How good is Kobe?

23 · 06-08-2004, 11:48 PM

Re: How good is Kobe?

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GeePee20 said:
Ok I have really only read the first couple posts in this thread, but you all really need to lighten up. No one is saying Kobe = MJ. Kobe isn't near MJ. BUT, you can't deny all the clutch shots Kobe has made no matter how big of a ***** you are. MJ made big shots. Kobe makes big shots. Seriously, when was the last time the game was on the line and Kobe missed the shot? Doc Rivers would probably agree with me when I say Kobe is no where near Jordan in accomplishments but in terms of making clutch shots, Kobe is right up there with Jordan. Don't let your hate blind you from his greatness!

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People are saying that GeePee. I have gave Kobe props for his game. People don't see that because I say he's no MJ and I like Mac that's all. Doc Rivers was saying over and over that he is just like MJ.

He has hit some clutch shots, noone can take that away, but he still has Shaq eclipsing his "greatness"

**SoMiss2000** · 06-08-2004, 11:50 PM

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would really like to see how Kobe does with his OWN team and not surrounded by legends or even sharing the spotlight with arguably the most dominant center since Bill Russell.

<hr /></blockquote> Then he'd be even more like Jordan in his early years.

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Maybe so but remember Jordan didn't have legends surrounding him (at least in the first 3 championships) sure he had Pippen but we all know that Pippen was made better by having Jordan with him. Just look at his career after playing with MJ.

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Pippen was a great player, and it is unfair to say that Pippen fell off after Jordan left because he didn't in 1994, and after 1998, Pippen was already old. The Bulls won 55 games in 1994 without Jordan, and lost in the 2nd round in seven games. If his support cast was so terrible, they wouldn't have been able to do this. The players that Jordan played with (Pippen, Ho Grant, Paxon, Armstrong, Kerr, Harper, Rodman, Kukoc) are vastly underrated in terms of what they meant to the team. If you actually watch old Bulls games, Jordan was incredible but his teammates were not scrubs. I don't know why all the Kobe haters want to make it seem like he isn't even close to Jordan...of course he is. While I'd still say Jordan is better, Kobe is very close, and one day might even be better. Open your eyes, Kobe is insane.

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Then Kobe is better than Magic? Yea right. It's the Kobe fans that keep bringing up the 25 yrs old comparisions. MJ didn't have all of those guys. Kobe can't get the respect you're talking about until the 400lb thing in the middle is gone.

<hr /></blockquote>KDRE, tell me where someone was trying to compare Kobe and MJ at 25? Go back and read the first post. I said at only 25...NOW...can he be on the same level at 28.

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Bro, not you, but other Kobe fans here, and on tv, radio. I was saying it because they are on tv right now here in LA saying KG shouldn't have got the MVP it should be Kobe's and now Kobe is MJ. It's a riot bro because the licking is on. Nobody said all of this mess when he went 10-27 the last game.

<hr /></blockquote>If that's the case, then the thread went severely off-topic with all the supporting cast junk that was introduced. i've learned my lesson, never start a thread in the Basketball forums.

**SoMiss2000** · 06-08-2004, 11:50 PM

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would really like to see how Kobe does with his OWN team and not surrounded by legends or even sharing the spotlight with arguably the most dominant center since Bill Russell.

<hr /></blockquote> Then he'd be even more like Jordan in his early years.

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Maybe so but remember Jordan didn't have legends surrounding him (at least in the first 3 championships) sure he had Pippen but we all know that Pippen was made better by having Jordan with him. Just look at his career after playing with MJ.

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Pippen was a great player, and it is unfair to say that Pippen fell off after Jordan left because he didn't in 1994, and after 1998, Pippen was already old. The Bulls won 55 games in 1994 without Jordan, and lost in the 2nd round in seven games. If his support cast was so terrible, they wouldn't have been able to do this. The players that Jordan played with (Pippen, Ho Grant, Paxon, Armstrong, Kerr, Harper, Rodman, Kukoc) are vastly underrated in terms of what they meant to the team. If you actually watch old Bulls games, Jordan was incredible but his teammates were not scrubs. I don't know why all the Kobe haters want to make it seem like he isn't even close to Jordan...of course he is. While I'd still say Jordan is better, Kobe is very close, and one day might even be better. Open your eyes, Kobe is insane.

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Then Kobe is better than Magic? Yea right. It's the Kobe fans that keep bringing up the 25 yrs old comparisions. MJ didn't have all of those guys. Kobe can't get the respect you're talking about until the 400lb thing in the middle is gone.

<hr /></blockquote>KDRE, tell me where someone was trying to compare Kobe and MJ at 25? Go back and read the first post. I said at only 25...NOW...can he be on the same level at 28.

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Bro, not you, but other Kobe fans here, and on tv, radio. I was saying it because they are on tv right now here in LA saying KG shouldn't have got the MVP it should be Kobe's and now Kobe is MJ. It's a riot bro because the licking is on. Nobody said all of this mess when he went 10-27 the last game.

