How good could Jordan have been?

**Air23** · 06-11-2004, 06:29 AM

Re: How good could Jordan have been?

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Rocky said:
Jordan before retirement #1 was one of the best rebounding guards(excluding Magic) in the history of the NBA. He could rip anybody he wanted to at any given time.

Just rent "Come fly with Me" and you will never make a Jordan-Kobe, Vince, T-Mac comparison again...

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No need to rent it, I have it. And to say Jordan can rip anybody anytime he wanted to, I suggest you check the Iverson clip where he breaks Jordan's ankle.

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Not to mention Joe Dumars who owned Jordan in the late 80's.

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You MUST be high. Dumars didn't own sh*t. The Pistons AS A TEAM guarded Jordan well--and he STILL regularly dropped 40+ points on them. One-on-one, Dumars was no match-up for Jordan. He had A LOT of help from the other Pistons, especially Rodman and Salley.

Some of you guys must have started watching the NBA in the late 90's.

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This coming from the same guy that didn't know Jordan got popped in the face by Danny Ferry because hey, Jordan was so great...NOBODY would ever lay a hand on him

Apparently, you didn't watch basketball back then either because Joe Dumars was the only person who could contain Michale Jordan. Not stop him but, at least make him work so hard it frustrated Jordan to the point where Mike started doing stuff all by himself isntead of giving his teammates a chance to help. Dumars was an excellent defender. Jordan, himself, even admitted that Dumars battled him the hardest in his whole career.

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So, how does Jordan saying Dumars battled him the hardest equal to, as dude said, "Dumars owning Jordan"? Explain that to me, oh wise one.

All Dumars did was make Jordan work harder for his baskets. He still scored 30 and 40+ on Dumars. And I take it that having long-armed fast defenders like Salley and Rodman on the same team didn't help any, huh P2K?

Man, I got Sports Illustrated articles that go into detail about how Dumars got A LOT of help guarding Jordan. Or, does the "Jordan Rules" not ring a bell with you? Check out Sports Illustrateds NBA Preview issue for the 1989-90 season. It has Dumars on the cover with a cardboard cut-out of Jordan. It explains how the Jordan Rules worked--and how Jordan at times STILL got big points on the Pistons.

As far as Ferry, dude, I wish I had that game on tape. I'd send it to you to show you how that pasty bitch pushed off on Jordan when they got tangled and flinched when Jordan cocked back on his [censored].

**Air23** · 06-11-2004, 06:31 AM

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Shaq's rookie year in the Orlando Magic makes that team a playoff contender that can challenge even the Bulls or Pacers. In fact Shaq on his rookie year, he can go head to head with either Olajuwon, Ewing and David Robinson any given night. And those 3 players I mention are not just veterans, they are 3 of the best Centers of NBA's history.

Though he was put to silence by Olajuwon on the finals.

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Shaq used to get OWNED by those guys in his rookie year. He didn't even make the playoffs in his rookie year, so to say the Magic that year would challenge the Bulls is a stretch.

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But the Bulls did face Orlando in the 95 East Finals, didn't they?

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It was actually the 96 East Finals. The previous year, Orlando beat the Bulls in the East Semifinals.

But Shaq's rookie year was 1993, and Orlando missed the playoffs that year.

**Air23** · 06-11-2004, 06:31 AM

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Shaq's rookie year in the Orlando Magic makes that team a playoff contender that can challenge even the Bulls or Pacers. In fact Shaq on his rookie year, he can go head to head with either Olajuwon, Ewing and David Robinson any given night. And those 3 players I mention are not just veterans, they are 3 of the best Centers of NBA's history.

Though he was put to silence by Olajuwon on the finals.

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Shaq used to get OWNED by those guys in his rookie year. He didn't even make the playoffs in his rookie year, so to say the Magic that year would challenge the Bulls is a stretch.

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But the Bulls did face Orlando in the 95 East Finals, didn't they?

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It was actually the 96 East Finals. The previous year, Orlando beat the Bulls in the East Semifinals.

But Shaq's rookie year was 1993, and Orlando missed the playoffs that year.

