2014 Off-Season Thread

[AC]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

Yeah, Celtics and Pistons getting jobbed in that deal imho.

[jpshua15]

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I had been thinking of a four team deal between the Celtics, Lakers, Kings, and Pistons.

Lakers gets G. Monroe, G. Wallace, and R. McCallum
Kings gets R. Rondo and J. Smith
Pistons gets R. Gay and R. Kelly
Celtics gets S. Nash, N. Stauskas, R. Sacre and Hou 1st round pick, via Lakers

Lakers make a power move before camp opens up bringing in Monroe who doesn't want to be in Detroit. Byron Scott loves the hard nose veterans(even if their overpaid and a shell of themselves sorry had to) and Gerald Wallace fits the mold. And the get a young back up to Lin.

Kings get a core they can make a playoff push with not only this year but for the life of Cousins, Smiths, and if they can extend Rondo deals. Smith and Rondo are tight and Cousins has called Rondo the best PG.

Pistons benefit from addition by subtraction. Monroe/Smith/Drummond front court won't work. With SVG in the fold he'll likely look to build around Drummond like the Magic did around Howard. In comes Gay who's a much improved player and more importantly a much better 3pt shooter than Smith. Add Kelly who should be the prototypical stretch 4 and spacing around Drummond goes from bad to good.

Celtics are the only team that doesn't become better on the court day one. However if Ainge is smart he's in the business of remaining flexible and stacking assets. This deal put them right on target as they get maybe the best shooter in this past draft and additional 1st round pick next year. They could use Nash as a mentor for a very young team or trade him to a surfire playoff team like Miami who could use him.

Too many moving parts

[iLLosophy]

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Just for discussion sake could you be more specific as to why you think it's a bad trade?

Rudy gay going to detroit seems like another one of those awful dumars choices...Darko, Ben Gordon, Charlie V, Iverson, Smith, Jennings. Thats a list thats seems like Rudy would fit perfectly in.

I wouldn't trade monroe for him straight up, even if he does fit better.

As for the C's, you basically admitted (in so many words) the Nash is useless to them. Why take part in a 4 team trade if you are going to have to trade again? C's don't need more youth they need proven players at this point.

[redsrule]

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Getting rid of Josh Smith makes the trade okay in my book.

[ojandpizza]

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So thinking on the Mozgov to Cleveland rumors, and Faried playing so well for team USA..

With all that Cleveland gave up, could they have hypothetically received Mozgov, Faried, and Chandler/Nate/Afflalo/Gallinari/Foye.




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[ex carrabba fan]

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So thinking on the Mozgov to Cleveland rumors, and Faried playing so well for team USA..

With all that Cleveland gave up, could they have hypothetically received Mozgov, Faried, and Chandler/Nate/Afflalo/Gallinari/Foye.




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I would say yes. I'm guessing Cleveland already views Andy in the Faried role though and they would value Love's skill/shooting more than that package.

On paper I think getting that talent from Denver would be very good though.

[The 24th Letter]

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Assuming Denver would agree to that sure, I'm sure they wouldn't though..

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

CDR to the Clippers on a 1 year vet's minimum deal.

[ojandpizza]

2014 Off-Season Thread

Faired has been in trade rumors for awhile though, and Denver has McGee, Hickson, Mozgov, Koufos, Nurkic, like 5 centers on their roster.

I would consider Mozgov/Faried and Gallinari/Chandler/Foye pretty likely.

Foye because they grabbed Afflalo, drafted Gary Harris, and still have Nate.

Gallinari because he just missed all of last season, and because he would be replaced by Wiggins anyways after the trade. And Chandler because he's not all that great to begin with.

Actually if Denver wouldn't do that trade I would probably be shocked. Wiggins in the most anticipated rookie in 11 years.

Hypothetical lineups.

Lawson Kyrie
Afflalo Waiters
Wiggins. LeBron
Hickson/Bennett/Arthur. Faried
McGee/Koufos Andy/Mozgov

I do agree with ex though, I think Cleveland probably values Love's skill set and star power a little more than the depth and possibly overall upgrade from the Denver trade.

Though this trade wouldn't kill their cap space, especially since Faried would be among the lowest paid players on the team. If the trade was for Faried/Mozgov/Foye, Cleveland could then hypothetically have thrown a huge offer at Al Jefferson, Greg Monroe, Deandre Jordan, Marc Gasol, Omer Asik, LaMarcus Aldridge.. Or a combo of lesser paid players like Tyson Chandler and Goran Dragic, or whatever else.. Either scenario instantly giving them the best team, on paper, within the past 20 or so years.

