Dampier to Knicks???

**AI_Franchise03** · 07-19-2004, 10:26 PM

Re: Dampier to Knicks???

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bigeastbumrush said:
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AI_Franchise03 said:
Knicks fans need to come back to earth, because there's no way we're getting Air-Canada without at least offering Starbury in return. Nobody in their right mind would want Allan Houston's contract...NOBODY. Just wishful thinking, which in fact is becoming more and more pathetic by each post.

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Yeah, as pathetic as trading Kenyon Martin for 3 draft picks.

That's why 3rd teams get involved.

Don't be mad because some of your GMs get suckered into bad deals or clutch their wallets and don't want to make things happen. Don't blame the fans, blame the team management.

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I agree with you when you say that trade was one of the stupidest ever. I don't know what the hell Rod Thorn was thinking, but that was a horrible deal. It becomes even more dumber when you read the details of the trade and find out that all draft picks, but the Nuggets one I believe, are all protected. One draft pick, at least, is protected from 1-8..What the hell is that?! Horrendous deal.

And for the record, I too am a Knicks fan and I'm well pleased of my GM.

P.S. This just came to me, but what if Isiah, if he nabs J-Craw, turns around and involves him in the VC deal, if there ever is one.

**Autoproxy** · 07-19-2004, 10:35 PM

Re: Dampier to Knicks???

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Vinceanity2k3 said:
Mutumbo/Shandon/Frank W/Moochie for Robinson/Crawford/Williams

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the bulls would be better off reaching crawfords contract demands than to take back more bad contracts like Norris and Anderson..Don't they both have like 3 or more years left?

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I don't think the Bulls want Crawford anymore because they drafted Ben Gordon and they don't like him and don't think he's worth what he wants to get paid. So they're looking to move him, and want to move Eddie Robinson's horrible contract. I think Williams also has a fairly bad contract for his talent level, from the Bulls' perspective. Mutumbo and Frank Williams get off the books after this year, and Isiah wants to give up Shandon's bad contract in exchange for the Bulls bad ones. That's why the trade almost got done...it would have been <allegedly> a done deal if the Knicks offered Mutumbo/Othella/Williams/Shandon. Crawford's the best player in the deal, but if the Bulls want to run with Gordon and Hienrich (sp?), then it makes sense not to have Crawford be disruptive.

**Autoproxy** · 07-19-2004, 10:35 PM

Re: Dampier to Knicks???

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Vinceanity2k3 said:
Mutumbo/Shandon/Frank W/Moochie for Robinson/Crawford/Williams

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the bulls would be better off reaching crawfords contract demands than to take back more bad contracts like Norris and Anderson..Don't they both have like 3 or more years left?

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I don't think the Bulls want Crawford anymore because they drafted Ben Gordon and they don't like him and don't think he's worth what he wants to get paid. So they're looking to move him, and want to move Eddie Robinson's horrible contract. I think Williams also has a fairly bad contract for his talent level, from the Bulls' perspective. Mutumbo and Frank Williams get off the books after this year, and Isiah wants to give up Shandon's bad contract in exchange for the Bulls bad ones. That's why the trade almost got done...it would have been <allegedly> a done deal if the Knicks offered Mutumbo/Othella/Williams/Shandon. Crawford's the best player in the deal, but if the Bulls want to run with Gordon and Hienrich (sp?), then it makes sense not to have Crawford be disruptive.

**Autoproxy** · 07-19-2004, 10:35 PM

Re: Dampier to Knicks???

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Vinceanity2k3 said:
Mutumbo/Shandon/Frank W/Moochie for Robinson/Crawford/Williams

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the bulls would be better off reaching crawfords contract demands than to take back more bad contracts like Norris and Anderson..Don't they both have like 3 or more years left?

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I don't think the Bulls want Crawford anymore because they drafted Ben Gordon and they don't like him and don't think he's worth what he wants to get paid. So they're looking to move him, and want to move Eddie Robinson's horrible contract. I think Williams also has a fairly bad contract for his talent level, from the Bulls' perspective. Mutumbo and Frank Williams get off the books after this year, and Isiah wants to give up Shandon's bad contract in exchange for the Bulls bad ones. That's why the trade almost got done...it would have been <allegedly> a done deal if the Knicks offered Mutumbo/Othella/Williams/Shandon. Crawford's the best player in the deal, but if the Bulls want to run with Gordon and Hienrich (sp?), then it makes sense not to have Crawford be disruptive.

**Vince** · 07-19-2004, 10:44 PM

Re: Dampier to Knicks???

Craw may be willing to come back

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As Penny Hardaway's name is the latest to surface in the Jamal Crawford-to-Knicks rumors we've all heard so much about, it looks like the Bulls are preparing Jamal Crawford mentally for the possibility of the exciting guard's return to the team after a messy summer of contract negotiations.

Bulls coach Scott Skiles recently talked to Crawford on the phone according to the Chicago Tribune, telling the Bulls guard a story where he was in a similar situation and returned to the team. The Bulls are hoping that if he returns he'll be able to take the path paved by new Pacer Stephen Jackson and remain professional.