**Air23** · 06-11-2004, 06:31 AM

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Sarah said:
Shaq's rookie year in the Orlando Magic makes that team a playoff contender that can challenge even the Bulls or Pacers. In fact Shaq on his rookie year, he can go head to head with either Olajuwon, Ewing and David Robinson any given night. And those 3 players I mention are not just veterans, they are 3 of the best Centers of NBA's history.

Though he was put to silence by Olajuwon on the finals.

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Shaq used to get OWNED by those guys in his rookie year. He didn't even make the playoffs in his rookie year, so to say the Magic that year would challenge the Bulls is a stretch.

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But the Bulls did face Orlando in the 95 East Finals, didn't they?

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It was actually the 96 East Finals. The previous year, Orlando beat the Bulls in the East Semifinals.

But Shaq's rookie year was 1993, and Orlando missed the playoffs that year.

**Programmed2Kill** · 06-11-2004, 09:26 AM

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Rocky said:
Jordan before retirement #1 was one of the best rebounding guards(excluding Magic) in the history of the NBA. He could rip anybody he wanted to at any given time.

Just rent "Come fly with Me" and you will never make a Jordan-Kobe, Vince, T-Mac comparison again...

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No need to rent it, I have it. And to say Jordan can rip anybody anytime he wanted to, I suggest you check the Iverson clip where he breaks Jordan's ankle.

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Not to mention Joe Dumars who owned Jordan in the late 80's.

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You MUST be high. Dumars didn't own sh*t. The Pistons AS A TEAM guarded Jordan well--and he STILL regularly dropped 40+ points on them. One-on-one, Dumars was no match-up for Jordan. He had A LOT of help from the other Pistons, especially Rodman and Salley.

Some of you guys must have started watching the NBA in the late 90's.

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This coming from the same guy that didn't know Jordan got popped in the face by Danny Ferry because hey, Jordan was so great...NOBODY would ever lay a hand on him

Apparently, you didn't watch basketball back then either because Joe Dumars was the only person who could contain Michale Jordan. Not stop him but, at least make him work so hard it frustrated Jordan to the point where Mike started doing stuff all by himself isntead of giving his teammates a chance to help. Dumars was an excellent defender. Jordan, himself, even admitted that Dumars battled him the hardest in his whole career.

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So, how does Jordan saying Dumars battled him the hardest equal to, as dude said, "Dumars owning Jordan"? Explain that to me, oh wise one.

All Dumars did was make Jordan work harder for his baskets. He still scored 30 and 40+ on Dumars. And I take it that having long-armed fast defenders like Salley and Rodman on the same team didn't help any, huh P2K?

Man, I got Sports Illustrated articles that go into detail about how Dumars got A LOT of help guarding Jordan. Or, does the "Jordan Rules" not ring a bell with you? Check out Sports Illustrateds NBA Preview issue for the 1989-90 season. It has Dumars on the cover with a cardboard cut-out of Jordan. It explains how the Jordan Rules worked--and how Jordan at times STILL got big points on the Pistons.

As far as Ferry, dude, I wish I had that game on tape. I'd send it to you to show you how that pasty bitch pushed off on Jordan when they got tangled and flinched when Jordan cocked back on his [censored].

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Did I say Dumars OWNED Jordan? No I did not. Whoever said that to you, you deal with that person.

What I did say is that Dumars could contain him into frustration. And what I also was trying to say is that you are not giving credit where credit is much do. Joe Dumars was a serious defender. He stuck to Jordan's every move while defending him. A very smart player who didn't get flustered when guarding Mike. He was the warmup and when Jordan ripped himself away from Dumars finally, he went into the second tier of that "Jordan Rules" defense and so on, but Dumars was the initial of it. And Jordan was so worn out just by getting away from Dumars and no help from teammates, he had to do alot by himself...which, of course, made the "Jordan Rules" even more lethal.

But the point was that you weren't giving Dumards the credit he deserved. He WAS a match for Jordan. Michael couldn't just go out there and kick his [censored].

And even though Ferry did indeed flitch away when Jordan cocked back his fist, he got off a nice boom-check to Mike's chin. You're in denial.