Kinda why I'm always somewhat skeptical of throwing all your assets and money at one guy when you already have the best player in the world on your team. But meh, what's done is done and Cleveland still has a finals caliber team for the next 5+ years.


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[da ThRONe]

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Celtics basically trade Rondo for Stauskus & a late 1st. And Lakers trade garbage and end up with Monroe...

Rondo plays a position that happens to be stacked, is coming off of a recent injury, rubs most people the wrong way and doesn't care(don't think this can be understated) and will require a big financial commitment the very next offseason if he doesn't leave via free agency out right . They lose Wallace's contract which gives them a ton of cap space to be aggressive in FA next off season. What teams has A) the cap space for Rondo, B) the need for Rondo C) the willing to take him with only a year left on his contract, D) the pieces to entice Boston who's already stacked at the 3, 4, and 4.5 position and who just drafted their PG of the future E) can take back Wallace's remaining 2 years and F) wants to deal with Rondo's well known standoff-ish personality? And what better package could they put together?


Lakers may trade "garbage", but then they have to receive garbage in return. As for as Kelly it's kind of in the eye of the beholder. Even though his 3pt% was pretty average is rookie season(34%) his career at Duke proves he can shoot it(shot 42% his senior year). Detroit just vastly overpaid Meeks for his shooting. And if they indeed want to build around Drummond a la the Howard method this could end up being a steal for the Pistons. Monroe wants to leave it's rumored he didn't even look for a offer sheet to just was only interested in a S&T. Not sure if the Pistons wanted to keep Monroe or just couldn't find a deal that they liked. If it's the latter they are going to have to settle. Smith was a Dumars signing he doesn't really fit with Van Gundy has shown to like so I can't imagine the idea of paying him 40M over the next 3 years is sitting well with Van Gundy and Bowers. So in that case it's Rudy Gay for Monroe. Gay only has one year left on his deal so he's coming in having played some of the best ball of his career, on a contract year, and is a much better fit in the system Van Gundy runs. I would argue that Pistons are significantly better after this trade. Fit and chemistry goes along way in winning in this league. There is no fit or chemistry with Drummond/Monroe/Smith.

[da ThRONe]

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Rudy gay going to detroit seems like another one of those awful dumars choices...Darko, Ben Gordon, Charlie V, Iverson, Smith, Jennings. Thats a list thats seems like Rudy would fit perfectly in.

I wouldn't trade monroe for him straight up, even if he does fit better.

As for the C's, you basically admitted (in so many words) the Nash is useless to them. Why take part in a 4 team trade if you are going to have to trade again? C's don't need more youth they need proven players at this point.

That probably means you haven't been following Rudy much lately(and not his FIBA action). He's played really good ball in last season and unlike Smith is in the last year of his contract which could free up the Pistons to find pieces they like better if he doesn't work out next year.

[iLLosophy]

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That probably means you haven't been following Rudy much lately(and not his FIBA action). He's played really good ball in last season and unlike Smith is in the last year of his contract which could free up the Pistons to find pieces they like better if he doesn't work out next year.

I'm familiar with how he played with the Kings. However I'm familiar with how he played with Toronto, and the Grizzlies as well. A player doesn't suddenly just get "better" halfway into his 8th season. It's most likely he found a team/system he enjoyed playing with/in and became more engaged. Which means if he goes to Detroit - he can just as easily become disengaged. He has the inconsistency of JR Smith.

If you can find a way to do it without Monroe, go for it. But neither Monroe or Drummond shouldn't be moved just to dump smith's contract. Unless they get something back better than Rudy.

[da ThRONe]

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Too many moving parts

Always a concern with any trade and 4 team trades are 4X's the concern. I could see more fillers here and there, but I think all parties come away happy not thrilled. Most importantly every team is in a better place after the trade than they were before IMO.

[redsrule]

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Rondo plays a position that happens to be stacked, is coming off of a recent injury, rubs most people the wrong way and doesn't care(don't think this can be understated) and will require a big financial commitment the very next offseason if he doesn't leave via free agency out right . They lose Wallace's contract which gives them a ton of cap space to be aggressive in FA next off season. What teams has A) the cap space for Rondo, B) the need for Rondo C) the willing to take him with only a year left on his contract, D) the pieces to entice Boston who's already stacked at the 3, 4, and 4.5 position and who just drafted their PG of the future E) can take back Wallace's remaining 2 years and F) wants to deal with Rondo's well known standoff-ish personality? And what better package could they put together?

Nice job making stuff up.

[ojandpizza]

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If they get Rudy I think it only makes sense if Smith is moved.. Gay/Monroe/Drummond is much better than what they currently have IMO, but losing both Monroe and Smith, leaving them with Gay, ???, Drummond that's a problem.


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