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**Sarah** · 06-14-2004, 09:42 PM

Re: More Dominating Player: Shaq or MJ?

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MartinDihigo said:
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jmood88 said:
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MartinDihigo said:
its not figure skating so all that is unnecessary

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What the hel does ice skating have to do with anything?

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figure skating is subjective. It is judged on the grace and form of the competitors.

Basketball is objective. The team with the most points wins.

your assesment of Shaq implies that shooting near 60% 22points 13.5rebounds 3 blocks 2.5 assists in the playoffs this year can somehow be belittled by irrelevant complaints about technique or physical advantage.

basically subjective vs objective .

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I am a dummy so basically you can understand that I was picturing Shaq doing figure skating on your post.

Honestly, I have no idea what you are saying.

**Muzyk23** · 06-15-2004, 06:33 AM

Re: More Dominating Player: Shaq or MJ?

First of all, it's hard to compare a center to a guard. MJ was a complete player, Shaq isn't, but he maybe doesn't have to. All he has to do is to wait in the paint for the pass, he's a bad defender, and is mostly feared because of his size. MJ was feared because of his unbelievable talent and full array of skills, always took the last shot, was a great defender. For me it's not even close. MJ loved the game, Shaq sometimes looks like he's come to work he doesn't like and is fed up with..

**Muzyk23** · 06-15-2004, 06:33 AM

Re: More Dominating Player: Shaq or MJ?

First of all, it's hard to compare a center to a guard. MJ was a complete player, Shaq isn't, but he maybe doesn't have to. All he has to do is to wait in the paint for the pass, he's a bad defender, and is mostly feared because of his size. MJ was feared because of his unbelievable talent and full array of skills, always took the last shot, was a great defender. For me it's not even close. MJ loved the game, Shaq sometimes looks like he's come to work he doesn't like and is fed up with..

**Muzyk23** · 06-15-2004, 06:33 AM

Re: More Dominating Player: Shaq or MJ?

First of all, it's hard to compare a center to a guard. MJ was a complete player, Shaq isn't, but he maybe doesn't have to. All he has to do is to wait in the paint for the pass, he's a bad defender, and is mostly feared because of his size. MJ was feared because of his unbelievable talent and full array of skills, always took the last shot, was a great defender. For me it's not even close. MJ loved the game, Shaq sometimes looks like he's come to work he doesn't like and is fed up with..

**MartinDihigo** · 06-15-2004, 12:42 PM

Re: More Dominating Player: Shaq or MJ?

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Muzyk23 said:"Shaq sometimes looks like he's come to work he doesn't like and is fed up with..

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lol thats a good discription: Shaq does look like a disgruntled employee sometimes, especiall the end of these games vs pistons

**MartinDihigo** · 06-15-2004, 12:42 PM

Re: More Dominating Player: Shaq or MJ?

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Muzyk23 said:"Shaq sometimes looks like he's come to work he doesn't like and is fed up with..

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lol thats a good discription: Shaq does look like a disgruntled employee sometimes, especiall the end of these games vs pistons

**MartinDihigo** · 06-15-2004, 12:42 PM

Re: More Dominating Player: Shaq or MJ?

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Muzyk23 said:"Shaq sometimes looks like he's come to work he doesn't like and is fed up with..

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lol thats a good discription: Shaq does look like a disgruntled employee sometimes, especiall the end of these games vs pistons

**NumberOneRB** · 06-15-2004, 12:49 PM

Re: More Dominating Player: Shaq or MJ?

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KDRE said:
MJ. Why would you need to think about it. MJ simply was smarter and had more skills. Shaq is just 400lbs. There are no more real centers in the game anymore. When Hakeem was in, Shaq was owned. Jordan was never owned. He was the owner.

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I agree with KDRE here. Shaq is a dominating player but definately but Michael Jordan was never shut down in the playoffs like Shaq was against Hakeem and the Rockets.

I wuold like to say this for the last time-enough compare player threads. I sick of them already Kobe vs Mj, Shaq vs MJ, Lebron vs MJ. Will the carnage ever end?

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That's also because there was no one like MJ when he played. You can't name one guard that was equal to MJ. Hakeem can be considered as the greatest all around center in NBA history. When Shaq first played Hakeem in the playoffs, wasn't Shaq in his rookie or second year? Can't remember, but I know he wasn't in the league that long when he played Hakeem. I'd hope that Shaq would get owned by a hall of fame center while Shaq was in his first couple of years. You can't even compare that. MJ had no equal, maybe Magic or Bird but they were in their later years. So you can't really use the whole "Shaq got owned by Hakeem" in this instance.

**NumberOneRB** · 06-15-2004, 12:49 PM

Re: More Dominating Player: Shaq or MJ?

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49ersrule23 said:
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KDRE said:
MJ. Why would you need to think about it. MJ simply was smarter and had more skills. Shaq is just 400lbs. There are no more real centers in the game anymore. When Hakeem was in, Shaq was owned. Jordan was never owned. He was the owner.

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I agree with KDRE here. Shaq is a dominating player but definately but Michael Jordan was never shut down in the playoffs like Shaq was against Hakeem and the Rockets.

I wuold like to say this for the last time-enough compare player threads. I sick of them already Kobe vs Mj, Shaq vs MJ, Lebron vs MJ. Will the carnage ever end?