Wanna know why I know this? Because I have that scuffle downloaded on my computer

**Programmed2Kill** · 06-11-2004, 09:26 AM

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Rocky said:
Jordan before retirement #1 was one of the best rebounding guards(excluding Magic) in the history of the NBA. He could rip anybody he wanted to at any given time.

Just rent "Come fly with Me" and you will never make a Jordan-Kobe, Vince, T-Mac comparison again...

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No need to rent it, I have it. And to say Jordan can rip anybody anytime he wanted to, I suggest you check the Iverson clip where he breaks Jordan's ankle.

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Not to mention Joe Dumars who owned Jordan in the late 80's.

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You MUST be high. Dumars didn't own sh*t. The Pistons AS A TEAM guarded Jordan well--and he STILL regularly dropped 40+ points on them. One-on-one, Dumars was no match-up for Jordan. He had A LOT of help from the other Pistons, especially Rodman and Salley.

Some of you guys must have started watching the NBA in the late 90's.

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This coming from the same guy that didn't know Jordan got popped in the face by Danny Ferry because hey, Jordan was so great...NOBODY would ever lay a hand on him

Apparently, you didn't watch basketball back then either because Joe Dumars was the only person who could contain Michale Jordan. Not stop him but, at least make him work so hard it frustrated Jordan to the point where Mike started doing stuff all by himself isntead of giving his teammates a chance to help. Dumars was an excellent defender. Jordan, himself, even admitted that Dumars battled him the hardest in his whole career.

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So, how does Jordan saying Dumars battled him the hardest equal to, as dude said, "Dumars owning Jordan"? Explain that to me, oh wise one.

All Dumars did was make Jordan work harder for his baskets. He still scored 30 and 40+ on Dumars. And I take it that having long-armed fast defenders like Salley and Rodman on the same team didn't help any, huh P2K?

Man, I got Sports Illustrated articles that go into detail about how Dumars got A LOT of help guarding Jordan. Or, does the "Jordan Rules" not ring a bell with you? Check out Sports Illustrateds NBA Preview issue for the 1989-90 season. It has Dumars on the cover with a cardboard cut-out of Jordan. It explains how the Jordan Rules worked--and how Jordan at times STILL got big points on the Pistons.

As far as Ferry, dude, I wish I had that game on tape. I'd send it to you to show you how that pasty bitch pushed off on Jordan when they got tangled and flinched when Jordan cocked back on his [censored].

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Did I say Dumars OWNED Jordan? No I did not. Whoever said that to you, you deal with that person.

What I did say is that Dumars could contain him into frustration. And what I also was trying to say is that you are not giving credit where credit is much do. Joe Dumars was a serious defender. He stuck to Jordan's every move while defending him. A very smart player who didn't get flustered when guarding Mike. He was the warmup and when Jordan ripped himself away from Dumars finally, he went into the second tier of that "Jordan Rules" defense and so on, but Dumars was the initial of it. And Jordan was so worn out just by getting away from Dumars and no help from teammates, he had to do alot by himself...which, of course, made the "Jordan Rules" even more lethal.

But the point was that you weren't giving Dumards the credit he deserved. He WAS a match for Jordan. Michael couldn't just go out there and kick his [censored].

And even though Ferry did indeed flitch away when Jordan cocked back his fist, he got off a nice boom-check to Mike's chin. You're in denial.

Wanna know why I know this? Because I have that scuffle downloaded on my computer

**Programmed2Kill** · 06-11-2004, 09:26 AM

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mateen said:
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Rocky said:
Jordan before retirement #1 was one of the best rebounding guards(excluding Magic) in the history of the NBA. He could rip anybody he wanted to at any given time.

Just rent "Come fly with Me" and you will never make a Jordan-Kobe, Vince, T-Mac comparison again...

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No need to rent it, I have it. And to say Jordan can rip anybody anytime he wanted to, I suggest you check the Iverson clip where he breaks Jordan's ankle.

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Not to mention Joe Dumars who owned Jordan in the late 80's.

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You MUST be high. Dumars didn't own sh*t. The Pistons AS A TEAM guarded Jordan well--and he STILL regularly dropped 40+ points on them. One-on-one, Dumars was no match-up for Jordan. He had A LOT of help from the other Pistons, especially Rodman and Salley.

