How good is Kobe?

**immortal** · 06-09-2004, 01:03 AM

Re: How good is Kobe?

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Jordan's first 3-peat:
PG: John Paxson
SG: Jordan
SF: Scottie Pippen
PF: Horace Grant
C: Bill Cartwright

Kobe's Lakers:
PG: Gary Payton
SG: Kobe
SF: Devean George
PF: Karl Malone
C: Shaq

If I am not mistaken, the ONLY position the Bulls are better (excluding Kobe and MJ) is SF. And Shaq would DOMINATE any player on either team.

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Well that team is better too, but I was really talking about the Tony Kukuc, Dennis Rodman, Steve Kerr, Luc Longley team.

Remember bench, and yes Horace Grant was better than present Malone and Paxson was better than present Payton.

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This is a joke, right?
Horace Grant was a mediocre player AT BEST! Malone averaged 20 ppg and 10 rpg last year.
John Paxson was a 3-point shooter. THAT'S IT!!! He averaged about 7 ppg. Payton can score 20 ppg easily on a team without Kobe or Shaq.

Jordan's bench players in first career: John Salley, Craig Hodges, BJ Armstrong, Pete Myers, Dickie Simpkins, a few other bums.
Kobe's bench players: Derek Fisher, Kareem Rush, Medvedenko, Horace Grant (older), Luke Walton, etc.

I would probably take the Lakers bench.

23 · 06-09-2004, 01:06 AM

Re: How good is Kobe?

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nkhera1 said:
they are both entirely different in different eras. We don't know who is better and we never will because times change. Maybe defense is better now than back then, maybe not, maybe the zone rules affect players more than not having the zone. Also one minus of playing with shaq is that he clogs the lane so its harder to drive and make shots, plus bryant's hands aren't as big as mj's so he can't hold onto the ball as long while in the air.

and btw this years karl malone and gary payton are nowhere near as good as they were in the prime so drop that argument.

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We know who is better. You don't. D is not better now. As I said, give me the Bad Boys Pistons over any team you see now, hands down. Shaq draws attention so Kobe can drive or get open shots. It's good that he can create for himself though. MJ had more hangtime than Kobe has, no matter how big his hands are.

You can discredit KM and GP when it's convenient for you, but they need those guys, or they lose.

23 · 06-09-2004, 01:06 AM

Re: How good is Kobe?

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nkhera1 said:
they are both entirely different in different eras. We don't know who is better and we never will because times change. Maybe defense is better now than back then, maybe not, maybe the zone rules affect players more than not having the zone. Also one minus of playing with shaq is that he clogs the lane so its harder to drive and make shots, plus bryant's hands aren't as big as mj's so he can't hold onto the ball as long while in the air.

and btw this years karl malone and gary payton are nowhere near as good as they were in the prime so drop that argument.

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We know who is better. You don't. D is not better now. As I said, give me the Bad Boys Pistons over any team you see now, hands down. Shaq draws attention so Kobe can drive or get open shots. It's good that he can create for himself though. MJ had more hangtime than Kobe has, no matter how big his hands are.

You can discredit KM and GP when it's convenient for you, but they need those guys, or they lose.

23 · 06-09-2004, 01:06 AM

Re: How good is Kobe?

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nkhera1 said:
they are both entirely different in different eras. We don't know who is better and we never will because times change. Maybe defense is better now than back then, maybe not, maybe the zone rules affect players more than not having the zone. Also one minus of playing with shaq is that he clogs the lane so its harder to drive and make shots, plus bryant's hands aren't as big as mj's so he can't hold onto the ball as long while in the air.

and btw this years karl malone and gary payton are nowhere near as good as they were in the prime so drop that argument.

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We know who is better. You don't. D is not better now. As I said, give me the Bad Boys Pistons over any team you see now, hands down. Shaq draws attention so Kobe can drive or get open shots. It's good that he can create for himself though. MJ had more hangtime than Kobe has, no matter how big his hands are.

You can discredit KM and GP when it's convenient for you, but they need those guys, or they lose.

**immortal** · 06-09-2004, 01:06 AM

Re: How good is Kobe?

Fellas, in my opinion, Kobe IS AT HIS PEAK RIGHT NOW! He is 25 years olds, has been in the league for 8 years, has 3 titles, is at his ideal weight, etc. He isn't going to get much better, guys.

**immortal** · 06-09-2004, 01:06 AM

Re: How good is Kobe?

Fellas, in my opinion, Kobe IS AT HIS PEAK RIGHT NOW! He is 25 years olds, has been in the league for 8 years, has 3 titles, is at his ideal weight, etc. He isn't going to get much better, guys.

**immortal** · 06-09-2004, 01:06 AM

Re: How good is Kobe?

Fellas, in my opinion, Kobe IS AT HIS PEAK RIGHT NOW! He is 25 years olds, has been in the league for 8 years, has 3 titles, is at his ideal weight, etc. He isn't going to get much better, guys.

**SoMiss2000** · 06-09-2004, 01:06 AM

Re: How good is Kobe?

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Exactly, but you made that connection, and you're not the first person to critique my spelling, grammar, etc. You understood what I was trying to say, but you tested me anyway. Get it?

<hr /></blockquote> Yeah, being able to make the connection means i'm not stupid. I know when someone is trying to insult me even when they say they didn't "directly". If you're going to insult me or call me a name, i'd rather you do it directly and not take the cowardly way out. Good nite kiddo.

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The conversation has DRASTICALLY changed paths here.

<hr /></blockquote>yes it has, it's sad that I let him bring me down to his level.