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That's also because there was no one like MJ when he played. You can't name one guard that was equal to MJ. Hakeem can be considered as the greatest all around center in NBA history. When Shaq first played Hakeem in the playoffs, wasn't Shaq in his rookie or second year? Can't remember, but I know he wasn't in the league that long when he played Hakeem. I'd hope that Shaq would get owned by a hall of fame center while Shaq was in his first couple of years. You can't even compare that. MJ had no equal, maybe Magic or Bird but they were in their later years. So you can't really use the whole "Shaq got owned by Hakeem" in this instance.

**NumberOneRB** · 06-15-2004, 12:49 PM

Re: More Dominating Player: Shaq or MJ?

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49ersrule23 said:
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KDRE said:
MJ. Why would you need to think about it. MJ simply was smarter and had more skills. Shaq is just 400lbs. There are no more real centers in the game anymore. When Hakeem was in, Shaq was owned. Jordan was never owned. He was the owner.

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I agree with KDRE here. Shaq is a dominating player but definately but Michael Jordan was never shut down in the playoffs like Shaq was against Hakeem and the Rockets.

I wuold like to say this for the last time-enough compare player threads. I sick of them already Kobe vs Mj, Shaq vs MJ, Lebron vs MJ. Will the carnage ever end?

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That's also because there was no one like MJ when he played. You can't name one guard that was equal to MJ. Hakeem can be considered as the greatest all around center in NBA history. When Shaq first played Hakeem in the playoffs, wasn't Shaq in his rookie or second year? Can't remember, but I know he wasn't in the league that long when he played Hakeem. I'd hope that Shaq would get owned by a hall of fame center while Shaq was in his first couple of years. You can't even compare that. MJ had no equal, maybe Magic or Bird but they were in their later years. So you can't really use the whole "Shaq got owned by Hakeem" in this instance.

**Sarah** · 06-15-2004, 12:49 PM

Re: More Dominating Player: Shaq or MJ?

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MartinDihigo said:
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Muzyk23 said:"Shaq sometimes looks like he's come to work he doesn't like and is fed up with..

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lol thats a good discription: Shaq does look like a disgruntled employee sometimes, especiall the end of these games vs pistons

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Maybe it has something to do with his issue with Kobe. He has no control over the team with Kobe doing things his own way. But that's how I see it. And I agree Shaq does looks like a person who came there to work, clock in then can't wait to clock out.

Kind of uhm, like me with my current job.

**Sarah** · 06-15-2004, 12:49 PM

Re: More Dominating Player: Shaq or MJ?

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MartinDihigo said:
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Muzyk23 said:"Shaq sometimes looks like he's come to work he doesn't like and is fed up with..

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lol thats a good discription: Shaq does look like a disgruntled employee sometimes, especiall the end of these games vs pistons

<hr /></blockquote>

Maybe it has something to do with his issue with Kobe. He has no control over the team with Kobe doing things his own way. But that's how I see it. And I agree Shaq does looks like a person who came there to work, clock in then can't wait to clock out.

Kind of uhm, like me with my current job.

**Sarah** · 06-15-2004, 12:49 PM

Re: More Dominating Player: Shaq or MJ?

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MartinDihigo said:
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Muzyk23 said:"Shaq sometimes looks like he's come to work he doesn't like and is fed up with..

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lol thats a good discription: Shaq does look like a disgruntled employee sometimes, especiall the end of these games vs pistons

<hr /></blockquote>

Maybe it has something to do with his issue with Kobe. He has no control over the team with Kobe doing things his own way. But that's how I see it. And I agree Shaq does looks like a person who came there to work, clock in then can't wait to clock out.

Kind of uhm, like me with my current job.

**NumberOneRB** · 06-15-2004, 12:54 PM

Re: More Dominating Player: Shaq or MJ?

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Muzyk23 said:
First of all, it's hard to compare a center to a guard. MJ was a complete player, Shaq isn't, but he maybe doesn't have to. All he has to do is to wait in the paint for the pass, he's a bad defender, and is mostly feared because of his size. MJ was feared because of his unbelievable talent and full array of skills, always took the last shot, was a great defender. For me it's not even close. MJ loved the game, Shaq sometimes looks like he's come to work he doesn't like and is fed up with..

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If you were the number one player on your team like Shaq is and you weren't getting the ball. You'd be disgruntled too! MJ had the ball in his hands %99.9 of the time when he played. Shaq has times were the Lakers just won't give him the ball for an extended period of time. Game 4 was a good example against the Pistons. Shaq had 30+ pts and 20 rebounds, he was hot! But then by the 4th quarter, he didnt' touch it at all. Now think, the way Jordan's mentality is, how pissed off he would be if he didn't get the ball for a short period of time (I dont' even want to think about it!).

**NumberOneRB** · 06-15-2004, 12:54 PM

Re: More Dominating Player: Shaq or MJ?

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Muzyk23 said:
First of all, it's hard to compare a center to a guard. MJ was a complete player, Shaq isn't, but he maybe doesn't have to. All he has to do is to wait in the paint for the pass, he's a bad defender, and is mostly feared because of his size. MJ was feared because of his unbelievable talent and full array of skills, always took the last shot, was a great defender. For me it's not even close. MJ loved the game, Shaq sometimes looks like he's come to work he doesn't like and is fed up with..

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If you were the number one player on your team like Shaq is and you weren't getting the ball. You'd be disgruntled too! MJ had the ball in his hands %99.9 of the time when he played. Shaq has times were the Lakers just won't give him the ball for an extended period of time. Game 4 was a good example against the Pistons. Shaq had 30+ pts and 20 rebounds, he was hot! But then by the 4th quarter, he didnt' touch it at all. Now think, the way Jordan's mentality is, how pissed off he would be if he didn't get the ball for a short period of time (I dont' even want to think about it!).

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