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  • PdiddyPop
    K*ngs *f th* D*nc*!
    • Dec 2002
    • 21768

    #91
    Re: Bulls had the best draft....

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    soxboy7 said:
    I don't understand why Deng is considered a project. The guy was a beast on Duke and had to be game planned against every game. Now he is a project and has no game? I don't know, he was impressive every time I saw him

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    the only reason hes a "project" is because hes from duke. the only reason everyone makes a big deal about duke being busts is because umm lets see they have put out since 85 23 first rd draft picks 2nd only to zona which has had 24. of course there will be a radar on everyone of them. Yes, you can cite the whole litany of rough breaks that have happened -- Bobby Hurley's car accident, Grant Hill's health problems, Jay Williams' motorcycle accident. But when you take the frequency of incidents like that against the sheer numbers of players Duke has sent to the NBA, I don't think the statistical frequency is any greater than that of most any other school with alumni in the pros. What I do think is that the public's familiarity with Duke teams in the Coach K-Internet-ESPN era has become so great that it magnifies everything any Duke player does in the NBA. Any student-athlete who is accepted into that program knows that at least 27 or 28 of his games every season will be on national TV, and how many other schools can you say that about? Maybe three -- Kentucky, Kansas and North Carolina -- or four, if you count UCLA when it's doing well. But even then, there is something special in the minds of many about Duke. If the only criterion of success in the NBA is winning a championship each season, then more than 90 percent of the players in the league do not succeed every year. Aren't 13- or 14-year careers like Danny Ferry or Christian Laettner successes? And what about the new contracts of Elton Brand and Corey Maggette? Tens of millions of dollars. Isn't that NBA success? And what about the enormous upside and potential of players like Shane Battier and Carlos Boozer?


    *end of rant*
    President of the Devils Den
    (2009 Pre-Season NIT Champs/2010 ACC Co Reg Season/ACC Tournament/South Regional Champs/National Champs)

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    • hotadef
      Rookie
      • May 2004
      • 280

      #92
      Re: Bulls had the best draft....

      i dont care what league your college or pro. There is a extreme problem with everyone talking about the athlete that can cross over but cant shoot. Every saying get him he is a beast he can work on his shot. If that the case why do people stay shooting 50-60 from the line and they practice on it everyday. Some people can improve there shooting. But why not get players with range already. I want more pure shooter than scores on my team. if you can shoot and maybe not as athletic but you play d i want you on my team. you see my 50%fg shooter will get me 20 point on 10 shots or less if he is fouled. while the athletic players with there 38% shooting will get me my 20 but it will take more shots and may mess up the flow of the game.

      the bulls did the right thing for once. Now since deng is there can the actually give e rob a chance. He shoot the midrange jumper at about 50%. And on the plus side he is athletic.

      REBOUNDS PER GAME
      YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
      99-00 CHA 67 8 16.6 .549 .000 .734 .80 1.90 2.70 .5 .72 .37 .58 1.00 7.0
      00-01 CHA 67 6 17.9 .531 .500 .727 .90 2.10 3.00 .9 .75 .48 .64 1.00 7.4
      01-02 CHI 29 12 22.5 .453 .400 .750 .80 1.90 2.70 1.3 .79 .38 1.24 1.20 9.0
      02-03 CHI 64 18 21.2 .492 .214 .810 1.20 1.90 3.10 1.0 .97 .20 .81 1.90 5.7
      03-04 CHI 51 4 20.1 .482 .200 .651 .50 1.50 2.00 1.1 .65 .20 .88 1.10 6.7
      Career 278 48 19.2 .507 .250 .739 .90 1.90 2.70 .9 .78 .33 .77 1.20 7.0
      Playoff 14 0 16.9 .500 .333 1.000 .70 1.90 2.60 .9 .43 .36 .43 1.00 5.
      he shoots 50% for his career split the minutes between him deng and we have a 4 man back court if the sign crawford back. i think i will take duhon over pargo. so duhon gordan hinrinch and crawford. i want gordan to come of the bench for his scoring. deng should start e rob should be on the floor with gordan.