<hr /></blockquote>If that's the case, then the thread went severely off-topic with all the supporting cast junk that was introduced. i've learned my lesson, never start a thread in the Basketball forums.

**SoMiss2000** · 06-08-2004, 11:50 PM

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would really like to see how Kobe does with his OWN team and not surrounded by legends or even sharing the spotlight with arguably the most dominant center since Bill Russell.

<hr /></blockquote> Then he'd be even more like Jordan in his early years.

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Maybe so but remember Jordan didn't have legends surrounding him (at least in the first 3 championships) sure he had Pippen but we all know that Pippen was made better by having Jordan with him. Just look at his career after playing with MJ.

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Pippen was a great player, and it is unfair to say that Pippen fell off after Jordan left because he didn't in 1994, and after 1998, Pippen was already old. The Bulls won 55 games in 1994 without Jordan, and lost in the 2nd round in seven games. If his support cast was so terrible, they wouldn't have been able to do this. The players that Jordan played with (Pippen, Ho Grant, Paxon, Armstrong, Kerr, Harper, Rodman, Kukoc) are vastly underrated in terms of what they meant to the team. If you actually watch old Bulls games, Jordan was incredible but his teammates were not scrubs. I don't know why all the Kobe haters want to make it seem like he isn't even close to Jordan...of course he is. While I'd still say Jordan is better, Kobe is very close, and one day might even be better. Open your eyes, Kobe is insane.

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Then Kobe is better than Magic? Yea right. It's the Kobe fans that keep bringing up the 25 yrs old comparisions. MJ didn't have all of those guys. Kobe can't get the respect you're talking about until the 400lb thing in the middle is gone.

<hr /></blockquote>KDRE, tell me where someone was trying to compare Kobe and MJ at 25? Go back and read the first post. I said at only 25...NOW...can he be on the same level at 28.

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Bro, not you, but other Kobe fans here, and on tv, radio. I was saying it because they are on tv right now here in LA saying KG shouldn't have got the MVP it should be Kobe's and now Kobe is MJ. It's a riot bro because the licking is on. Nobody said all of this mess when he went 10-27 the last game.

<hr /></blockquote>If that's the case, then the thread went severely off-topic with all the supporting cast junk that was introduced. i've learned my lesson, never start a thread in the Basketball forums.

**Flyboy** · 06-08-2004, 11:50 PM

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I don't see how clutch shots make Kobe better than McGrady.

**Flyboy** · 06-08-2004, 11:50 PM

Re: How good is Kobe?

I don't see how clutch shots make Kobe better than McGrady.

**Flyboy** · 06-08-2004, 11:50 PM

Re: How good is Kobe?

I don't see how clutch shots make Kobe better than McGrady.

**jordan0386** · 06-08-2004, 11:50 PM

Re: How good is Kobe?

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but he still has Shaq eclipsing his "greatness"

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thats b/c you want that to limit your views on him

just look at the body of work

one more thing, which other player of this era had 9 straight 40 pt games...ohh...yeaa

**jordan0386** · 06-08-2004, 11:50 PM

Re: How good is Kobe?

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but he still has Shaq eclipsing his "greatness"

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thats b/c you want that to limit your views on him

just look at the body of work

one more thing, which other player of this era had 9 straight 40 pt games...ohh...yeaa

**jordan0386** · 06-08-2004, 11:50 PM

Re: How good is Kobe?

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but he still has Shaq eclipsing his "greatness"

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thats b/c you want that to limit your views on him

just look at the body of work

one more thing, which other player of this era had 9 straight 40 pt games...ohh...yeaa

23 · 06-08-2004, 11:50 PM

Re: How good is Kobe?

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EWRMETS said:
KDre, as if Jordan never had bad games?

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Didn't say that bro, but where was this thread when the last game was played? Doc wasn't licking his chops then like he was tonight either. MJ did his thing under constant double and triple teams.

23 · 06-08-2004, 11:50 PM

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EWRMETS said:
KDre, as if Jordan never had bad games?

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Didn't say that bro, but where was this thread when the last game was played? Doc wasn't licking his chops then like he was tonight either. MJ did his thing under constant double and triple teams.

23 · 06-08-2004, 11:50 PM

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EWRMETS said:
KDre, as if Jordan never had bad games?

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Didn't say that bro, but where was this thread when the last game was played? Doc wasn't licking his chops then like he was tonight either. MJ did his thing under constant double and triple teams.

**nkhera1** · 06-08-2004, 11:51 PM

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noa999 said:
I'll start it again: He has Shaq... oh, and two other hall-of-famers.

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yeah how many points did the two other hall-of-famers score?

oh right 11.

**nkhera1** · 06-08-2004, 11:51 PM

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noa999 said:
I'll start it again: He has Shaq... oh, and two other hall-of-famers.

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yeah how many points did the two other hall-of-famers score?

oh right 11.

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