Some of you guys must have started watching the NBA in the late 90's.

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This coming from the same guy that didn't know Jordan got popped in the face by Danny Ferry because hey, Jordan was so great...NOBODY would ever lay a hand on him

Apparently, you didn't watch basketball back then either because Joe Dumars was the only person who could contain Michale Jordan. Not stop him but, at least make him work so hard it frustrated Jordan to the point where Mike started doing stuff all by himself isntead of giving his teammates a chance to help. Dumars was an excellent defender. Jordan, himself, even admitted that Dumars battled him the hardest in his whole career.

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So, how does Jordan saying Dumars battled him the hardest equal to, as dude said, "Dumars owning Jordan"? Explain that to me, oh wise one.

All Dumars did was make Jordan work harder for his baskets. He still scored 30 and 40+ on Dumars. And I take it that having long-armed fast defenders like Salley and Rodman on the same team didn't help any, huh P2K?

Man, I got Sports Illustrated articles that go into detail about how Dumars got A LOT of help guarding Jordan. Or, does the "Jordan Rules" not ring a bell with you? Check out Sports Illustrateds NBA Preview issue for the 1989-90 season. It has Dumars on the cover with a cardboard cut-out of Jordan. It explains how the Jordan Rules worked--and how Jordan at times STILL got big points on the Pistons.

As far as Ferry, dude, I wish I had that game on tape. I'd send it to you to show you how that pasty bitch pushed off on Jordan when they got tangled and flinched when Jordan cocked back on his [censored].

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Did I say Dumars OWNED Jordan? No I did not. Whoever said that to you, you deal with that person.

What I did say is that Dumars could contain him into frustration. And what I also was trying to say is that you are not giving credit where credit is much do. Joe Dumars was a serious defender. He stuck to Jordan's every move while defending him. A very smart player who didn't get flustered when guarding Mike. He was the warmup and when Jordan ripped himself away from Dumars finally, he went into the second tier of that "Jordan Rules" defense and so on, but Dumars was the initial of it. And Jordan was so worn out just by getting away from Dumars and no help from teammates, he had to do alot by himself...which, of course, made the "Jordan Rules" even more lethal.

But the point was that you weren't giving Dumards the credit he deserved. He WAS a match for Jordan. Michael couldn't just go out there and kick his [censored].

And even though Ferry did indeed flitch away when Jordan cocked back his fist, he got off a nice boom-check to Mike's chin. You're in denial.

Wanna know why I know this? Because I have that scuffle downloaded on my computer

**King_James_23** · 06-11-2004, 09:49 AM

Re: How good could Jordan have been?

For me.....Kobe will be better than Jordan....When he Win in a team without a Dominant Center like Shaq..... For me....Kobe have 3 Rings Thanks to SHAQ And Phil....Lets see Kobe's future and you will see if Kobe can be like MIKE

**King_James_23** · 06-11-2004, 09:49 AM

Re: How good could Jordan have been?

For me.....Kobe will be better than Jordan....When he Win in a team without a Dominant Center like Shaq..... For me....Kobe have 3 Rings Thanks to SHAQ And Phil....Lets see Kobe's future and you will see if Kobe can be like MIKE

**King_James_23** · 06-11-2004, 09:49 AM

Re: How good could Jordan have been?

For me.....Kobe will be better than Jordan....When he Win in a team without a Dominant Center like Shaq..... For me....Kobe have 3 Rings Thanks to SHAQ And Phil....Lets see Kobe's future and you will see if Kobe can be like MIKE

**immortal** · 06-11-2004, 10:10 AM

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shaq and penny and 3d got swept he could not dominate the dream. Yes kobe is as good as jordan. The same as jordan was as good as dr j. no one want to believe there will be a next great. just as young kids now who never seen jordan prime think kobe is the best and never will be another better.

Jordan imitated dr j as kobe imitated jordan. Kobe is the best comparison to jordan not because his scoring but the love for the game the love of the pressure and the love to play d. jordan was equal in defence as soorer and so is kobe.

