. The guy has just quit in his head.

Again, I've clearly said it's mostly on Hibbert.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Jason Kidd now calling out the refs in Raptors-Nets game. Both teams do have valid points though. Some questionable calls do get made against both sides in crucial moments(which get forgotten about from the winning teams side), but it gets magnified by whoever loses(which is why Raptors were real upset after first 3 games,and now Nets upset from game 4-5)

Also...
Be prepared everyone:

Speak for yourself. You haven't heard any of us Nets fans here or on the SB Blogs blame officiating for our losses. That's been ALL Raptors from the time the series was announced and was also even going to the reason you guys would lose, listening to ya'll. Officiating has sucked but it hasn't been a main reason in why we've lost. Personally, I don't think it's been as bad as Raptors fans make it out to be.

Not a fan of Kidd angling the Refs thru the Media though. That's **** I expect from the Fans.

[23]

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Kidd has done that before but I do agree any ref talk has all come from the TOR side

[Majingir]

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Speak for yourself. You haven't heard any of us Nets fans here or on the SB Blogs blame officiating for our losses. That's been ALL Raptors from the time the series was announced and was also even going to the reason you guys would lose, listening to ya'll. Officiating has sucked but it hasn't been a main reason in why we've lost. Personally, I don't think it's been as bad as Raptors fans make it out to be.

Not a fan of Kidd angling the Refs thru the Media though. That's **** I expect from the Fans.

I wasn't talking specifically this series, I meant sports in general, if a team loses and a questionable call happens,fans will point to refs, if they win,they'll let it slide since they won.

But I have seen Nets fans complaining about refs too. Raptors fans much more though,but that might also have to do with fact that Raptors fans are much more vocal than Nets fans on internet in general.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Has very little to do with who's more vocal and more to do with the theory that Raptors fans have in that League will do whatever it takes to get a Heat-Nets 2nd round matchup. Now that they've won 2 straight, I haven't heard much regarding that.

That being said, Kidd knows what he's doing(Casey did it after Game 1 and 3 IIRC)so I wouldn't be surprised to see the Nets get the advantage on certain calls. However, those won't mean much if they don't knock down their FTs, which has been one of the bigger issues for us in this series.

[Majingir]

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Has very little to do with who's more vocal and more to do with the theory that Raptors fans have in that League will do whatever it takes to get a Heat-Nets 2nd round matchup. Now that they've won 2 straight, I haven't heard much regarding that.

It's like I said, a win basically calms people down and makes them forget about some bad calls,but a loss magnifies them. Raptors won 2 straight,so fans not really bothering about ref calls. If they lose,fans will take note of refs calls. I don't mean this in a whole "refs calls have been bad all series,we just don't care about it if we win" way,but I can't really think of better words to use right now other than the whole magnifying calls in a loss.

Happens in all sports. Look at baseball, if a ball is called a strike, does a team who's up by 5 really get that upset, or is it the team down by 1 who gets upset at the call? Answer is obviously the one who's losing cause team who's winning will just be like "whatever...we're still winning regardless" but the one losing will be like "that pitch makes a huge difference!Count could be 2-0 right now instead of 1-1!"

So coming from Raptors fans,whose team has lost much more than they've won all these years,fans have magnified things like crazy all these years. I'm sure if team was winning alot more,fans prob wouldn't even care/notice refs as much as they do when losing. Calls could be exact same when winning and losing,but losing sparks much bigger reaction from people, and like I said,Raptors have lost alot over the years which has built up alot of reactions towards refs.

[HealyMonster]

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Doubt he does, though I know in NHL it's a rule where a player is suspended for 10 games if he leaves the bench during a fight between players on the ice(most recently happened this past September in that insane Leafs-Sabres brawl)

Just so you guys know, the guy stepping across the 3 point line is not Paul George. This "story" sounds better with Paul George in it, but Paul barely even steps on the court. The guy on the left walks out over the 3 point line, and he is actually the person this "controversy" is about, not Paul George.

[KG]

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Just so you guys know, the guy stepping across the 3 point line is not Paul George. This "story" sounds better with Paul George in it, but Paul barely even steps on the court. The guy on the left walks out over the 3 point line, and he is actually the person this "controversy" is about, not Paul George.

Yeah. I don't know how people are missing that. George did step a little on the court but not as far as whoever that guy is. You can tell by the shoes. George was wearing some yellow Nike Zoom Crusaders last night. That guy was wearing some all-black nikes.

[cima]

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Just so you guys know, the guy stepping across the 3 point line is not Paul George. This "story" sounds better with Paul George in it, but Paul barely even steps on the court. The guy on the left walks out over the 3 point line, and he is actually the person this "controversy" is about, not Paul George.

No, it's still about Paul George. He didn't step as far as the other guy, because the other angles showed that guy at least was trying to hold other people back. But he still stepped onto the court.

[HealyMonster]

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No, it's still about Paul George. He didn't step as far as the other guy, because the other angles showed that guy at least was trying to hold other people back. But he still stepped onto the court.

Whatever. People trying to make something out of nothing. Haters gonna hate

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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If PG is suspended, I expect that the league will review that rule during the off-season to figure out if they can make any tweaks.

From what I saw, it didn't even look like both of his feet stepped on the court. Looked like he took one step over the line. Just seems ridiculous to me, but then again, I've always thought that this rule was implemented very poorly.

[Majingir]

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I know game happened on Wednesday so it's somewhat old news, but I never knew it was an issue until it was brought up on PTI.

At end of Raptors-Nets game, JV would've been called for goaltending had the Nets not been called for backcourt violation(and Nets would've won the game with that 3 pointer off of goaltending). Thing is...Raptors do it ALL THE TIME. Not goaltend, but block guys shots if they take a shot that won't count. It happens all the time and this was the same thing. He knew the Nets shot was after a backcourt violation so since it wouldn't count, he just jumped to get the ball. At least that's how I see it. Others see it as a stupid move that could've cost Raptors the game/series.

Speaking of moves like that...it's funny when Raptors do it. Cause in NBA guys always take shots after a whistle goes, and Raptors players always just run in there to block the shot from going in. I think it was a few games ago KG took a shot after a whistle, a Raptors player came in and blocked it from going in the net,KG got the ball back,looked all confused for abit and then took another shot after the Raptor player left lol

[The 24th Letter]

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That would've been the fail of all fails had the back court been waved off...

Thing about it, is the shot actually looked on target before JV even blocked it..