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      • hotadef
        Rookie
        • May 2004
        • 280

        #93
        Re: Bulls had the best draft....

        i dont care what league your college or pro. There is a extreme problem with everyone talking about the athlete that can cross over but cant shoot. Every saying get him he is a beast he can work on his shot. If that the case why do people stay shooting 50-60 from the line and they practice on it everyday. Some people can improve there shooting. But why not get players with range already. I want more pure shooter than scores on my team. if you can shoot and maybe not as athletic but you play d i want you on my team. you see my 50%fg shooter will get me 20 point on 10 shots or less if he is fouled. while the athletic players with there 38% shooting will get me my 20 but it will take more shots and may mess up the flow of the game.

        the bulls did the right thing for once. Now since deng is there can the actually give e rob a chance. He shoot the midrange jumper at about 50%. And on the plus side he is athletic.

        REBOUNDS PER GAME
        YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
        99-00 CHA 67 8 16.6 .549 .000 .734 .80 1.90 2.70 .5 .72 .37 .58 1.00 7.0
        00-01 CHA 67 6 17.9 .531 .500 .727 .90 2.10 3.00 .9 .75 .48 .64 1.00 7.4
        01-02 CHI 29 12 22.5 .453 .400 .750 .80 1.90 2.70 1.3 .79 .38 1.24 1.20 9.0
        02-03 CHI 64 18 21.2 .492 .214 .810 1.20 1.90 3.10 1.0 .97 .20 .81 1.90 5.7
        03-04 CHI 51 4 20.1 .482 .200 .651 .50 1.50 2.00 1.1 .65 .20 .88 1.10 6.7
        Career 278 48 19.2 .507 .250 .739 .90 1.90 2.70 .9 .78 .33 .77 1.20 7.0
        Playoff 14 0 16.9 .500 .333 1.000 .70 1.90 2.60 .9 .43 .36 .43 1.00 5.
        he shoots 50% for his career split the minutes between him deng and we have a 4 man back court if the sign crawford back. i think i will take duhon over pargo. so duhon gordan hinrinch and crawford. i want gordan to come of the bench for his scoring. deng should start e rob should be on the floor with gordan.

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        • hotadef
          Rookie
          • May 2004
          • 280

          #94
          Re: Bulls had the best draft....

          i dont care what league your college or pro. There is a extreme problem with everyone talking about the athlete that can cross over but cant shoot. Every saying get him he is a beast he can work on his shot. If that the case why do people stay shooting 50-60 from the line and they practice on it everyday. Some people can improve there shooting. But why not get players with range already. I want more pure shooter than scores on my team. if you can shoot and maybe not as athletic but you play d i want you on my team. you see my 50%fg shooter will get me 20 point on 10 shots or less if he is fouled. while the athletic players with there 38% shooting will get me my 20 but it will take more shots and may mess up the flow of the game.

          the bulls did the right thing for once. Now since deng is there can the actually give e rob a chance. He shoot the midrange jumper at about 50%. And on the plus side he is athletic.

          REBOUNDS PER GAME
          YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
          99-00 CHA 67 8 16.6 .549 .000 .734 .80 1.90 2.70 .5 .72 .37 .58 1.00 7.0
          00-01 CHA 67 6 17.9 .531 .500 .727 .90 2.10 3.00 .9 .75 .48 .64 1.00 7.4
          01-02 CHI 29 12 22.5 .453 .400 .750 .80 1.90 2.70 1.3 .79 .38 1.24 1.20 9.0
          02-03 CHI 64 18 21.2 .492 .214 .810 1.20 1.90 3.10 1.0 .97 .20 .81 1.90 5.7
          03-04 CHI 51 4 20.1 .482 .200 .651 .50 1.50 2.00 1.1 .65 .20 .88 1.10 6.7
          Career 278 48 19.2 .507 .250 .739 .90 1.90 2.70 .9 .78 .33 .77 1.20 7.0
          Playoff 14 0 16.9 .500 .333 1.000 .70 1.90 2.60 .9 .43 .36 .43 1.00 5.
          he shoots 50% for his career split the minutes between him deng and we have a 4 man back court if the sign crawford back. i think i will take duhon over pargo. so duhon gordan hinrinch and crawford. i want gordan to come of the bench for his scoring. deng should start e rob should be on the floor with gordan.