Players are much more athletic i believe kobe is jordans equal if not better athleticly i believe vince tmac wade are all more athletic than jordan. kobe and vince more than likely have better hoops. This is some of the reason why scores and shooting percentages are down. player can really move 7ft players can keep up with sg. 6ft 9 plus t.prince put the clamps on iverson.

And the biggest reason why the shooting percentages are down and why no one knocks down the open j is because the gm's are looking for all the physical specimens. There are tons of great shooters in college but they wont get drafted. they are too slow or they may be a defencive liability. like tmac,s not a defencive liability. never mind they can bail out your superstar ie mike having paxson or kerr not the best athletes but can shoot. Its funny as slow as they were i dont remember them being abused on the court. those two little guys took pride in there d

As for kobe needing shaq or shaq needing kobe. dont forget during those loses when shaq was out kobe averaged damn near a triple double. if he did what he did on any other team they would have won. truely the lakers were built around shaq. but the lakers are more dynamic with kobe. They need each other just like jordan needed pippen and pippen needed jordan. dont forget pippen duplicated wins and loses the year jordan retired. they still went to the playoffs with out him. damn the playoffs with out jordan and no center seems to me the bulls team wasnt all jordan the role players were picked for specific talents that maximized the team not just the best athlete that is why scoring went down not all athlete can shoot and not all play d. not all slower athlete can be taken off the dribble consistantly. and the slower athlete usually can shoot because they cant get to the hope. fundamental maximize your strengths and work on your weakness. athlete work the crossover to prefection while slower work the jump shot to perfection. you need something to get you to college. if your jumper needs alot of work you better b able to slash your a$$ off. same with jump shooter worry about getting to the hole latter if they want a scholarship.

Jordan game elevated because of pippen he was a beast on d. guess who guarded jordan in practice. jordan was a beast on d who guard pippen in practice they made each other better.

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This is one of the worst posts I have ever read. Do you have any factual evidence to base your opinions? Or are you 15-years old and never got a chance to actually watch MJ play? Did you just say that the players today are more athletic than jordan? And Kobe has more hops than Jordan? And KObe is Jordan's defensive equal? You wreak of fanboyism.

Firstly, Jordan was just as athletic in his prime as the guys of today. Or do you forget MJ dunking from the free throw line, doing the soaring windmill, dunking OVER nearly every center in the league, doing earth-shattering, gravity-defying, hang in the air moves? Do you forget that MJ used to purposely hang in the air longer before he shot so that his defender would land first, sllowing MJ to get an open look?

Also, MJ was one of the best defenders in the league. Kobe's D is not even close to MJ's. You know what? Forget it. Think what you want. I am happy that you are satisfied thinking that Kobe "I scored 11 points in an NBA Finals game" Bryant is the best that ever lived. Everyone else knows the truth.

**immortal** · 06-11-2004, 10:10 AM

Re: How good could Jordan have been?

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hotadef said:
shaq and penny and 3d got swept he could not dominate the dream. Yes kobe is as good as jordan. The same as jordan was as good as dr j. no one want to believe there will be a next great. just as young kids now who never seen jordan prime think kobe is the best and never will be another better.

Jordan imitated dr j as kobe imitated jordan. Kobe is the best comparison to jordan not because his scoring but the love for the game the love of the pressure and the love to play d. jordan was equal in defence as soorer and so is kobe.

Players are much more athletic i believe kobe is jordans equal if not better athleticly i believe vince tmac wade are all more athletic than jordan. kobe and vince more than likely have better hoops. This is some of the reason why scores and shooting percentages are down. player can really move 7ft players can keep up with sg. 6ft 9 plus t.prince put the clamps on iverson.