Jackson had a far from satisfying free agent period last year but reaped the benefits of a solid season in Atlanta this offseason.

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**Vince** · 07-19-2004, 10:44 PM

Re: Dampier to Knicks???

Craw may be willing to come back

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As Penny Hardaway's name is the latest to surface in the Jamal Crawford-to-Knicks rumors we've all heard so much about, it looks like the Bulls are preparing Jamal Crawford mentally for the possibility of the exciting guard's return to the team after a messy summer of contract negotiations.

Bulls coach Scott Skiles recently talked to Crawford on the phone according to the Chicago Tribune, telling the Bulls guard a story where he was in a similar situation and returned to the team. The Bulls are hoping that if he returns he'll be able to take the path paved by new Pacer Stephen Jackson and remain professional.

Jackson had a far from satisfying free agent period last year but reaped the benefits of a solid season in Atlanta this offseason.

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**Vince** · 07-19-2004, 10:44 PM

Re: Dampier to Knicks???

Craw may be willing to come back

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As Penny Hardaway's name is the latest to surface in the Jamal Crawford-to-Knicks rumors we've all heard so much about, it looks like the Bulls are preparing Jamal Crawford mentally for the possibility of the exciting guard's return to the team after a messy summer of contract negotiations.

Bulls coach Scott Skiles recently talked to Crawford on the phone according to the Chicago Tribune, telling the Bulls guard a story where he was in a similar situation and returned to the team. The Bulls are hoping that if he returns he'll be able to take the path paved by new Pacer Stephen Jackson and remain professional.

Jackson had a far from satisfying free agent period last year but reaped the benefits of a solid season in Atlanta this offseason.

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**bigeastbumrush** · 07-19-2004, 10:51 PM

Re: Dampier to Knicks???

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Vinceanity2k3 said:
Outside of a healthy Vince Carter, that's nothing but a CBA team with a budget.

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LOL

Should I pull out the Knicks roster and there plethora of overpaud bums and scrubs?

Deke
Othella
Shandon Anderson
Moochie Norris
Demarr Johnson
Penny(isn't he still on that Max deal?)
Frank Williams

If you compare the Starters

Alston/Alvin Williams<Steph
VC>Houston
Rose>TT(Rose,Point forward great passer ball handler,better defender)
Bosh>Nazr(Bosh better on O,solid on d)
Marshall=KT

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Weren't the Raptors trying to deal for Mutumbo while he was still with New Jersey?

That's besides the point. Name ONE player above that Isaiah signed besides DeMarr's extended 10-day contracts???

Overpaid bums.

Where's the startling revelation in saying that? We all know this. It's that you're so caught up in your team, that you don't realize the dire situation that you're in.

That starting 5 comparison is a joke. It's not even close.

Keep believing that the Raptors are making the playoffs. They won't make the playoffs for the next 5 years man. That's real talk.

If you think that the Raps will get equal value for VC, you're kidding yourself. He'll be dealt for whoever Isaiah wants to give them.

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Marshall=KT

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**bigeastbumrush** · 07-19-2004, 10:51 PM

Re: Dampier to Knicks???

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Vinceanity2k3 said:
Outside of a healthy Vince Carter, that's nothing but a CBA team with a budget.

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LOL

Should I pull out the Knicks roster and there plethora of overpaud bums and scrubs?

Deke
Othella
Shandon Anderson
Moochie Norris
Demarr Johnson
Penny(isn't he still on that Max deal?)
Frank Williams

If you compare the Starters

Alston/Alvin Williams<Steph
VC>Houston
Rose>TT(Rose,Point forward great passer ball handler,better defender)
Bosh>Nazr(Bosh better on O,solid on d)
Marshall=KT

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Weren't the Raptors trying to deal for Mutumbo while he was still with New Jersey?

That's besides the point. Name ONE player above that Isaiah signed besides DeMarr's extended 10-day contracts???

Overpaid bums.

Where's the startling revelation in saying that? We all know this. It's that you're so caught up in your team, that you don't realize the dire situation that you're in.

That starting 5 comparison is a joke. It's not even close.

Keep believing that the Raptors are making the playoffs. They won't make the playoffs for the next 5 years man. That's real talk.

If you think that the Raps will get equal value for VC, you're kidding yourself. He'll be dealt for whoever Isaiah wants to give them.

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Marshall=KT

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**bigeastbumrush** · 07-19-2004, 10:51 PM

Re: Dampier to Knicks???

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Vinceanity2k3 said:
Outside of a healthy Vince Carter, that's nothing but a CBA team with a budget.

/////////

LOL

Should I pull out the Knicks roster and there plethora of overpaud bums and scrubs?

Deke
Othella
Shandon Anderson
Moochie Norris
Demarr Johnson
Penny(isn't he still on that Max deal?)
Frank Williams

If you compare the Starters

Alston/Alvin Williams<Steph
VC>Houston
Rose>TT(Rose,Point forward great passer ball handler,better defender)
Bosh>Nazr(Bosh better on O,solid on d)
Marshall=KT

<hr /></blockquote>

Weren't the Raptors trying to deal for Mutumbo while he was still with New Jersey?

