How good is Kobe?

**RubenDouglas** · 06-08-2004, 11:32 PM

Re: How good is Kobe?

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slymm21 said:
When Kobe gets in his "zone" he's right behind Jordan. But taking in account the wild shots, and selfishness that he sometimes exhibits i'd put him a little below Bird.

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So when PP, Tmac BD get in the zone they are unstoppable too

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They may be in a zone but they aren't doing this almost 25% of the time in big game time situations, in other words "clutch"

**SoMiss2000** · 06-08-2004, 11:33 PM

Re: How good is Kobe?

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would really like to see how Kobe does with his OWN team and not surrounded by legends or even sharing the spotlight with arguably the most dominant center since Bill Russell.

<hr /></blockquote> Then he'd be even more like Jordan in his early years.

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Maybe so but remember Jordan didn't have legends surrounding him (at least in the first 3 championships) sure he had Pippen but we all know that Pippen was made better by having Jordan with him. Just look at his career after playing with MJ.

<hr /></blockquote>Kobe only had Shaq for the first 3 rings with a nice supporting cast. Jordan had Pippen and a very good comparable supporting cast.

All I wanted is for some non-biased people give an objective opinion of how good this guy is and can he be on the same level of MJ by the time he reaches his prime. IMO, he's a very good player. Who cares about supporting casts, legends, etc. I'm not judging just by tonite. I'm looking at the entire playoffs. Guy gets out of court, flys to LA or wherever and drops 40.

**SoMiss2000** · 06-08-2004, 11:33 PM

Re: How good is Kobe?

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SportsmanTO said:
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SoMiss2000 said:
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would really like to see how Kobe does with his OWN team and not surrounded by legends or even sharing the spotlight with arguably the most dominant center since Bill Russell.

<hr /></blockquote> Then he'd be even more like Jordan in his early years.

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Maybe so but remember Jordan didn't have legends surrounding him (at least in the first 3 championships) sure he had Pippen but we all know that Pippen was made better by having Jordan with him. Just look at his career after playing with MJ.

<hr /></blockquote>Kobe only had Shaq for the first 3 rings with a nice supporting cast. Jordan had Pippen and a very good comparable supporting cast.

All I wanted is for some non-biased people give an objective opinion of how good this guy is and can he be on the same level of MJ by the time he reaches his prime. IMO, he's a very good player. Who cares about supporting casts, legends, etc. I'm not judging just by tonite. I'm looking at the entire playoffs. Guy gets out of court, flys to LA or wherever and drops 40.

**SoMiss2000** · 06-08-2004, 11:33 PM

Re: How good is Kobe?

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SportsmanTO said:
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SoMiss2000 said:
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would really like to see how Kobe does with his OWN team and not surrounded by legends or even sharing the spotlight with arguably the most dominant center since Bill Russell.

<hr /></blockquote> Then he'd be even more like Jordan in his early years.

<hr /></blockquote>

Maybe so but remember Jordan didn't have legends surrounding him (at least in the first 3 championships) sure he had Pippen but we all know that Pippen was made better by having Jordan with him. Just look at his career after playing with MJ.

<hr /></blockquote>Kobe only had Shaq for the first 3 rings with a nice supporting cast. Jordan had Pippen and a very good comparable supporting cast.

All I wanted is for some non-biased people give an objective opinion of how good this guy is and can he be on the same level of MJ by the time he reaches his prime. IMO, he's a very good player. Who cares about supporting casts, legends, etc. I'm not judging just by tonite. I'm looking at the entire playoffs. Guy gets out of court, flys to LA or wherever and drops 40.

**chrisko** · 06-08-2004, 11:35 PM

Re: How good is Kobe?

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jordan0386 said:
everybody can hate...but you all know he is a DAMN GOOD PLAYER

i dont understand why none of yall give him the respect he deserves...flat out gamer and winner.... oh, and for the jordan comparisons, yea they can be put on the back burner

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well said there, i just cant agree the best 2 in the league thing. Im a T-Mac kinda guy, but T-Mac couldnt lead his team to a better record than THAT in the sad-sorry east? That leaves teh argument open for me.

**chrisko** · 06-08-2004, 11:35 PM

Re: How good is Kobe?

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jordan0386 said:
everybody can hate...but you all know he is a DAMN GOOD PLAYER

i dont understand why none of yall give him the respect he deserves...flat out gamer and winner.... oh, and for the jordan comparisons, yea they can be put on the back burner

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well said there, i just cant agree the best 2 in the league thing. Im a T-Mac kinda guy, but T-Mac couldnt lead his team to a better record than THAT in the sad-sorry east? That leaves teh argument open for me.

**chrisko** · 06-08-2004, 11:35 PM

Re: How good is Kobe?

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jordan0386 said:
everybody can hate...but you all know he is a DAMN GOOD PLAYER

i dont understand why none of yall give him the respect he deserves...flat out gamer and winner.... oh, and for the jordan comparisons, yea they can be put on the back burner

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well said there, i just cant agree the best 2 in the league thing. Im a T-Mac kinda guy, but T-Mac couldnt lead his team to a better record than THAT in the sad-sorry east? That leaves teh argument open for me.