And the biggest reason why the shooting percentages are down and why no one knocks down the open j is because the gm's are looking for all the physical specimens. There are tons of great shooters in college but they wont get drafted. they are too slow or they may be a defencive liability. like tmac,s not a defencive liability. never mind they can bail out your superstar ie mike having paxson or kerr not the best athletes but can shoot. Its funny as slow as they were i dont remember them being abused on the court. those two little guys took pride in there d

As for kobe needing shaq or shaq needing kobe. dont forget during those loses when shaq was out kobe averaged damn near a triple double. if he did what he did on any other team they would have won. truely the lakers were built around shaq. but the lakers are more dynamic with kobe. They need each other just like jordan needed pippen and pippen needed jordan. dont forget pippen duplicated wins and loses the year jordan retired. they still went to the playoffs with out him. damn the playoffs with out jordan and no center seems to me the bulls team wasnt all jordan the role players were picked for specific talents that maximized the team not just the best athlete that is why scoring went down not all athlete can shoot and not all play d. not all slower athlete can be taken off the dribble consistantly. and the slower athlete usually can shoot because they cant get to the hope. fundamental maximize your strengths and work on your weakness. athlete work the crossover to prefection while slower work the jump shot to perfection. you need something to get you to college. if your jumper needs alot of work you better b able to slash your a$$ off. same with jump shooter worry about getting to the hole latter if they want a scholarship.

Jordan game elevated because of pippen he was a beast on d. guess who guarded jordan in practice. jordan was a beast on d who guard pippen in practice they made each other better.

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This is one of the worst posts I have ever read. Do you have any factual evidence to base your opinions? Or are you 15-years old and never got a chance to actually watch MJ play? Did you just say that the players today are more athletic than jordan? And Kobe has more hops than Jordan? And KObe is Jordan's defensive equal? You wreak of fanboyism.

Firstly, Jordan was just as athletic in his prime as the guys of today. Or do you forget MJ dunking from the free throw line, doing the soaring windmill, dunking OVER nearly every center in the league, doing earth-shattering, gravity-defying, hang in the air moves? Do you forget that MJ used to purposely hang in the air longer before he shot so that his defender would land first, sllowing MJ to get an open look?

Also, MJ was one of the best defenders in the league. Kobe's D is not even close to MJ's. You know what? Forget it. Think what you want. I am happy that you are satisfied thinking that Kobe "I scored 11 points in an NBA Finals game" Bryant is the best that ever lived. Everyone else knows the truth.

**immortal** · 06-11-2004, 10:10 AM

Re: How good could Jordan have been?

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hotadef said:
shaq and penny and 3d got swept he could not dominate the dream. Yes kobe is as good as jordan. The same as jordan was as good as dr j. no one want to believe there will be a next great. just as young kids now who never seen jordan prime think kobe is the best and never will be another better.

Jordan imitated dr j as kobe imitated jordan. Kobe is the best comparison to jordan not because his scoring but the love for the game the love of the pressure and the love to play d. jordan was equal in defence as soorer and so is kobe.

Players are much more athletic i believe kobe is jordans equal if not better athleticly i believe vince tmac wade are all more athletic than jordan. kobe and vince more than likely have better hoops. This is some of the reason why scores and shooting percentages are down. player can really move 7ft players can keep up with sg. 6ft 9 plus t.prince put the clamps on iverson.

And the biggest reason why the shooting percentages are down and why no one knocks down the open j is because the gm's are looking for all the physical specimens. There are tons of great shooters in college but they wont get drafted. they are too slow or they may be a defencive liability. like tmac,s not a defencive liability. never mind they can bail out your superstar ie mike having paxson or kerr not the best athletes but can shoot. Its funny as slow as they were i dont remember them being abused on the court. those two little guys took pride in there d

As for kobe needing shaq or shaq needing kobe. dont forget during those loses when shaq was out kobe averaged damn near a triple double. if he did what he did on any other team they would have won. truely the lakers were built around shaq. but the lakers are more dynamic with kobe. They need each other just like jordan needed pippen and pippen needed jordan. dont forget pippen duplicated wins and loses the year jordan retired. they still went to the playoffs with out him. damn the playoffs with out jordan and no center seems to me the bulls team wasnt all jordan the role players were picked for specific talents that maximized the team not just the best athlete that is why scoring went down not all athlete can shoot and not all play d. not all slower athlete can be taken off the dribble consistantly. and the slower athlete usually can shoot because they cant get to the hope. fundamental maximize your strengths and work on your weakness. athlete work the crossover to prefection while slower work the jump shot to perfection. you need something to get you to college. if your jumper needs alot of work you better b able to slash your a$$ off. same with jump shooter worry about getting to the hole latter if they want a scholarship.