**SoMiss2000** · 06-09-2004, 01:06 AM

Re: How good is Kobe?

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SoMiss2000 said:
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Exactly, but you made that connection, and you're not the first person to critique my spelling, grammar, etc. You understood what I was trying to say, but you tested me anyway. Get it?

<hr /></blockquote> Yeah, being able to make the connection means i'm not stupid. I know when someone is trying to insult me even when they say they didn't "directly". If you're going to insult me or call me a name, i'd rather you do it directly and not take the cowardly way out. Good nite kiddo.

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The conversation has DRASTICALLY changed paths here.

<hr /></blockquote>yes it has, it's sad that I let him bring me down to his level.

**SoMiss2000** · 06-09-2004, 01:06 AM

Re: How good is Kobe?

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Dynasty4Kobe said:
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SoMiss2000 said:
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Exactly, but you made that connection, and you're not the first person to critique my spelling, grammar, etc. You understood what I was trying to say, but you tested me anyway. Get it?

<hr /></blockquote> Yeah, being able to make the connection means i'm not stupid. I know when someone is trying to insult me even when they say they didn't "directly". If you're going to insult me or call me a name, i'd rather you do it directly and not take the cowardly way out. Good nite kiddo.

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The conversation has DRASTICALLY changed paths here.

<hr /></blockquote>yes it has, it's sad that I let him bring me down to his level.

**Leon** · 06-09-2004, 01:07 AM

Re: How good is Kobe?

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Leon said:
It's their opinion to agree with him, why are you saying they just want to disagree with you? Also, I think that '94 team can beat this current Laker team without Kobe but in a series, I think the Lakers edge them out. Why? Shaq.

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Yea, I can see Shaq hitting all those freethrows and the rest of those guys taking the bulls of the dribble and knocking down the open shot. By the way, Luke Walton is the first Laker besides Kobe I've seen take guys off the dribble in the playoffs this year.

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Who's to say they would foul Shaq? Either way, we're going off-topic.

Oh wait, we already are.

**Leon** · 06-09-2004, 01:07 AM

Re: How good is Kobe?

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LedouxRoc said:
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Leon said:
It's their opinion to agree with him, why are you saying they just want to disagree with you? Also, I think that '94 team can beat this current Laker team without Kobe but in a series, I think the Lakers edge them out. Why? Shaq.

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Yea, I can see Shaq hitting all those freethrows and the rest of those guys taking the bulls of the dribble and knocking down the open shot. By the way, Luke Walton is the first Laker besides Kobe I've seen take guys off the dribble in the playoffs this year.

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Who's to say they would foul Shaq? Either way, we're going off-topic.

Oh wait, we already are.

**Leon** · 06-09-2004, 01:07 AM

Re: How good is Kobe?

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LedouxRoc said:
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Leon said:
It's their opinion to agree with him, why are you saying they just want to disagree with you? Also, I think that '94 team can beat this current Laker team without Kobe but in a series, I think the Lakers edge them out. Why? Shaq.

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Yea, I can see Shaq hitting all those freethrows and the rest of those guys taking the bulls of the dribble and knocking down the open shot. By the way, Luke Walton is the first Laker besides Kobe I've seen take guys off the dribble in the playoffs this year.

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Who's to say they would foul Shaq? Either way, we're going off-topic.

Oh wait, we already are.

**nkhera1** · 06-09-2004, 01:08 AM

Re: How good is Kobe?

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KDRE said:
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nkhera1 said:
they are both entirely different in different eras. We don't know who is better and we never will because times change. Maybe defense is better now than back then, maybe not, maybe the zone rules affect players more than not having the zone. Also one minus of playing with shaq is that he clogs the lane so its harder to drive and make shots, plus bryant's hands aren't as big as mj's so he can't hold onto the ball as long while in the air.

and btw this years karl malone and gary payton are nowhere near as good as they were in the prime so drop that argument.

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We know who is better. You don't. D is not better now. As I said, give me the Bad Boys Pistons over any team you see now, hands down. Shaq draws attention so Kobe can drive or get open shots. It's good that he can create for himself though. MJ had more hangtime than Kobe has, no matter how big his hands are.

You can discredit KM and GP when it's convenient for you, but they need those guys, or they lose.

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no actually we don't know, back then it seems to me that more people were good at basketball, but these days it seems like there are better athletes in this game. And yeah km and gp helped but they are nowhere near as good as before, and i hope you know that as well.

**nkhera1** · 06-09-2004, 01:08 AM

Re: How good is Kobe?

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KDRE said:
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nkhera1 said:
they are both entirely different in different eras. We don't know who is better and we never will because times change. Maybe defense is better now than back then, maybe not, maybe the zone rules affect players more than not having the zone. Also one minus of playing with shaq is that he clogs the lane so its harder to drive and make shots, plus bryant's hands aren't as big as mj's so he can't hold onto the ball as long while in the air.

and btw this years karl malone and gary payton are nowhere near as good as they were in the prime so drop that argument.

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We know who is better. You don't. D is not better now. As I said, give me the Bad Boys Pistons over any team you see now, hands down. Shaq draws attention so Kobe can drive or get open shots. It's good that he can create for himself though. MJ had more hangtime than Kobe has, no matter how big his hands are.

You can discredit KM and GP when it's convenient for you, but they need those guys, or they lose.

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no actually we don't know, back then it seems to me that more people were good at basketball, but these days it seems like there are better athletes in this game. And yeah km and gp helped but they are nowhere near as good as before, and i hope you know that as well.

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