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          • jordan0386
            Banned
            • May 2003
            • 9235

            #95
            Re: Bulls had the best draft....

            so...what the title of this thread is saying is the bulls will be picking 14th or 15th next yr


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            • jordan0386
              Banned
              • May 2003
              • 9235

              #96
              Re: Bulls had the best draft....

              so...what the title of this thread is saying is the bulls will be picking 14th or 15th next yr


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              • jordan0386
                Banned
                • May 2003
                • 9235

                #97
                Re: Bulls had the best draft....

                so...what the title of this thread is saying is the bulls will be picking 14th or 15th next yr


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                • zappa55
                  Pro
                  • Apr 2003
                  • 743

                  #98
                  Re: Bulls had the best draft....

                  I see that most people never watched Luol Deng play in college. I watched a lot of his games this past year and yes he still has a ways to go but he has a strong work ethic that not many other people in the draft have. He will have a bigger impact on the Bulls then Gordon will. I still think Gordon will help the Bulls out a lot. But Deng won't put up a lot of points early on but he will bet rebounds and play great defense. He will be the steal of the draft as long as he doesn't get into an accident. Chris Duhon will also be a very capable backup and could become a starter eventually.

                  Now trade Crawford, Chandler, Robinson for Paul Pierce or Al Harrington.

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                  • zappa55
                    Pro
                    • Apr 2003
                    • 743

                    #99
                    Re: Bulls had the best draft....

                    I see that most people never watched Luol Deng play in college. I watched a lot of his games this past year and yes he still has a ways to go but he has a strong work ethic that not many other people in the draft have. He will have a bigger impact on the Bulls then Gordon will. I still think Gordon will help the Bulls out a lot. But Deng won't put up a lot of points early on but he will bet rebounds and play great defense. He will be the steal of the draft as long as he doesn't get into an accident. Chris Duhon will also be a very capable backup and could become a starter eventually.

                    Now trade Crawford, Chandler, Robinson for Paul Pierce or Al Harrington.

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                    • zappa55
                      Pro
                      • Apr 2003
                      • 743

                      #100
                      Re: Bulls had the best draft....

                      I see that most people never watched Luol Deng play in college. I watched a lot of his games this past year and yes he still has a ways to go but he has a strong work ethic that not many other people in the draft have. He will have a bigger impact on the Bulls then Gordon will. I still think Gordon will help the Bulls out a lot. But Deng won't put up a lot of points early on but he will bet rebounds and play great defense. He will be the steal of the draft as long as he doesn't get into an accident. Chris Duhon will also be a very capable backup and could become a starter eventually.

                      Now trade Crawford, Chandler, Robinson for Paul Pierce or Al Harrington.

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                      • Fierce2k4
                        Pro
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 533

                        #101
                        Re: Bulls had the best draft....

                        I hate Duke with a passion (tar heel fan ) , but I will admit that Duhon is a SOLID player and is a winner. He has great ball handling skills, plays good D, and is a leader. He probrably wont be a star in the NBA, but I think he will be a nice roll player for the bulls (if they keep him)
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                        • Fierce2k4
                          Pro
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 533

                          #102
                          Re: Bulls had the best draft....

                          I hate Duke with a passion (tar heel fan ) , but I will admit that Duhon is a SOLID player and is a winner. He has great ball handling skills, plays good D, and is a leader. He probrably wont be a star in the NBA, but I think he will be a nice roll player for the bulls (if they keep him)
                          http://twitter.com/shiz86 @Shiz86
                          NFL Team: Dallas Cowboys
                          NBA Team: New York Knicks
                          College Football Team: Florida State Seminoles
                          College Basketball Team: UNC Tar Heels

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                          • Fierce2k4
                            Pro
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 533

                            #103
                            Re: Bulls had the best draft....

                            I hate Duke with a passion (tar heel fan ) , but I will admit that Duhon is a SOLID player and is a winner. He has great ball handling skills, plays good D, and is a leader. He probrably wont be a star in the NBA, but I think he will be a nice roll player for the bulls (if they keep him)
                            http://twitter.com/shiz86 @Shiz86
                            NFL Team: Dallas Cowboys
                            NBA Team: New York Knicks
                            College Football Team: Florida State Seminoles
                            College Basketball Team: UNC Tar Heels

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                            • MartinDihigo
                              MVP
                              • Mar 2004
                              • 1000

                              #104
                              Re: Bulls had the best draft....