Jordan game elevated because of pippen he was a beast on d. guess who guarded jordan in practice. jordan was a beast on d who guard pippen in practice they made each other better.

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This is one of the worst posts I have ever read. Do you have any factual evidence to base your opinions? Or are you 15-years old and never got a chance to actually watch MJ play? Did you just say that the players today are more athletic than jordan? And Kobe has more hops than Jordan? And KObe is Jordan's defensive equal? You wreak of fanboyism.

Firstly, Jordan was just as athletic in his prime as the guys of today. Or do you forget MJ dunking from the free throw line, doing the soaring windmill, dunking OVER nearly every center in the league, doing earth-shattering, gravity-defying, hang in the air moves? Do you forget that MJ used to purposely hang in the air longer before he shot so that his defender would land first, sllowing MJ to get an open look?

Also, MJ was one of the best defenders in the league. Kobe's D is not even close to MJ's. You know what? Forget it. Think what you want. I am happy that you are satisfied thinking that Kobe "I scored 11 points in an NBA Finals game" Bryant is the best that ever lived. Everyone else knows the truth.

**Programmed2Kill** · 06-11-2004, 10:15 AM

Re: How good could Jordan have been?

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immortal said:
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hotadef said:
shaq and penny and 3d got swept he could not dominate the dream. Yes kobe is as good as jordan. The same as jordan was as good as dr j. no one want to believe there will be a next great. just as young kids now who never seen jordan prime think kobe is the best and never will be another better.

Jordan imitated dr j as kobe imitated jordan. Kobe is the best comparison to jordan not because his scoring but the love for the game the love of the pressure and the love to play d. jordan was equal in defence as soorer and so is kobe.

Players are much more athletic i believe kobe is jordans equal if not better athleticly i believe vince tmac wade are all more athletic than jordan. kobe and vince more than likely have better hoops. This is some of the reason why scores and shooting percentages are down. player can really move 7ft players can keep up with sg. 6ft 9 plus t.prince put the clamps on iverson.

And the biggest reason why the shooting percentages are down and why no one knocks down the open j is because the gm's are looking for all the physical specimens. There are tons of great shooters in college but they wont get drafted. they are too slow or they may be a defencive liability. like tmac,s not a defencive liability. never mind they can bail out your superstar ie mike having paxson or kerr not the best athletes but can shoot. Its funny as slow as they were i dont remember them being abused on the court. those two little guys took pride in there d

As for kobe needing shaq or shaq needing kobe. dont forget during those loses when shaq was out kobe averaged damn near a triple double. if he did what he did on any other team they would have won. truely the lakers were built around shaq. but the lakers are more dynamic with kobe. They need each other just like jordan needed pippen and pippen needed jordan. dont forget pippen duplicated wins and loses the year jordan retired. they still went to the playoffs with out him. damn the playoffs with out jordan and no center seems to me the bulls team wasnt all jordan the role players were picked for specific talents that maximized the team not just the best athlete that is why scoring went down not all athlete can shoot and not all play d. not all slower athlete can be taken off the dribble consistantly. and the slower athlete usually can shoot because they cant get to the hope. fundamental maximize your strengths and work on your weakness. athlete work the crossover to prefection while slower work the jump shot to perfection. you need something to get you to college. if your jumper needs alot of work you better b able to slash your a$$ off. same with jump shooter worry about getting to the hole latter if they want a scholarship.

Jordan game elevated because of pippen he was a beast on d. guess who guarded jordan in practice. jordan was a beast on d who guard pippen in practice they made each other better.

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This is one of the worst posts I have ever read. Do you have any factual evidence to base your opinions? Or are you 15-years old and never got a chance to actually watch MJ play? Did you just say that the players today are more athletic than jordan? And Kobe has more hops than Jordan? And KObe is Jordan's defensive equal? You wreak of fanboyism.

Firstly, Jordan was just as athletic in his prime as the guys of today. Or do you forget MJ dunking from the free throw line, doing the soaring windmill, dunking OVER nearly every center in the league, doing earth-shattering, gravity-defying, hang in the air moves? Do you forget that MJ used to purposely hang in the air longer before he shot so that his defender would land first, sllowing MJ to get an open look?