That's besides the point. Name ONE player above that Isaiah signed besides DeMarr's extended 10-day contracts???

Overpaid bums.

Where's the startling revelation in saying that? We all know this. It's that you're so caught up in your team, that you don't realize the dire situation that you're in.

That starting 5 comparison is a joke. It's not even close.

Keep believing that the Raptors are making the playoffs. They won't make the playoffs for the next 5 years man. That's real talk.

If you think that the Raps will get equal value for VC, you're kidding yourself. He'll be dealt for whoever Isaiah wants to give them.

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Marshall=KT

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**fsquid** · 07-19-2004, 11:06 PM

Re: Dampier to Knicks???

I can't believe a Raptors fan is talking smack about the Knicks, this is hilarious.

Fine, you want to go the "my player got injured route". Houston was out 32 games last year. that's 20 points a game right there. Without him, the Knicks still were a 7th seed. The team can only go anywhere but up once they get a training camp together. Add in Dampier and all of the sudden, this team might actually rebound.

The Knicks might have a bunch of overpaid players, but they will be playing playoff basketball next season while the Raptors will be watching from their living room. Better hope the NHL doesn't go on strike or it will be a long spring for you guys.

**fsquid** · 07-19-2004, 11:06 PM

Re: Dampier to Knicks???

I can't believe a Raptors fan is talking smack about the Knicks, this is hilarious.

Fine, you want to go the "my player got injured route". Houston was out 32 games last year. that's 20 points a game right there. Without him, the Knicks still were a 7th seed. The team can only go anywhere but up once they get a training camp together. Add in Dampier and all of the sudden, this team might actually rebound.

The Knicks might have a bunch of overpaid players, but they will be playing playoff basketball next season while the Raptors will be watching from their living room. Better hope the NHL doesn't go on strike or it will be a long spring for you guys.

**fsquid** · 07-19-2004, 11:06 PM

Re: Dampier to Knicks???

I can't believe a Raptors fan is talking smack about the Knicks, this is hilarious.

Fine, you want to go the "my player got injured route". Houston was out 32 games last year. that's 20 points a game right there. Without him, the Knicks still were a 7th seed. The team can only go anywhere but up once they get a training camp together. Add in Dampier and all of the sudden, this team might actually rebound.

The Knicks might have a bunch of overpaid players, but they will be playing playoff basketball next season while the Raptors will be watching from their living room. Better hope the NHL doesn't go on strike or it will be a long spring for you guys.

**Vince** · 07-20-2004, 06:00 AM

Re: Dampier to Knicks???

"Weren't the Raptors trying to deal for Mutumbo while he was still with New Jersey?"

Old Management man...

"That's besides the point. Name ONE player above that Isaiah signed besides DeMarr's extended 10-day contracts???"

Uhh same can be said for the Raptors then when GG was there..You know we got a new GM too you know...

"That starting 5 comparison is a joke. It's not even close."

Yes,i'm sorry i forgot it's the Knicks..They are the center of the universe...

Shandon Anderson>VC

"If you think that the Raps will get equal value for VC, you're kidding yourself. He'll be dealt for whoever Isaiah wants to give them. "

Yes because they are the Knicks and the whole league revolves around them..Every GM cares so much about them that they're willign to trade their star players for overpaid bums like Shandon Anderson...Please

..You've been reading too much of the NYpost...Good lord the deals that they make up or so ********...Like i said before they do this for every team...Yanks,Rangers,Knicks...

"The Knicks might have a bunch of overpaid players, but they will be playing playoff basketball next season while the Raptors will be watching from their living room. Better hope the NHL doesn't go on strike or it will be a long spring for you guys."

Wait till the season starts and see who teams might be getting before making bold statements like that...

**Vince** · 07-20-2004, 06:00 AM

Re: Dampier to Knicks???

"Weren't the Raptors trying to deal for Mutumbo while he was still with New Jersey?"

Old Management man...

"That's besides the point. Name ONE player above that Isaiah signed besides DeMarr's extended 10-day contracts???"

Uhh same can be said for the Raptors then when GG was there..You know we got a new GM too you know...

"That starting 5 comparison is a joke. It's not even close."

Yes,i'm sorry i forgot it's the Knicks..They are the center of the universe...

Shandon Anderson>VC

"If you think that the Raps will get equal value for VC, you're kidding yourself. He'll be dealt for whoever Isaiah wants to give them. "

Yes because they are the Knicks and the whole league revolves around them..Every GM cares so much about them that they're willign to trade their star players for overpaid bums like Shandon Anderson...Please

..You've been reading too much of the NYpost...Good lord the deals that they make up or so ********...Like i said before they do this for every team...Yanks,Rangers,Knicks...

"The Knicks might have a bunch of overpaid players, but they will be playing playoff basketball next season while the Raptors will be watching from their living room. Better hope the NHL doesn't go on strike or it will be a long spring for you guys."

Wait till the season starts and see who teams might be getting before making bold statements like that...

Dampier to Knicks???

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