                              </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                              zappa55 said:
                              I see that most people never watched Luol Deng play in college. I watched a lot of his games this past year and yes he still has a ways to go but he has a strong work ethic that not many other people in the draft have. He will have a bigger impact on the Bulls then Gordon will. I still think Gordon will help the Bulls out a lot. But Deng won't put up a lot of points early on but he will bet rebounds and play great defense. He will be the steal of the draft as long as he doesn't get into an accident. Chris Duhon will also be a very capable backup and could become a starter eventually.

                              Now trade Crawford, Chandler, Robinson for Paul Pierce or Al Harrington.

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                              i agree defense.
                              He is versatile but i would say mainly at smallforward.

                              He actually has potential to be a very good defender at the smallforward position and altho he has more of an athletic build - he has excellent potential as a rebounder because of his aggressive instincts.

                              Deng has an eye for the ball and the ability to go and get it.

                              I was disapointed to hear Deng go pro. If he stayed at duke , he may have been the #1 or #2 scoringOption. most of the time and on fastbreaks and loose balls. The intensity level , and his athletic/physical dominance over many college players would have alowed him to learn on-the-job , IN GAMES.

                              In the NBA, Deng will be matched or overmatched because of his size and weight many times inside. On the perimeter quicker guards will harass him.

                              Building your confidence a little in college helps. Just getting the muscle memmory of dunking on some fool in the NCAA or executing a perfect Step-back-fadeaway move with a hand in your face never hurt anyone

                              These moments will be fewer and farther between for Deng in the NBA. In college he could have actually tried new things in game situations vs some of the weaker teams. However in Dengs favor he has a strong work ethic and he has a solid support group(has had sponsers for several years now.).

                              Deng has an NBA body , which is funny because his height isn't ideal for his position.
                              He could be an inch and a half taller , but he is athletic enough to offset or surpass his opponent enough of the time to make him interesting.

                              We are all watching to see if Deng will apply his ability to fully developing his offensive game. Cane he turn raw talent into refined skills , and What is Dengs Limit - Is he a 12ppg scorer or a 17ppg scorer ? ? ? ?

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                              • MartinDihigo
                                MVP
                                • Mar 2004
                                • 1000

                                #105
                                Re: Bulls had the best draft....

                                </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                                zappa55 said:
                                I see that most people never watched Luol Deng play in college. I watched a lot of his games this past year and yes he still has a ways to go but he has a strong work ethic that not many other people in the draft have. He will have a bigger impact on the Bulls then Gordon will. I still think Gordon will help the Bulls out a lot. But Deng won't put up a lot of points early on but he will bet rebounds and play great defense. He will be the steal of the draft as long as he doesn't get into an accident. Chris Duhon will also be a very capable backup and could become a starter eventually.

                                Now trade Crawford, Chandler, Robinson for Paul Pierce or Al Harrington.

                                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                                i agree defense.
                                He is versatile but i would say mainly at smallforward.

                                He actually has potential to be a very good defender at the smallforward position and altho he has more of an athletic build - he has excellent potential as a rebounder because of his aggressive instincts.

                                Deng has an eye for the ball and the ability to go and get it.

                                I was disapointed to hear Deng go pro. If he stayed at duke , he may have been the #1 or #2 scoringOption. most of the time and on fastbreaks and loose balls. The intensity level , and his athletic/physical dominance over many college players would have alowed him to learn on-the-job , IN GAMES.

                                In the NBA, Deng will be matched or overmatched because of his size and weight many times inside. On the perimeter quicker guards will harass him.

                                Building your confidence a little in college helps. Just getting the muscle memmory of dunking on some fool in the NCAA or executing a perfect Step-back-fadeaway move with a hand in your face never hurt anyone

                                These moments will be fewer and farther between for Deng in the NBA. In college he could have actually tried new things in game situations vs some of the weaker teams. However in Dengs favor he has a strong work ethic and he has a solid support group(has had sponsers for several years now.).

                                Deng has an NBA body , which is funny because his height isn't ideal for his position.
                                He could be an inch and a half taller , but he is athletic enough to offset or surpass his opponent enough of the time to make him interesting.

                                We are all watching to see if Deng will apply his ability to fully developing his offensive game. Cane he turn raw talent into refined skills , and What is Dengs Limit - Is he a 12ppg scorer or a 17ppg scorer ? ? ? ?

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