**noa999** · 06-08-2004, 11:35 PM

Re: How good is Kobe?

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WallyHoppIII said:
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KDRE said:
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slymm21 said:
When Kobe gets in his "zone" he's right behind Jordan. But taking in account the wild shots, and selfishness that he sometimes exhibits i'd put him a little below Bird.

<hr /></blockquote>

So when PP, Tmac BD get in the zone they are unstoppable too

<hr /></blockquote>

They may be in a zone but they aren't doing this almost 25% of the time in big game time situations, in other words "clutch"

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They're being triple teamed; can't do that to Kobe.

**noa999** · 06-08-2004, 11:35 PM

Re: How good is Kobe?

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WallyHoppIII said:
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KDRE said:
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slymm21 said:
When Kobe gets in his "zone" he's right behind Jordan. But taking in account the wild shots, and selfishness that he sometimes exhibits i'd put him a little below Bird.

<hr /></blockquote>

So when PP, Tmac BD get in the zone they are unstoppable too

<hr /></blockquote>

They may be in a zone but they aren't doing this almost 25% of the time in big game time situations, in other words "clutch"

<hr /></blockquote>

They're being triple teamed; can't do that to Kobe.

**noa999** · 06-08-2004, 11:35 PM

Re: How good is Kobe?

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WallyHoppIII said:
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KDRE said:
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slymm21 said:
When Kobe gets in his "zone" he's right behind Jordan. But taking in account the wild shots, and selfishness that he sometimes exhibits i'd put him a little below Bird.

<hr /></blockquote>

So when PP, Tmac BD get in the zone they are unstoppable too

<hr /></blockquote>

They may be in a zone but they aren't doing this almost 25% of the time in big game time situations, in other words "clutch"

<hr /></blockquote>

They're being triple teamed; can't do that to Kobe.

23 · 06-08-2004, 11:36 PM

Re: How good is Kobe?

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WallyHoppIII said:
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KDRE said:
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slymm21 said:
When Kobe gets in his "zone" he's right behind Jordan. But taking in account the wild shots, and selfishness that he sometimes exhibits i'd put him a little below Bird.

<hr /></blockquote>

So when PP, Tmac BD get in the zone they are unstoppable too

<hr /></blockquote>

They may be in a zone but they aren't doing this almost 25% of the time in big game time situations, in other words "clutch"

<hr /></blockquote>

BD has been the only one with a team to be able to perform like such. PP and Mac are alone. They can't perform in the clutch when they have to carry the whole load and can't be put in those situations.

23 · 06-08-2004, 11:36 PM

Re: How good is Kobe?

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WallyHoppIII said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
KDRE said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
slymm21 said:
When Kobe gets in his "zone" he's right behind Jordan. But taking in account the wild shots, and selfishness that he sometimes exhibits i'd put him a little below Bird.

<hr /></blockquote>

So when PP, Tmac BD get in the zone they are unstoppable too

<hr /></blockquote>

They may be in a zone but they aren't doing this almost 25% of the time in big game time situations, in other words "clutch"

<hr /></blockquote>

BD has been the only one with a team to be able to perform like such. PP and Mac are alone. They can't perform in the clutch when they have to carry the whole load and can't be put in those situations.

23 · 06-08-2004, 11:36 PM

Re: How good is Kobe?

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
WallyHoppIII said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
KDRE said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
slymm21 said:
When Kobe gets in his "zone" he's right behind Jordan. But taking in account the wild shots, and selfishness that he sometimes exhibits i'd put him a little below Bird.

<hr /></blockquote>

So when PP, Tmac BD get in the zone they are unstoppable too

<hr /></blockquote>

They may be in a zone but they aren't doing this almost 25% of the time in big game time situations, in other words "clutch"

<hr /></blockquote>

BD has been the only one with a team to be able to perform like such. PP and Mac are alone. They can't perform in the clutch when they have to carry the whole load and can't be put in those situations.

**SoMiss2000** · 06-08-2004, 11:36 PM

Re: How good is Kobe?

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KDRE said:
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WallyHoppIII said:
The funny thing is, kobe got himself in this situation (being a sidekick to shaq) when he didnt want to play for lowely Charlotte and wanted to be traded to play for a big market team.

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Without Shaq, he'd be having more games like he did Sunday

<hr /></blockquote>so without shaq, you don't think he could put up 30 per game over the course of a season win or lose? since he has shaq, I guess he can't be considered a great player yet. Maybe I should have left MJ out of the equation.

**SoMiss2000** · 06-08-2004, 11:36 PM

Re: How good is Kobe?

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KDRE said:
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WallyHoppIII said:
The funny thing is, kobe got himself in this situation (being a sidekick to shaq) when he didnt want to play for lowely Charlotte and wanted to be traded to play for a big market team.

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Without Shaq, he'd be having more games like he did Sunday

<hr /></blockquote>so without shaq, you don't think he could put up 30 per game over the course of a season win or lose? since he has shaq, I guess he can't be considered a great player yet. Maybe I should have left MJ out of the equation.

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