Also, MJ was one of the best defenders in the league. Kobe's D is not even close to MJ's. You know what? Forget it. Think what you want. I am happy that you are satisfied thinking that Kobe "I scored 11 points in an NBA Finals game" Bryant is the best that ever lived. Everyone else knows the truth.

<hr /></blockquote>

I didn't say anything myself because it just got so re-cot'damn-diculous in here and I read the first few things in that posts and i couldn't refocus my eyes afterwards.

**Programmed2Kill** · 06-11-2004, 10:15 AM

Re: How good could Jordan have been?

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
immortal said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
hotadef said:
shaq and penny and 3d got swept he could not dominate the dream. Yes kobe is as good as jordan. The same as jordan was as good as dr j. no one want to believe there will be a next great. just as young kids now who never seen jordan prime think kobe is the best and never will be another better.

Jordan imitated dr j as kobe imitated jordan. Kobe is the best comparison to jordan not because his scoring but the love for the game the love of the pressure and the love to play d. jordan was equal in defence as soorer and so is kobe.

Players are much more athletic i believe kobe is jordans equal if not better athleticly i believe vince tmac wade are all more athletic than jordan. kobe and vince more than likely have better hoops. This is some of the reason why scores and shooting percentages are down. player can really move 7ft players can keep up with sg. 6ft 9 plus t.prince put the clamps on iverson.

And the biggest reason why the shooting percentages are down and why no one knocks down the open j is because the gm's are looking for all the physical specimens. There are tons of great shooters in college but they wont get drafted. they are too slow or they may be a defencive liability. like tmac,s not a defencive liability. never mind they can bail out your superstar ie mike having paxson or kerr not the best athletes but can shoot. Its funny as slow as they were i dont remember them being abused on the court. those two little guys took pride in there d

As for kobe needing shaq or shaq needing kobe. dont forget during those loses when shaq was out kobe averaged damn near a triple double. if he did what he did on any other team they would have won. truely the lakers were built around shaq. but the lakers are more dynamic with kobe. They need each other just like jordan needed pippen and pippen needed jordan. dont forget pippen duplicated wins and loses the year jordan retired. they still went to the playoffs with out him. damn the playoffs with out jordan and no center seems to me the bulls team wasnt all jordan the role players were picked for specific talents that maximized the team not just the best athlete that is why scoring went down not all athlete can shoot and not all play d. not all slower athlete can be taken off the dribble consistantly. and the slower athlete usually can shoot because they cant get to the hope. fundamental maximize your strengths and work on your weakness. athlete work the crossover to prefection while slower work the jump shot to perfection. you need something to get you to college. if your jumper needs alot of work you better b able to slash your a$$ off. same with jump shooter worry about getting to the hole latter if they want a scholarship.

Jordan game elevated because of pippen he was a beast on d. guess who guarded jordan in practice. jordan was a beast on d who guard pippen in practice they made each other better.

<hr /></blockquote>

This is one of the worst posts I have ever read. Do you have any factual evidence to base your opinions? Or are you 15-years old and never got a chance to actually watch MJ play? Did you just say that the players today are more athletic than jordan? And Kobe has more hops than Jordan? And KObe is Jordan's defensive equal? You wreak of fanboyism.

Firstly, Jordan was just as athletic in his prime as the guys of today. Or do you forget MJ dunking from the free throw line, doing the soaring windmill, dunking OVER nearly every center in the league, doing earth-shattering, gravity-defying, hang in the air moves? Do you forget that MJ used to purposely hang in the air longer before he shot so that his defender would land first, sllowing MJ to get an open look?

Also, MJ was one of the best defenders in the league. Kobe's D is not even close to MJ's. You know what? Forget it. Think what you want. I am happy that you are satisfied thinking that Kobe "I scored 11 points in an NBA Finals game" Bryant is the best that ever lived. Everyone else knows the truth.

<hr /></blockquote>

I didn't say anything myself because it just got so re-cot'damn-diculous in here and I read the first few things in that posts and i couldn't refocus my eyes afterwards.

How good could Jordan have been?

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